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[ElitePinecone]

IsaacShep wrote...

Let's just focus on Kaidan instead then Since we know BW already wrote his gay romance, how do you think they wrote it? Obviously I would expect that if you flirt with Vega, Kaidan will finally be corrected about his wrong assumption that mShep is straight (as he was corrected on his wrong assumption about FemShep being straight when she gets involved with Liara). But what if you don't flirt with Vega?

One thing I thought BW could've written was a question during the trial about Shepard's motives on why did he chose to save Kaidan on Virmire. Obviously, the trial will cover tons of choices in ME1 + ME2 (perhaps THIS will actually be an in-game 'choice-generator' for ME1+ME2 variables instead of a comic?) so I think this could happen. Shep would then have an option to respond he did it for personal reasons a.k.a. "'Cause I've been in love with Alenko! :D" and through that Kaidan would learn about Shep's interest in him.

What do you think? 

I agree that the trial *could* be an in-game choice generator, rather than the comics, if they structured it properly. 

But I'm not a fan of that kind of melodramatic courtroom reveal, honestly. 

If Kaidan is a romance, Shepard should initiate it like s/he always does - by being ridiculously nosy and intrusive on the Normandy, and asking about people's personal lives and life history 

[shepskisaac]

ElitePinecone wrote...
Shepard should initiate it like s/he always does - by being ridiculously nosy and intrusive on the Normandy, and asking about people's personal lives and life history 

LMAO That's an accurate description of Shep, I would run from a person like that as fast as I could if he/she was real xD

[Cathey]

Vega and Kaidan for s/s >.>

Modifié par Cathey, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:23 .

[Jademoon121]

Cathey wrote...

Vega and Kaidan for s/s >.>

This.

I'm still not seeing why there can't be two s/s LIs, especially in ME. Vega is the only squadmate they're making and Kaidan already jumps borders as far as his massive fanbase in concerened along with his VA, so I don't see why this can't happen. If it's either the one of them, there are going to be unhappy people, so why not give the best of both worlds?

Modifié par Jademoon121, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:27 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

IsaacShep wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...
Shepard should initiate it like s/he always does - by being ridiculously nosy and intrusive on the Normandy, and asking about people's personal lives and life history 

LMAO That's an accurate description of Shep, I would run from a person like that as fast as I could if he/she was real xD

I've had this happen! You can't get away from someone like this! That guy would've fallowed me out if I started walking away!

[Finis Valorum]

IsaacShep wrote...

Let's just focus on Kaidan instead then Since we know BW already wrote his gay romance, how do you think they wrote it? Obviously I would expect that if you flirt with Vega, Kaidan will finally be corrected about his wrong assumption that mShep is straight (as he was corrected on his wrong assumption about FemShep being straight when she gets involved with Liara). But what if you don't flirt with Vega?


What do you think? 

If getting Kaidan would require flirting with Vega then that means my MSheps will never be able to get Kaidan (aside from savegame modding), if I must flirt in rather unsubtle ways, I'd rather flirt with Kaidan directly. But if Kaidan must really learn this through circumstance I'd rather they put a bar in game with both male and female dancers (Asari and Drell maybe?), then MShep paying one of the male dancers with Kaidan in tow should be all the proof he needs.

Jademoon121 wrote...

I'm still not seeing why there can't
be two s/s LIs, especially in ME. Vega is the only squadmate they're
making and Kaidan already jumps borders as far as his massive fanbase
in concerened along with his VA, so I don't see why this can't happen.
If it's either the one of them, there are going to be unhappy people,
so why not give the best of both worlds?

Biowares designers may or may not harbour those intentions, but as history shows us any Kaidan (or Ashley, but Kaidan first because f/f is way more hawt especially with Ashleys redesign) s/s content will be the first thing to get cut when the designers run into any sort of time or budget constraints and they always run into those (unless they had really low ambitions for this project to begin with). So even if Kaidans VA recorded some lines for this purpose, I don't think they'll make into the actual game this time around either.
Also Kaidan would be the third s/s Li at best, if there are going to be two, i think that after Vega an Alien s/s Li will get priority over Kaidan.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 17 juillet 2011 - 06:53 .

[Ryzaki]

Dhiro wrote...

Or maybe Shepard could just flirt with Kaidan.

