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[Cartims]

Siansonea II wrote...

And I just want to say to all of you... asparagus is awesome. Try it lightly grilled, brushed with butter. Yummeh! /offtopic

But it makes your pee smell funny, eww /off topic
 

Modifié par Cartims, 14 juin 2011 - 05:07 .

[mopotter]

diskoh wrote...

To me, the most obvious bisexual squaddie to me isn't really Jack, but Tali.

All the signs of the crush are still there with femShep. All the hints and the overt flirting. The only difference is that when Tali says she'd want to link suits with Shepard, when femShep starts flirting back she gets flustered and drops it. "Tali, are you blushing?!" That doesn't mean she's not interested, just that she was hella embarrassed.

Also, it was probably just overlooked, but as we're all aware if you're in a femShep playthrough in LotSB, Tali's dossier says she looked up the same stuff about human mating and courtship.

Tali surprised me with the bit about the suit link up.  I wouldn't be abel to romance her, because I've always seen her as a sort of younger sister for both of my Shepards, and I liked her with kal'reegar, but I could see it happening.  

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
To you perhaps.

And to many other players. Players connect to other main LI in large part due to the fact they're perma-squaddies. They spent the most time with perma-squaddies, during the most of key events, constant combat and even simple walking around with your LI in the squad. It all adds up to the relationship with the character and creates greater connection.

Ryzaki wrote...
I find "oh I'm totally longing for you after 4 years and decide to act on my feelings at the 11th hour while I was all over your female counterpart like whoa!" to be considerably insignifcant to it's o/s counterpart.

Oh you're back at it again. I'm game.

And I find "oh I'm totally longing for you ManShep! After 4 years I decided to act on my feelings at the 11th hour while I was watching straight porn all that time, taking pictures of Miranda and Jack's arousing catfights and flirting with a feminine AI! Not to mention I'm not even a squad-member and I'm barely a secondary character!" to be considerably insignifcant to it's o/s counterpart

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 juin 2011 - 05:16 .

[Dr.MOHCTP]

diskoh wrote...

To me, the most obvious bisexual squaddie to me isn't really Jack, but Tali.

All the signs of the crush are still there with femShep. All the hints and the overt flirting. The only difference is that when Tali says she'd want to link suits with Shepard, when femShep starts flirting back she gets flustered and drops it. "Tali, are you blushing?!" That doesn't mean she's not interested, just that she was hella embarrassed.

Also, it was probably just overlooked, but as we're all aware if you're in a femShep playthrough in LotSB, Tali's dossier says she looked up the same stuff about human mating and courtship.

it's a fever , and what she wish to link suits with femShep is a sign of trust, she talk about intimacy only with mShep, in case with femShep she tell what she will be a honored to link suits.
in my opinion:
femShep "you by best friend":blush:
mShep "you my best friend, but i love you":wub:
dossier in LotSB appear just after her LM, and a bit confusing, i think it's just a laziness to write something different:bandit:
and even Jack is a bi, she totaly not interested in femShep
my point about S/S Li is simple, keep already exist chars as they are, make S/S for new chars, and make a good finishing of existing relationships.

[jlb524]

bleetman wrote...

I'd be fine with them all becoming available for both genders, myself. I'd agree (to a point) with the sentiment that it could be a bit odd to have them all suddenly available, but I'd rather just ignore that on a playthrough by playthrough basis than insist that someone else's favourite romance just isn't viable tough luck suckers.

It's not as if they'll all be having bi-sexual relations with each other all at once, after all.

I agree.

I tend to ignore that certain squad mates can be romanced and make it in my headcanon that they aren't interested in my PC at all.  That avoids things like, 'half the ship wants my PC because she's so awesome' as I don't really like that...I only like to have possibly a few people interested in my PC (including her inevitable LI choice) and that's it.  This isn't tough to do since most romances are player initiated...no one throws themselves at you (except Liara in ME1, who approaches Shepard first)  As I mentioned, Garrus and Thane just aren't interested in human women in my personal head canon and that includes my Shepard.

Modifié par jlb524, 14 juin 2011 - 05:17 .

[mopotter]

Siansonea II wrote...

And I just want to say to all of you... asparagus is awesome. Try it lightly grilled, brushed with butter. Yummeh! /offtopic

 i usually add a bit of parmesan cheese on top.  One of my favorite veggies.

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...
And to many other players. Players connect to other main LI in large part due to the fact they're perma-squaddies. They spent the most time with perma-squaddies, during the most of key events, constant combat and even simple walking around with your LI in the squad. It all adds up to the relationship with the character and creates greater connection.

