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[Ryzaki]

Ugh the whining about the bi LIs taking up screentime is gonna be even more annoying.

[bleetman]

Abispa wrote...

But really, how hard would you have to metagame to truly have a horrible save?

If the intention is to get as many people killed as possible but for Shepard to survive, I can't imagine anyone getting that result by accident. Aside form skipping every loyalty mission, it does require a fair amount of arranged deaths to pull off. Not necessarily picking the wrong people for the job, but doing so alongside taking those characters who are able to survive regardless of their loyalty and getting them carried away by robotic bees.

Which I imagine was entirely the point, if everyone/the majority are getting fairly significant face time in Mass Effect 3.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 juillet 2011 - 10:52 .

[Ryzaki]

According to statistics only about 50% of people fully upgraded the ship and on average 14% of squadmates die during the SM run. 

So yeah...you don't really have to be deliberate. You just have to be rushing. I could see someone being likely to do the DR right after the CS mission and then end up triggering the crew being captured and rush after them with alot of loyalty mission and recruitment not being done. It's not that big a stretch. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2011 - 10:55 .

[Jimmy Fury]

lightsnow13 wrote...
So what would the point of ME squddie be then?

huh?
I meant that ME3 Ash will probably be more specialized than ME Ash. 

Abispa wrote....
But really, how hard would you have to metagame to truly have a horrible save?

Speed runs and disinterested 13 year olds who thought there might be more alien butt-shots and sideboob maybe?
Didn't the meta data say some significant percentage of players never bothered to even finish? (or was that da:o?)
If that's the case I wouldn't be at all surprised that people just blew through the game and didn't bother to do any sidework to ensure the party survives.
BUT that might also be why Bioware decided to include s/s romances this time. Gaider explained quite well why Bioware might not include s/s romances when that was still a fear for DA2. The minority option just isn't cost effective and the money instead gets used to provide the majority with more options.
But then if the numbers come back and it turns out the majority didn't even bother playing any romances then that stops being cost effective. If you know your entire romance audience is already a minority of players then including the minority option becomes more logical.

All speculation of course. Just trying to stay on topic

[King Gigglez]

Ryzaki wrote...

According to statistics only about 50% of people fully upgraded the ship and on average 14% of squadmates die during the SM run. 

So yeah...you don't really have to be deliberate. You just have to be rushing. 

 Where did you find these statistics? 

[bleetman]

Ryzaki wrote...

According to statistics only about 50% of people fully upgraded the ship and on average 14% of squadmates die during the SM run. 

So yeah...you don't really have to be deliberate. You just have to be rushing. I could see someone being likely to do the DR right after the CS mission and then end up triggering the crew being captured and rush after them with alot of loyalty mission and recruitment not being done. It's not that big a stretch. 

I'd fully expect The Masses to lose a few people along the way. I certainly can't blame them for not bothering with upgrading their ships fully. Mining, urgh. Losing as many people as possible without Shepard dying as well (meaning one survivor, and allowing the save to be imported) takes a bit more calculated work, however.

Still, I suppose. Can you actually set off on the suicide mission without recruiting everyone, out of interest? I've never tried.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 juillet 2011 - 10:59 .

[Ryzaki]

King Gigglez wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

According to statistics only about 50% of people fully upgraded the ship and on average 14% of squadmates die during the SM run. 

So yeah...you don't really have to be deliberate. You just have to be rushing. 

 Where did you find these statistics? 

Here. 

bleetman wrote...
I'd fully expect The Masses to lose a few people along the way. I certainly can't blame them for not bothering with upgrading their ships fully. Mining, urgh. Losing as many people as possible without Shepard dying as well (meaning one survivor, and allowing the save to be imported) takes a bit more calculated work, however.

Still, I suppose. Can you actually set off on the suicide mission without recruiting everyone, out of interest? I've never tried.

True and since the masses will be the majority of players they need new people. 

Yes you can. I believe you need at least 7 people but that's it. (or it might be 9 forgot which). 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2011 - 11:03 .

[King Gigglez]

Ryzaki wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

According to statistics only about 50% of people fully upgraded the ship and on average 14% of squadmates die during the SM run. 

So yeah...you don't really have to be deliberate. You just have to be rushing. 

 Where did you find these statistics? 

Here. 

My longest play through is 58 hours 

[Jimmy Fury]

Ryzaki wrote...

bleetman wrote...
Still, I suppose. Can you actually set off on the suicide mission without recruiting everyone, out of interest? I've never tried.

Yes you can. I believe you need at least 7 people but that's it. (or it might be 9 forgot which).

Let's see:
12- Zaeed and Kasumi=10
Leave Grunt in his tank = 9
Sell Legion (WTF!?)=8
erm.... I think that covers everyone who you can go in without... did I miss anyone?

-edit- fixed, sorry deleted the wrong line.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 16 juillet 2011 - 11:19 .

[King Gigglez]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...
Still, I suppose. Can you actually set off on the suicide mission without recruiting everyone, out of interest? I've never tried.

Yes you can. I believe you need at least 7 people but that's it. (or it might be 9 forgot which).

Let's see:
12- Zaeed and Kasumi=10
Leave Grunt in his tank = 9
Sell Legion (WTF!?)=8
erm.... I think that covers everyone who you can go in without... did I miss anyone?

 I never asked that 

[Finis Valorum]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...
Still, I suppose. Can you actually set off on the suicide mission without recruiting everyone, out of interest? I've never tried.

Yes you can. I believe you need at least 7 people but that's it. (or it might be 9 forgot which).