That would be nice. 

If Shepard never flirts Kaidan doesn't bring anything up. 

[ElitePinecone]

Finis Valorum wrote...
Biowares designers may or may not harbour those intentions, but as history shows us any Kaidan (or Ashley, but Kaidan first because f/f is way more hawt especially with Ashleys redesign) s/s content will be the first thing to get cut when the designers run into any sort of time or budget constraints and they always run into those (unless they had really low ambitions for this project to begin with). So even if Kaidans VA recorded some lines for this purpose, I don't think they'll make into the actual game this time around either.
Also Kaidan would be the third s/s Li at best, if there are going to be two, i think that after Vega an Alien s/s Li will get priority over Kaidan.

Isn't this all a little pessimistic? 

It's been confirmed and widely trumpted by Bioware PR for the last two months. I highly doubt Bioware would go back on this particular feature, given that it's been announced for the entire world to see. 

Why are you assuming Vega will be an s/s option? We don't know any details.

Why are you assuming there'll be a new alien LI? We don't know any details. 

tl;dr: We don't know any details yet. 

[ArawnNox]

As I've said before, didn't they extend production time so they could work on the "typically cut" material for this outing of the series? Correct me if I'm wrong, but ME3 was originally slated to come out in late 2011, not early 2012.

[Sshodan]

Personally I'm not a big fan of "Kaiden(Ash)where interested but did not say anything because they did not know that Shep swung that way" Mostly because I'd like to believe that at the time when interstellar travel and cross species romances became norm same sex relationships are considerate normal and not offensive in the least. And people learned to react calmly if someone of the same sex expresses interest even if they are not interested in return. If Kaiden(Ash) have been interested they should have been free to say it without being afraid that Shep will take offense at that.
If they do make Kaiden(Ahs) s/s option I'd prefer an "absence makes the heart grow founder" scenario - where Kaiden(Ahs) did not realize they had feelings for Shep until Shep died. With all that was happening in ME1 it was quite likely that they did not have a lot of time for self searching, and if usually they went for the opposite sex romantically figuring out that they wanted more with Shep may have taken some time.
As for the start - give us an obviously flinty half joke option - with Shep not expecting anything to come of it but clearly expressing that they think of Kaiden(Ahs) as hot, than VS can respond to it unexpectedly seriously saying that they had a lot of time to think these past two years... And so on.

[Finis Valorum]

Jimmy Fury wrote...


But then we don't know exactly how much more or less interaction we'll have with non-combat crew members.As I mentioned a few days ago, they were originally planning to have light romances with some of the crew but cut it due to budget constraints.
If we have a smaller squad and fewer romances within it, it could open up the possibility for a couple of crew members to be romancable. Right now we only know of the 2 continuing romances with the VS and Liara. For all we know they could be the only romancable squad members. None of the tweets ever specified squaddies, only new romances. Chakwas, Joker, Ken, Gabby... If any of them are romancable it would qualify as a new romance.

At this point anyone but Joker and Chakwas would feel like a cheap fling to me though, while the talking heads aboard the Normandy where a nice touch, I never learn enough about say crewman Hawthorne to be able to decide if I would even want to flirt with him much less have that sort of relationship. Also they're going to need a bigger budget for all the cameos and possible continuing romances with Me2 squadies like, Miranda, Jacob and Thane and those will likely have priority over introducing more new Kelly's much less her male equivalents to have a fling with.
Besides it's also like I've said before if all m/m relationships are like the Kelly "romance" they'll really feel like just an afterthought.
Not saying I'd turn Admiral Hackett down if he offered, though any minor characters would have to flirt with my MSheps to begin anything not the other way around.

ArawnNox wrote...

As I've said before, didn't they extend
production time so they could work on the "typically cut" material for
this outing of the series? Correct me if I'm wrong, but ME3 was
originally slated to come out in late 2011, not early 2012.

Yes but the delay was more likely because Microsoft wants Kinect functionality to be implemented on the X360 version and to implement multiplayer functionality.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 17 juillet 2011 - 07:14 .

[ArawnNox]

Sshodan wrote...