Then it could easily be done with a new squaddie. Someone who wouldn't have to throw in a random explanation as to why they were all over o/s Shepard (to the point of jumping down her throat which was extremely irritating. I could use some SPACE damnit) yet extremely distant to the s/s Shepard not even getting past the professional barrier. I don't know about you but if I have a crush on someone I'm gonna be really friendly and try to be friends (as close friends as I can) Kaidan doesn't even try this. 

Oh you're back at it again. I'm game.

And I find "oh I'm totally longing for you ManShep! After 4 years I decided to act on my feelings at the 11th hour while I was watching straight porn all that time, taking pictures of Miranda and Jack's arousing catfights and flirting with a feminine AI! Not to mention I'm not even a squad-member and I'm barely a secondary character!" to be considerably insignifcant to it's o/s counterpart

Except honey bun there is no o/s counterpart in that scenario. It applies for both genders of Shepard. Plus the dude could be new. So yeah not the same. Sorry. Joker doesn't jump all over FemShep and then decide 4 years later that he wants dude Shep too. Oh sorry wasn't your line something about "longing all this time." yeah. Riiight. He was totally longing for my Shepard when he was acting completely professional. 

Also...flirting with EDI?  Good lord I'm sick of hearing that. It's like people didn't bother to play the game and talk to the two of them about it. Also barely a secondary character? LOL 

And yeah "I totally want you dude Shep despite being in love with a female who completely changed my life and got me to see things different and despite me openly admiring the female form (hi Asari and Clora's Den!)  and never mentioning males or flirting with you ever!" two can play that game. 

Also 'not a squad-member!" uh...did you *play* ME1? Kaidan barely got any development at all unless Shep was romancing him (or female). Being a squadmate can only do so much. Not to mention new guy would still have Kaidan beat in that area. Not to mention he's not gonna bust out his feelings at random (new guy not Joker. Joker would be random not as random as Kaidan but still random). 

The best compromise for s/s romance is a new guy. An old character at this point is just...well save Tali (and maybe Garrus) I feel that ship has sailed. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 juin 2011 - 05:47 .

[78stonewobble]

mopotter wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I do find it odd that so many people have said something to the effect that if ME3 makes previously introduced party members bisexual that they will either not buy the game or never by a Bioware game again.

First, let me say that if ME3 is such a flimsy game that a romance options are the deciding factor on whether or not its a good game, the game sucks, period. You + 2 mass murdering buddies (at a time) taking on an invasion of evil, god-like sapient starships with nothing but your wits, machine guns, rocket launchers and some dramatic cut scenes of Joker piloting the Normandy is what I'm going to base my review on.

Everything else is candy. If you don't like that candy, don't try it. It's optional. Having a temper tantrum because somebody else is weeping for joy that s/he can have male Shepard romancing Garrus seems incredibly sad to me.

For the record, I was one of the ones rolling my eyes when I stumbled into discovering that you could romance Tali and Garrus in ME2, but that didn't kill the game for me. In fact, I still enjoyed it very much. If you're a Talimancer, cool, and my girlfriend loves Garrus. *sigh* I was more upset that my "survivor" Shepard didn't have the option of throwing Cerberus personnel out the airlock.

For the most part, this I agree with.  

If they make every member of your team bisexual in ME3 and they all want to have sex with Shepard no matter whether your male or female, I'll still buy the game because i want to see the end of the story.  

I just won't do any of the new ss romances with characters i romanced in previous games, whether it's Jack or Kaidan.  And I'll have to hope they don't mess up any of the romance conversations.  

My personal choice is new SS romance options, not bisexual because I'd like someone who isn't interested in anyone except a same sex romance partner.  That would be far more interesting to me than a bisexual character, though I'll play any new character romance to see what the characters are like and how the story is written.  

I don't like my crew and team members changing from game to game.  I've got more than one female and male Shepard's and for me, I want the NPC's I talk to in ME1 and ME2 as Kate and Mark to act the same in ME3 whether or not I romanced them, but especially if I did romance them.  

And I want friendship options.  Please, i want to be able to talk to them without romancing and I want to be able to tell someone to back off, nicely.  I didn't like the consort just hugging me.  I didn't know her, don't hug strangers. And I'd like some specific romance talk, some flirting.   

Thumbs up for these points. Which I mostly agree with.

Especially that being a friend is romancing annoyance !!!

Heck that annoys me more than any combo of sexual preference cannon ever could.

[shadowreflexion]

octoberfire wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

well my vote is for gay ashley as you can see from below

I totally support Gay Ashley. Ever since the palpable sexual tension in FemShep's "Dismissed, Chief" line, there can be no other!

Concerning this I have three question?
Before you go crazy on it, think about what I wrote.

