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[shepskisaac]

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I'm wondering if the team will make Jack go s/s after she specifically stated not be that kind of person...

Girls club comment could (and is) be interpreted so differently we can't know. That and she's most likely not a perma-squaddie again, so there won't be time to romance her from scratch

[KawaiiKatie]

IsaacShep wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I'm wondering if the team will make Jack go s/s after she specifically stated not be that kind of person...

Girls club comment could (and is) be interpreted so differently we can't know. That and she's most likely not a perma-squaddie again, so there won't be time to romance her from scratch

You wound me, IsaacShep. I thought we were bros.

Anyway, I read Jack's attitude towards women as "been there, done that," but her lines are completely open to interpretation. If Jack is a same-sex option in ME3, I suspect that Bioware would address the "girls' club" comment in better detail.

[shepskisaac]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
You wound me, IsaacShep. I thought we were bros.

Bros? I thought you were a girl xD

Anyway, I read Jack's comment as "I won't be your toy Shepard".

[Chun Hei]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Kaiser Shepard wrote...

I'm wondering if the team will make Jack go s/s after she specifically stated not be that kind of person...

Girls club comment could (and is) be interpreted so differently we can't know. That and she's most likely not a perma-squaddie again, so there won't be time to romance her from scratch

You wound me, IsaacShep. I thought we were bros.

Anyway, I read Jack's attitude towards women as "been there, done that," but her lines are completely open to interpretation. If Jack is a same-sex option in ME3, I suspect that Bioware would address the "girls' club" comment in better detail.

My conspiracy theory is that Jack was supposed to be bisexual but that the game makers changed their minds because they still did not make a male for gay Shepard yet and did not want to be hypocrits. Then I found out about Kelly and now I am not so sure.

I DO think that the "girls' club" line was her way of saying that she is straight. Abispa said he believed she may have been a minor when she did have sex with women and Jack said herself that the relationships were about others using her an not love. Now that she does not have to sleep around for support she wants to be straight.

EDIT -- I forgot to add that a girl saying she is not in the "girls' club" is a popular "nice" way for a straight girl to turn down a lesbian, bi or hetero-flexible girl in the clubs around Ann Arbor and Royal Oak. We get a lot of Canadians coming in around here but I do not know if any work for Bioware.

I am not sure if she was a minor when she was with the couple she killed but Jack did say the crew of the ship she escaped Cerberus with "used" her. She did not say if they were all men or even aliens. In the game Turians and Batarians have made crude passes at my female Shepard so there is no telling what Jack went through.

So I lean to making Jack "straight" in ME3 but I will not be upset if female Shepard has non-renegade way to win her over. I know male Shepard was allowed to have renegade sex with her but knowing her story makes me think that the renegade male Shepard was a complete bastard and should now have renegade sex with Wrex.

Modifié par Chun Hei, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:45 .

[Chun Hei]

IsaacShep wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...
You wound me, IsaacShep. I thought we were bros.

Bros? I thought you were a girl xD

Anyway, I read Jack's comment as "I won't be your toy Shepard".

Damn KawaiiKatie ruined IsaacShep and my immersion. I am crying now.

[KawaiiKatie]

Chun Hei wrote...

So I lean to making Jack "straight" in ME3 but I will not be upset if female Shepard has non-renegade way to win her over.

Actually, yeah, I can see that happening. Even if Jack prefers men and would never enter a romantic relationship with femShep, I can see Jack allowing Renegade femShep to take advantage of her with meaningless sex. Such a thing has definitely happened with women in Jack's past, and though I doubt that she is eager to repeat it, I can well imagine her being coerced into femShep's bed. Though I would never use it myself, I wouldn't be upset if it was an option in ME3.

Chun Hei wrote...

Damn KawaiiKatie ruined IsaacShep and my immersion. I am crying now.

Oh god, am I a retcon? I NO LONGER HAVE THE WILL TO LIVE!

[SolwayFirth]

Oh, i just hope MaleShepard/Garrus is possible...

[ElitePinecone]

Chun Hei wrote...
I DO think that the "girls' club" line was her way of saying that she is straight. 

I always interpreted that as "I don't want to join a girls' club where we talk about our feelings and paint our nails." 

It fits rather well with her "I'm not a pretty lady" character. 

It'd be nice if we could get some other translations of that line, because it's fairly ambiguous. But personally I don't think she was referring to sexuality or romance. 