Let's see:
12- Zaeed and Kasumi=10
Leave Grunt in his tank = 9
Sell Legion (WTF!?)=8
erm.... I think that covers everyone who you can go in without... did I miss anyone?

You can go in without recruiting two out of Thane, Samara and Tali since you only need one of them to be able to trigger the suicide mission.

But since everyone is apparently getting a "previously on Mass Effect comic" with ME3 those statistics don't matter all that much and the only reason they really need new characters is either plot or marketing neccessity and let's just say I firmly believe Vega falls into the latter category.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 16 juillet 2011 - 11:25 .

[Stardusk78]

Vega looks incredibly gay, he is obviously the gay love interest...or at least bisexual.

[AngelicMachinery]

Stardusk78 wrote...

Vega looks incredibly gay, he is obviously the gay love interest...or at least bisexual.

Oh you and your stereotyping, so cute.

[Ryzaki]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
Let's see:
12- Zaeed and Kasumi=10
Leave Grunt in his tank = 9
Sell Legion (WTF!?)=8
erm.... I think that covers everyone who you can go in without... did I miss anyone?

-edit- fixed, sorry deleted the wrong line.

 

I don't understand how anyone can sell Legion.   

I'm gonna see if I can go without recruting Thane/Samara/Tali. I have Kasumi and Zaeed already. And Grunt's out of the tank. 

Finis Valorum wrote...
You can go in without recruiting two out of Thane, Samara and Tali since you only need one of them to be able to trigger the suicide mission.

But since everyone is apparently getting a "previously on Mass Effect comic" with ME3 those statistics don't matter all that much and the only reason they really need new characters is either plot or marketing neccessity and let's just say I firmly believe Vega falls into the latter category.

Right so the people who are gonna import their games don't matter? The comic only plays if you *don't* import. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 16 juillet 2011 - 11:26 .

[Stardusk78]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Vega looks incredibly gay, he is obviously the gay love interest...or at least bisexual.

Oh you and your stereotyping, so cute.

There are very few gay men that are indistinguisable from straight men, Most are very obvious.

[King Gigglez]

Stardusk78 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Vega looks incredibly gay, he is obviously the gay love interest...or at least bisexual.

Oh you and your stereotyping, so cute.

There are very few gay men that are indistinguisable from straight men, Most are very obvious.

That is actually not true... Someone needs to take a look into Society again

[lietk12]

Stardusk78 wrote...
There are very few gay men that are indistinguisable from straight men, Most are very obvious.

Someone needs to stop playing games and hanging out on forums to take some time to know what people are actually like.

Oops, burned myself.

[Stardusk78]

King Gigglez wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Vega looks incredibly gay, he is obviously the gay love interest...or at least bisexual.

Oh you and your stereotyping, so cute.

There are very few gay men that are indistinguisable from straight men, Most are very obvious.

That is actually not true... Someone needs to take a look into Society again

I have been studying society for a long time and I can identify a gay man virtually flawlessly. There might be exceptions but I have never encountered any,

[Finis Valorum]

Ryzaki wrote...

Right so the people who are gonna import their games don't matter? The comic only plays if you *don't* import. 

Well If you're going to insist on importing a savegame with the minimum number of people alive and all the worst choices made I daresay the consequences should be yours, view it as a challenge that adds replay value if you must. In fact I plan on importing my totally Renegade FemShep who has done exactly that and I do hope she has a far more difficult task of saving the Galaxy (if it's even still possible) than those characters who made more reasonable and less rushed and hasty decisions.

Edit,

Whatever you do in the previous games or the comic you can never have less than the minimum required two squad mates even without any new characters since You'll always get Liara and either Ashley or Kaidan.
would that leave you much choice, no would it make the game at least slightly harder, probably but it would still ultimately be playable.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 16 juillet 2011 - 11:42 .

[lietk12]

Stardusk78 wrote...

I have been studying society for a long time and I can identify a gay man virtually flawlessly.

Are you able to identify a straight man flawlessly?

[AngelicMachinery]

Stardusk78 wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Vega looks incredibly gay, he is obviously the gay love interest...or at least bisexual.

Oh you and your stereotyping, so cute.

There are very few gay men that are indistinguisable from straight men, Most are very obvious.

That is actually not true... Someone needs to take a look into Society again

I have been studying society for a long time and I can identify a gay man virtually flawlessly. There might be exceptions but I have never encountered any,

Watching Will and Grace doesn't count.

[Stardusk78]

lietk12 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

I have been studying society for a long time and I can identify a gay man virtually flawlessly.

Are you able to identify a straight man flawlessly?

Yes, I have several gay friends who are not flamboyantly so but even they exhibit certain traits that distinguish them from straight men. James Vega might fit into the muscle bear subculture of gay world.

[Stardusk78]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

Vega looks incredibly gay, he is obviously the gay love interest...or at least bisexual.

Oh you and your stereotyping, so cute.

There are very few gay men that are indistinguisable from straight men, Most are very obvious.

That is actually not true... Someone needs to take a look into Society again

I have been studying society for a long time and I can identify a gay man virtually flawlessly. There might be exceptions but I have never encountered any,

Watching Will and Grace doesn't count.

What is Will and Grace?

[AngelicMachinery]

Stardusk78 wrote...

lietk12 wrote...

Stardusk78 wrote...

I have been studying society for a long time and I can identify a gay man virtually flawlessly.

Are you able to identify a straight man flawlessly?

Yes, I have several gay friends who are not flamboyantly so but even they exhibit certain traits that distinguish them from straight men. James Vega might fit into the muscle bear subculture of gay world.

Oh wow,  you totally blew everything there.  Nice try though.