Ashley is deeply religious. She has convictions and a belief in her faith. If Bioware went against that system they set up to "accommodate" players interest on that matter then she was never who she was written to be. Even though same sex may be an option, I don't think it should hold true for certain characters if a system has been established for them already. She's not repressed and she thinks clearly in what she believes in so which direction would be reasonable for further character development? I mean, to placate a crowd by ignoring what you made a character takes away the strength of the character and frankly it makes something meaningless.

The most important questions are these.
Should Bioware make changes to Ashley's sexuality when they gave her conviction in the finished game?
And if so, does it lessen her and how she was written?

[Zulmoka531]

Careful shadow. Even Ryzaki is getting flamed for posting such an opinion. You've no hope here friend.

[shepskisaac]

Ryzaki wrote...
Then it could easily be done with a new squaddie

But then a new squad member doesn't provide any trilogy experience. That's my point, I'm all for more option. But there has to be one s/s LI that can provide both both the trilogy-spanning and full-squadmate experience. If there're more option, be it with Joker/Anderson, or new character (Vega) additionally then great. More options! But the primary option is the most important.

Ryzaki wrote...
Except honey bun there is no o/s counterpart in that scenario. It applies for both genders of Shepard. Plus the dude could be new. So yeah not the same. Sorry. 

Also 'not a squad-member!" uh...did you *play* ME1? Kaidan barely got any development at al unless Shep was romancing him. Being a squadmate can only do so much. Not to mention new guy would still have Kaidan beat in that area. Not to mention he's not gonna bust out his feelings at random (new guy not Joker. Joker would be random not as random as Kaidan but still sort of random). 

Excepot honey bun o/s counterpart in this scenario doesn't matter. If a guy is straight and doesn't romance anyone, it doesn't mean he's not straight anymore. And I was talking about the scale of o/s romances in general. All main o/s romances that grant Paramour Achievement were with full-time squadmates.

And Kaidan got plenty of developement and already has a very deep connetion with my ManShep. If he didn't he wouldn't make such a scene on Horizon for not calling him. He told me losing me was like losing a limb awww my poor baby

And of course Joker would be much more random than Kaidan, we already know why would Kaidan not reveal his feelings while with Joker it would be only revealed in ME3

So, you're gonna continue this campaign against Kaidan as s/s using arguments from all-s/s-romance opponents just to kiss up to them and raise Joker chances?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 juin 2011 - 05:53 .

[Darkhour]

Erani wrote...

Darkhour wrote...

Criz-Zone wrote...

I liked that Jack implied being lesbian, but wasn't interested in femShep; but I can also understand how some femShep players wouldn't like this if they intended to romance her

She implied she was a in a 3-some with a man and a woman. That doesn't mean she did anything with the other woman.

This made me laugh way too much. :happy::lol:

I take you've never been a a 3-way with two heterosexual women and 1 heterosexual guy.

Or a 3-way with 1 heterosexual woman and 2 heterosexual guys?
 
Perish the thought!!! That's utterly unheard of!!! Clearly 3-ways are a gay only affair because they are so morally bankrupt compared to wholesome straight people.

Modifié par Darkhour, 14 juin 2011 - 06:13 .

[Ryzaki]

IsaacShep wrote...
But then a new squad member doesn't provide any trilogy experience. That's my point, I'm all for more option. But there has to be one s/s LI that can provide both both the trilogy-spanning and full-squadmate experience. If there're more option, be it with Joker/Anderson, or new character (Vega) additionally then great. More options! But the primary option is the most important.

It's too late. No LI is gonna provide a trilogy experience. NONE 

NO LI CAN DO THAT UNLESS THEY REMAKE ME1. 

The only LIs that can provide a "trilogy" experience is the straight romances of Kaidan and Ash and the bi romance of Liara. That's it. If ME2 people can deal with only having their LI featured promintely in 2 games yeah we can deal with an LI in one. 

The primary option should be someone who is always gonna be in the game. New guy, Joker, Anderson, Udina doesn't matter. It should be someone who will *always* be in ME3. Everyone shouldn't *have* to save Kaidan to experience the s/s LI. Screw that. If Kaidan is any sort of option it should be secondary. 

Excepot honey bun o/s counterpart in this scenario doesn't matter. If a guy is straight and doesn't romance anyone, it doesn't mean he's not straight anymore. And I was talking about the scale of o/s romances in general. All main o/s romances that grant Paramour Achievement were with full-time squadmates.

Nope you're right. If Joker's straight he's straight. I might pout but I'll get over it. If Joker was an option for FemShep and the writers said the gay romance subplot "didn't do his character justice." I'd drop it. 