Personally I'm not a big fan of "Kaiden(Ash)where interested but did not say anything because they did not know that Shep swung that way" Mostly because I'd like to believe that at the time when interstellar travel and cross species romances became norm same sex relationships are considerate normal and not offensive in the least. And people learned to react calmly if someone of the same sex expresses interest even if they are not interested in return. If Kaiden(Ash) have been interested they should have been free to say it without being afraid that Shep will take offense at that.
If they do make Kaiden(Ahs) s/s option I'd prefer an "absence makes the heart grow founder" scenario - where Kaiden(Ahs) did not realize they had feelings for Shep until Shep died. With all that was happening in ME1 it was quite likely that they did not have a lot of time for self searching, and if usually they went for the opposite sex romantically figuring out that they wanted more with Shep may have taken some time.
As for the start - give us an obviously flinty half joke option - with Shep not expecting anything to come of it but clearly expressing that they think of Kaiden(Ahs) as hot, than VS can respond to it unexpectedly seriously saying that they had a lot of time to think these past two years... And so on.

Having just played Horizon with Ash as the VS and a Femshep, I'm willing to beleive theres some unresolved sexual tension there. I swear, some of Ash's dialogue was delivered in a "on the verge of tears" way. (Bad writing not withstanding)

[Sshodan]

@ ArawnNox
While I usually hate the Horizon scene, I can actually see it being a result of huge amount of confusion - not realizing that you loved the person until you lost them, coming to terms with the fact they are gone, and then them showing up out of the blue can drive one mad

[shepskisaac]

Sshodan wrote...

Personally I'm not a big fan of "Kaiden(Ash)where interested but did not say anything because they did not know that Shep swung that way" Mostly because I'd like to believe that at the time when interstellar travel and cross species romances became norm same sex relationships are considerate normal and not offensive in the least. And people learned to react calmly if someone of the same sex expresses interest even if they are not interested in return. If Kaiden(Ash) have been interested they should have been free to say it without being afraid that Shep will take offense at that.

But this is not about Kaidan fearing same-sex Shep would react badly. It's about the fact that Kaidan thinks Shepard is straight, thus he realizes he has no chance by default with him so would would he both expressing his feeling if he's sure they would not be returned? That's part of the Kaidan-FemShep-Liara triangle scene. Kaidan admits he didn't know FemShep swung that way and makes it clear had he knew he wouldn't even bother with flirting. It's not about being hostile towards a person of the same sex expressing interest, but about not doing something that doesn't (in Kaidan's mind) has a chance of achieving anything.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 juillet 2011 - 07:21 .

[Errol Dnamyx]

And losing a good friend can't cause the same reaction. Obviously.

[shepskisaac]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

And losing a good friend can't cause the same reaction. Obviously.

And you'll obviously tell your friend "uhh ohh losing you was like losing a limb to me!!! Why didn't you call me?!?!"

[Errol Dnamyx]

Does Ashley say that?

I mean you can interpret it this way, if you want to. But it doesn't seem to be such a clear indicator for her repressed homosexual feelings as you make it sound, imo.

Modifié par Errol Dnamyx, 17 juillet 2011 - 07:41 .

[Chun Hei]

One of my BFF told me that OF COURSE Garrus had sex with female Shepard. Female Shepard had killed Wrex, the Rachni Queen, killed that guy who worked for the company that had the Thorian, let the council die, told Jack to kill that crazy man, let Garrus blow up a man's head in a station, let Zaeed burn down the company, made Kasumi delete her boyfriend, sold LEGION, and shoved a merc out a window. Female Shepard is CRAZY.

When Garrus said "I don't want to mess this up!" he was really saying "Please don't kill me!"

She told me that OF COURSE Garrus will have sex with male Shepard. He will have one more game to do even more scary things to make Garrus give in.

[Sshodan]

@ IsaacShep
The "I think he is straight so I better be quite" mentality is a byproduct of people reacting badly or simply being uncomfortable with being an object of a romantic interest by the person of the same gender.
It would never occur to me to "stay quiet" because the person that I like may be gay. Even if he had a boyfriend I'd let him know, because if I'm wrong I don't have anything to loose - he'll say "sorry hon, but I'm gay" and well continue bing friends. But if I don't ask I miss out on the chance to find love in case he is actually bi. I would like to think that in a future the same would be accurate for the same sex couples situation.