[Ryzaki]

Aye nothing else in that conversation had anything to do with sex. Kind of odd she'd bring it up. 

That said the fact that she didn't want to talk to my dude Shep unless he was interested in her romantically made me wanna kick her down a flight of stairs. 

"You wanna screw?" 
"No." 
"You interested in me?" 
"No." 
"You obviously want something from me!" 
"How many times do I have to say no b*tch!" 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 17 juillet 2011 - 08:08 .

[Isaidlunch]

If Garrus can find a female turian attractive I'm sure he can find Male Shepard attractive.

[bleetman]

Kazanth wrote...

If Garrus can find a female turian attractive I'm sure he can find Male Shepard attractive.

From his perspective, we're the strange looking aliens. It's probably more fair to say "if Garrus can find female Shepard attractive", which is somewhat surprising in of itself. I mean, from biological appearance alone, female Turians don't look all that different from male Turians when viewed from a human perspective. They're still very much alien, with a couple of differences that probably wouldn't really indicate gender difference unless we knew to look for it. I imagine the same holds true from the other way around.

Anyway, I'd personally rather they didn't go nuts with adding new characters to the team at this point. I mean, sure, I won't object to it, new characters are always potentially a good thing and all that noise. But it would sort of make me wonder what exactly the point of Mass Effect 2 was if everyone who was introduced there only crops up once or twice for a short appearance. You spend the entire game putting together a kickass team of alien badasses, and then they all leave. What.

But then, I'm both of the opinion that people importing with dead characters should inherently lose out on one thing or another in ME3 (because it would cheapen the impact of their deaths if they were just replaced by Crewman Ability-alike and missed out on nothing whatsoever, and because I'm painfully aware that it's apparently quite popular for people to purposefully kill off characters they don't especially like) and operating under the assumption that permenant/temporary teammates will operate much like in previous games, which apparently isn't the case.

/vaguely related to anything rant

Modifié par bleetman, 17 juillet 2011 - 08:44 .

[ElitePinecone]

bleetman wrote...

But it would sort of make me wonder what exactly the point of Mass Effect 2 was if everyone who was introduced there only crops up once or twice for a short appearance. You spend the entire game putting together a kickass team of alien badasses, and then they all leave. What.

The way I heard it described, it might've been on Twitter, is that all the old characters have some sort of role to play against the Reapers, which generally can't be done while they're with Shepard. 

It's probably code for "Well, we can't deal with the logistical nightmare of trying to integrate combinations of surviving ME2 characters, so we'll make them all cameos". Bioware chose to tie themselves into a narrative straitjacket by allowing every squadmate in ME2 to die; as a result they're extremely limited in how they bring them back, or build plots around them, for ME3.

They were assembled for a very specific purpose of dealing with the Collectors; now that Shepard has had imminent warning of the Reapers' arrival (through the DLC, Arrival) it makes sense that s/he'd dispatch as many of his/her followers as possible to marshall support against the armada. 

But then, I'm both of the opinion that people importing with dead characters should inherently lose out on one thing or another in ME3 (because it would cheapen the impact of their deaths if they were just replaced by Crewman Ability-alike and missed out on nothing whatsoever, and because I'm painfully aware that it's apparently quite popular for people to purposefully kill off characters they don't especially like) and operating under the assumption that permenant/temporary teammates will operate much like in previous games, which apparently isn't the case.

I don't think it's the case that any dead characters will be replaced by Generic Crewman X with the same abilities, which is why I find it more likely that the squad will have new characters but most missions will feature an optional appearance by a former squadmate, if they survived. 

How does this relate to s/s? I'm not sure. 

But I'd tend to think that a significant enough number of new characters will be introduced in ME3 to offer more than just one s/s option for both genders, not to mention the very real possibility that the VS will also be available. 

[shepskisaac]

ME2 characters will appear LOTSB-style + as NPCs in many cutscenes throughout the game, but VS, Vega & Liara (+ yet unrevealed characters) will be the core squad

[Finis Valorum]

IsaacShep wrote...