As for the Paramour Achievement. No Really? You mean the devs have to give the paramour achievement tofull squaddies only? I never knew you were on the dev team! 

And Kaidan got plenty of developement and already has a very deep connetion with my ManShep. If he didn't he wouldn't make such a scene on Horizon for not calling him. He told me losing me was like losing a limb awww my poor baby

What development? Oh please I'll wait. Where does his relatioship with Male Shepard change at all? 

Horizon is the same exact script for female and male Shepard. It's because the developers were lazy not because Shepard had some secret longing for Shepard all that time (well any Shepard other than FemShepard) 

And of course Joker would be much more random than Kaidan, we already know why would Kaidan not reveal his feelings while with Joker it would be only revealed in ME3

Uh...no. Joker has plenty of reasoning not to show his feelings towards either Shepard. Kaidan decides it's okay to show his feelings towards Female Shepard but not even give a hint to male SHepard? Not even become friendly with male Shepard?  Really? That's what deep longing means to you? 

So, you're gonna continue this campaign against Kaidan as s/s using arguments from all-s/s-romance opponents just to kiss up to them and raise Joker chances?

Actually if I'm to be honest I don't care if it's Joker. I'd prefer Joker. If it's  Kaidan however I'll cry. Especially since Kaidan has no basis forany friendship let alone romantic relationship in my eyes. It'll feel the most forced and unnatural of all the relationships. Even more so than Tali coming out of nowhere and telling my renedouche who refused to give her the data that she had a crush on him since he was calling her alien, telling her the geth outbreak was all her people's fault and refusing to give her the geth data.  Any male previous squaddmate LI has a stronger basis for a relationship (romantic anyway) than him. (save maybe Jacob...but even he has more of a relationship change than Kaidan does!) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 juin 2011 - 06:13 .

[jlb524]

mopotter wrote...

If they make every member of your team bisexual in ME3 and they all want to have sex with Shepard no matter whether your male or female, I'll still buy the game because i want to see the end of the story.  

I just won't do any of the new ss romances with characters i romanced in previous games, whether it's Jack or Kaidan.  And I'll have to hope they don't mess up any of the romance conversations.  

You don't have to if you don't like it.  Most of these romances are player initiated.  I don't like the idea of Garrus being a romance option for FemShep...so...I just don't do it.

mopotter wrote...

My personal choice is new SS romance options, not bisexual because I'd like someone who isn't interested in anyone except a same sex romance partner.  That would be far more interesting to me than a bisexual character, though I'll play any new character romance to see what the characters are like and how the story is written.  

Why is that more interesting than a bisexual character?  Is it that the character themselves would be more interesting just b/c they are gay and not bisexual?

mopotter wrote...
I don't like my crew and team members changing from game to game.  I've got more than one female and male Shepard's and for me, I want the NPC's I talk to in ME1 and ME2 as Kate and Mark to act the same in ME3 whether or not I romanced them, but especially if I did romance them.  

Do you have a problem with characters changing in general or just with sexuality?

Modifié par jlb524, 14 juin 2011 - 05:56 .

[FKA_Servo]

IsaacShep wrote...

TommyServo wrote...
That's not to say that completely new options, be they existing characters who were formerly unromanceable by anyone or totally new, wouldn't be a great solution too.

It wouldn't be a great solution if the s/s option was either only a new character or a previously unromancable secondary character (like Joker or Anderson). With secondary characters, it would just feel considerably lesser compared to romances with full-time squadmates. Every main LI in the previous games was a perma-squaddie. And if the only s/s option is a new character, then there's zero trilogy experience in that. I'm all for more options, but the s/s option in ME3 can't be restricted solely to a new and/or secondary character. There must be a previous perma-squaddie available for s/s romance with some of the variables and choice flags from the previous incorporated in the romance in ME3. That's the only way to make the s/s romances (particulary m/m ones) at least come close to the full, trilogy-spanning experience straight players got.

I think it could work.

One thing is that this will be inevitable to some extent. It's been confirmed that not all past squaddies will be returning. It seems likely that some of the LIs are included in that statement. That's not to say they won't be present - obviously, they'll need to be available to Shepard and figure into the story in order to finish out the romance - but they just might not be playable. I could see, for example, Tali present on the Normandy and available to finish out the romance even if she's not a playable squadmember.

I know that's a bad example since she's all but been confirmed as returning, but it was just an example. Jacob or Miranda could still hang out on the Normandy performing some vital function or another, and figure prominently in the story as well, without being an active squadmember.

[shadowreflexion]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Careful shadow. Even Ryzaki is getting flamed for posting such an opinion. You've no hope here friend.