@ Errol Dnamyx
It can, but usually we are a bit more balanced about our friends than about LIs. I think that Horizon is a badly written scene where the VS behaves like a loon in general. But love does make people go crazy, so I can give them that... If I tilt my head just right and squint one eye
But in truth it's still just a huge fail form the writers in my opinion.

[Chun Hei]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Does Ashley say that?

I mean you can interpret it this way, if you want to. But it doesn't seem to be a clear indicator for her repressed homosexual feelings as you make it sound, imo.

No, it does not mean Ashley is gay. Gay Ashley fans are just letting you know there are ways to make her bi without it being a "recon" just as Tali being in love with Shepard is not a recon just because she was not available for romance in ME1. Contrary to popular belief the s/s fans are not DEMANDING that EVERYONE MUST be bisexual and even we disagree on who all should be available. Nobody knows yet who and how the s/s romances will be.

[Chun Hei]

@ Sshodan -- I do not think the VS was a "loon" at Horizon. I think s/he was PERFECTLY believable and understandable but Bioware gave Shepard some really stupid lines to explain his/herself. If I was the VS and Shepard tried using those lines on me s/he would get a rifle butt to the face.

[Sshodan]

@ Chun Hei
Let's not argue that point - I think my fingers will fall of if I try to again
To summaries my point of view - I think that any good friend should be mature enough to sit down and listen to both sides of the story and not make any judgment until they do. Being a good friend although mens that whatever your friend have done you do not turn away form them - you may disagree, but you always let them know that if they change their mind you'll be there to help them correct their mistakes. It goes double for a loved one.
VS never for a moment slowed down to consider what Shep may have been trough, never tried to find an explanation for the things that Shep done, even thou VS know Shep to be a person of integrity and a good commander.
I can overlook something like that if a colleague or a confused friend did ti, but I would never tolerate an attitude like that from LI
I understand that other people think differently, but I doubt there is an argument that can change my mind - Horizon is either badly written, or VS is a person that I can never respect, so I prefer to stick with the "badly written" part, since I'm afraid I'll have to deal with VS in ME3 anyway.

[shepskisaac]

Errol Dnamyx wrote...

Does Ashley say that?

I mean you can interpret it this way, if you want to. But it doesn't seem to be such a clear indicator for her repressed homosexual feelings as you make it sound, imo.

No, it's Kaidan's line. Ashley's line is a bit different. It may of course not be such a clear indicator of Kaidan's unspoken feelings for male Shepard, but considering the game established that the only time Kaidan snaps is when he cares alot for someone romantically, I think Horizon shows it clear that unromanced Shep (of both genders) is important to Kaidan on a very deep level

Sshodan wrote...

@ IsaacShep
The "I think he is straight so I better be quite" mentality is a byproduct of people reacting badly or simply being uncomfortable with being an object of a romantic interest by the person of the same gender. It would never occur to me to "stay quiet" because the person that I like may be gay. Even if he had a boyfriend I'd let him know, because if I'm wrong I don't have anything to loose - he'll say "sorry hon, but I'm gay" and well continue bing friends. But if I don't ask I miss out on the chance to find love in case he is actually bi. I would like to think that in a future the same would be accurate for the same sex couples situation.

Understand your point perfectly, but the thing is that it already happened that Kaidan assumed Shep is straight. We already know it so we have to deal with what's already written in ME1. I explain to myself that it's like with handedness. Due to the fact 90% of people are right-handed, it's the general assumption that people you will meet will be right-handed. Being left-handed ain't a bit of a problem for us in the year 2011, but due to the fact it's a small minority it's just the way people act, assuming what they think is the most likely.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 17 juillet 2011 - 08:08 .

[Chun Hei]

@ Sshodan -- The only way I myself could ever take the view that the VS is wrong was if Bioware had created a ME universe where being raised from the dead is no big deal and where Shepard and his crew heard RUMORS of what Cerberus was and is capable of but had not first hand experience. But the VS saw for his/herself what Cerberus is in ME1. In his/her mind and all through ME1 the Alliance was part of the UN and Cerberus was Al Qaeda.

But you are right we should not argue. This is not the thread and WE will have the VS in ME3. And one of my Shepards will be VERY happy to have Kaidan back.

[Ryzaki]

As long as Kaidan doesn't try to move in my Shep's quarters there won't be an issue.

He tries it and someone's getting shot.