ME2 characters will appear LOTSB-style + as NPCs in many cutscenes throughout the game, but VS, Vega & Liara (+ yet unrevealed characters) will be the core squad

Yes but  all those cameos and old characters joining for just one mission do take up a not insignificant amount of resources plus the statements we have that the core team will be smaller than in ME2 still leads me to believe we'll have a core team of 6-8 characters at most, of which we already know four, Liara, VS, Vega, New human female lead which leads me to believe that the remaining core team characters aside from the new female lead will most likely be aliens. Adding just one male and one female Alien to the mix of characters we already know would put the core team at six members, the same number as ME1 and most certainly enough to complete the game.
In addition to that I think Tali and Garrus might yet return as permanent squadies (provided they survived Me2 or you make the right choices in the comic), but the possibility of them being suddenly opened up for s/s will be negligible, I think.
We will of course almost certainly get one or two DLC characters in addition to that but my guess is on them not being romance options, but even if one of the DLC characters would turn out to be a sexy, bisexual male Human, there's still the unfortunate implication that I'd have to pay extra money for the nice m/m option and that it will in that case be confined to a totally optional DLC character who will most likely be even less integral to the plot than Vega is.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 17 juillet 2011 - 11:12 .

[jlb524]

Hey all, I made a Jack for FemShep group if you are interesting in supporting such things.

[ElitePinecone]

Finis Valorum wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

ME2 characters will appear LOTSB-style + as NPCs in many cutscenes throughout the game, but VS, Vega & Liara (+ yet unrevealed characters) will be the core squad

Yes but  all those cameos and old characters joining for just one mission do take up a not insignificant amount of resources plus the statements we have that the core team will be smaller than in ME2 still leads me to believe we'll have a core team of 6-8 characters at most, of which we already know four, Liara, VS, Vega, New human female lead which leads me to believe that the remaining core team characters aside from the new female lead will most likely be aliens. Adding just one male and one female Alien to the mix of characters we already know would put the core team at six members, the same number as ME1 and most certainly enough to complete the game.
In addition to that I think Tali and Garrus might yet return as permanent squadies (provided they survived Me2 or you make the right choices in the comic), but the possibility of them being suddenly opened up for s/s will be negligible, I think.
We will of course almost certainly get one or two DLC characters in addition to that but my guess is on them not being romance options, but even if one of the DLC characters would turn out to be a sexy, bisexual male Human, there's still the unfortunate implication that I'd have to pay extra money for the nice m/m option and that it will in that case be confined to a totally optional DLC character who will most likely be even less integral to the plot than Vega is.

Isn't it better to wait and see what Bioware does? Prophesising disappointment isn't exactly helpful. 

[Chun Hei]

Although I do not think of Tali as a great leader I can see her being an admiral in the Flotilla because that is the sort of thing that happens in movies and video games. So I can see her having a MAJOR off screen role even when she is not on a team. The same could be said for Wrex the Krogan king.

I wonder what they will do with Miranda and Jacob? Maybe they will insist on going to Earth to lead a resistance while Shepard is saving the self esteem of his crew out in the galaxy or something?

My Shepard is going to chain Garrus to her bedpost. I do not have any female Shepards left so if Joker is available he is going to have some cockpit sex with one of my three virgin males.

[Jimmy Fury]

Finis Valorum wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

ME2 characters will appear LOTSB-style + as NPCs in many cutscenes throughout the game, but VS, Vega & Liara (+ yet unrevealed characters) will be the core squad

Yes but  all those cameos and old characters joining for just one mission do take up a not insignificant amount of resources plus the statements we have that the core team will be smaller than in ME2 still leads me to believe we'll have a core team of 6-8 characters at most, of which we already know four, Liara, VS, Vega, New human female lead which leads me to believe that the remaining core team characters aside from the new female lead will most likely be aliens. Adding just one male and one female Alien to the mix of characters we already know would put the core team at six members, the same number as ME1 and most certainly enough to complete the game.
In addition to that I think Tali and Garrus might yet return as permanent squadies (provided they survived Me2 or you make the right choices in the comic), but the possibility of them being suddenly opened up for s/s will be negligible, I think.
We will of course almost certainly get one or two DLC characters in addition to that but my guess is on them not being romance options, but even if one of the DLC characters would turn out to be a sexy, bisexual male Human, there's still the unfortunate implication that I'd have to pay extra money for the nice m/m option and that it will in that case be confined to a totally optional DLC character who will most likely be even less integral to the plot than Vega is.

ElitePinecone has a very valid, and wonderfully concise, point though. Including characters that could be dead in any number of combinations would be a logistical nightmare. Given that, I think even Tali and Garrus run the risk of being sideline NPC's.
But then we don't know exactly how much more or less interaction we'll have with non-combat crew members.As I mentioned a few days ago, they were originally planning to have light romances with some of the crew but cut it due to budget constraints.
If we have a smaller squad and fewer romances within it, it could open up the possibility for a couple of crew members to be romancable. Right now we only know of the 2 continuing romances with the VS and Liara. For all we know they could be the only romancable squad members. None of the tweets ever specified squaddies, only new romances. Chakwas, Joker, Ken, Gabby... If any of them are romancable it would qualify as a new romance.

Heck maybe some of the former squaddies get religated to crew. Maybe if they survived Garrus and Tali become Lieutenants on the Normandy. I can see Garrus being put in charge of the weapons systems and Tali being head of engineering.... We're fighting sentient ships this time around afterall, couldn't hurt for the Normandy to keep the both onboard at all times just in case.  If they didn't survive less experienced people take those positions and the Normandy isn't as effective... could be a way to make the end of ME2 determine aspects of difficulty. Who knows. that's the fun right now. Everything is up for speculation.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 17 juillet 2011 - 04:33 .

[bleetman]

Chun Hei wrote...

I wonder what they will do with Miranda and Jacob? Maybe they will insist on going to Earth to lead a resistance while Shepard is saving the self esteem of his crew out in the galaxy or something?

I'd assume they're off trying to figure out why Cerberus are suddenly arming death squads with impenetrable shields and mechanised weapons platforms and hurling them against Shepard during a reaper invasion. Or perhaps why they didn't loan them a couple of each six months ago.

Unless I'm missing some vital, for-some-reason-we-only-explain-this-crap-in-the-comics detail that explains everything. I wish they'd stop doing that.

I'm largely assuming Garrus and Tali are back on a more permenant basis than the others, unless I'm again missing some detail to the contrary. Sure, they might be dead, but I don't imagine their return in ME2 was purely the result of running out of ideas for new characters or the like. They're almost mind numbingly popular.

Not that it matters just yet, I suppose.

Modifié par bleetman, 17 juillet 2011 - 04:52 .

[Chun Hei]

Until we get new info from Bioware all we have is wild speculation.

[ElitePinecone]

Chun Hei wrote...

Until we get new info from Bioware all we have is wild speculation.

Indeed.

As entertaining as this speculation is, and as copiously as our tangents run, I'd much rather have some information, and soon. 

Interminable jostling about the composition of the squad doesn't mean much when we have just about nothing to base it all on. 

[Dhiro]

bleetman wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

I wonder what they will do with Miranda and Jacob? Maybe they will insist on going to Earth to lead a resistance while Shepard is saving the self esteem of his crew out in the galaxy or something?

I'd assume they're off trying to figure out why Cerberus are suddenly arming death squads with impenetrable shields and mechanised weapons platforms and hurling them against Shepard during a reaper invasion. Or perhaps why they didn't loan them a couple of each six months ago.

Unless I'm missing some vital, for-some-reason-we-only-explain-this-crap-in-the-comics detail that explains everything. I wish they'd stop doing that.

God, this. If the content of the comics is so important, it should be in the games.

[ArawnNox]

IsaacShep wrote...

ME2 characters will appear LOTSB-style + as NPCs in many cutscenes throughout the game, but VS, Vega & Liara (+ yet unrevealed characters) will be the core squad

This is my theory as well.
I just hope that those who romanced an ME2 character don't miss out due to this system.

[shepskisaac]

Let's just focus on Kaidan instead then Since we know BW already wrote his gay romance, how do you think they wrote it? Obviously I would expect that if you flirt with Vega, Kaidan will finally be corrected about his wrong assumption that mShep is straight (as he was corrected on his wrong assumption about FemShep being straight when she gets involved with Liara). But what if you don't flirt with Vega?

One thing I thought BW could've written was a question during the trial about Shepard's motives on why did he chose to save Kaidan on Virmire. Obviously, the trial will cover tons of choices in ME1 + ME2 (perhaps THIS will actually be an in-game 'choice-generator' for ME1+ME2 variables instead of a comic?) so I think this could happen. Shep would then have an option to respond he did it for personal reasons a.k.a. "'Cause I've been in love with Alenko! :D" and through that Kaidan would learn about Shep's interest in him.

What do you think? 

[Dhiro]

Or maybe Shepard could just flirt with Kaidan.