Thanks for the heads up. I don't mind getting bombarded with disagreements but as long as the truth is out there and the points can be made without going to an unnecessary extreme then I'm all in for proactive discussion into the matter. Lol

Not trying to make waves but if there's any reason to why I'm wrong then I'd love to hear it. I'm not against SS romance, I just don't think a valuable character's convictions should be sacraficed for it. She is what she is and she has a belief system that runs deep.

[FenrisDeSolar]

I totally support this and I am so happy that we finally have it!

I want pansexual aliens, bisexual Jack, Kaidan and Ashley and one or two completely homosexual LI's. That'd be nice.

[Eternal Dust]

shadowreflexion wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

well my vote is for gay ashley as you can see from below

I totally support Gay Ashley. Ever since the palpable sexual tension in FemShep's "Dismissed, Chief" line, there can be no other!

Concerning this I have three question?
Before you go crazy on it, think about what I wrote.

Ashley is deeply religious. She has convictions and a belief in her faith. If Bioware went against that system they set up to "accommodate" players interest on that matter then she was never who she was written to be. Even though same sex may be an option, I don't think it should hold true for certain characters if a system has been established for them already. She's not repressed and she thinks clearly in what she believes in so which direction would be reasonable for further character development? I mean, to placate a crowd by ignoring what you made a character takes away the strength of the character and frankly it makes something meaningless.

The most important questions are these.
Should Bioware make changes to Ashley's sexuality when they gave her conviction in the finished game?
And if so, does it lessen her and how she was written?

How does religion have any bearing on your sexuality? I had a professor in college who was both Catholic and gay and he was very much a happy man who embraced both his religion and his sexuality. Sorry if the notion is too foreign for you. These two things are not mutually exclusive.

[bleetman]

shadowreflexion wrote...

Ashley is deeply religious.

She's really not, you know.

I get what you're saying about going back on a pre-existing characterisation for the sake of appeasement, I do. However, I'm just more inclined to believe that character change doesn't equate 'going back on the established'. Sexual preference is development, the same as anything else. I don't think anyone here is asking for them to ham-fistedly bludgeon in bi-sexuality for everyone and call it a day. We all want it to be convincingly portrayed and explained in the event that they do make pre-existing characters available for both sexes.

[diskoh]

shadowreflexion wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

rolson00 wrote...

well my vote is for gay ashley as you can see from below

I totally support Gay Ashley. Ever since the palpable sexual tension in FemShep's "Dismissed, Chief" line, there can be no other!

Concerning this I have three question?
Before you go crazy on it, think about what I wrote.

Ashley is deeply religious. She has convictions and a belief in her faith. If Bioware went against that system they set up to "accommodate" players interest on that matter then she was never who she was written to be. Even though same sex may be an option, I don't think it should hold true for certain characters if a system has been established for them already. She's not repressed and she thinks clearly in what she believes in so which direction would be reasonable for further character development? I mean, to placate a crowd by ignoring what you made a character takes away the strength of the character and frankly it makes something meaningless.

The most important questions are these.
Should Bioware make changes to Ashley's sexuality when they gave her conviction in the finished game?
And if so, does it lessen her and how she was written?

Religious people are gay at the same rate as non-religious people. Believing in God does not change who you are attracted to.

[FKA_Servo]

shadowreflexion wrote...

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Careful shadow. Even Ryzaki is getting flamed for posting such an opinion. You've no hope here friend.

Thanks for the heads up. I don't mind getting bombarded with disagreements but as long as the truth is out there and the points can be made without going to an unnecessary extreme then I'm all in for proactive discussion into the matter. Lol

Not trying to make waves but if there's any reason to why I'm wrong then I'd love to hear it. I'm not against SS romance, I just don't think a valuable character's convictions should be sacraficed for it. She is what she is and she has a belief system that runs deep.

I wouldn't call Ashley deeply religious. She professes a vague, dreamy belief in some higher power. I certainly wouldn't cite that as invalidating her as a s/s love interest.

[TheMarshal]

TommyServo wrote...

It's been confirmed that not all past squaddies will be returning.

No, it hasn't.  It's been confirmed that all past squaddies will be returning, but not in what capacity.  We could see some of them having Wrex-style cameos, some might be temporary squaddies, and others might be with the crew full-time.  Casey Hudson also implied that LI's (both new and returning) might not necessarily be squaddies.

[MACharlie1]

There seems to be this preconceived notion that one cannot be religious and bi/homosexual at the same time.

Huh. Must've missed that meeting...

[Darkhour]

Siansonea II wrote...

I do find it significant that she calls the woman by her name (Marana) but just refers to the man as "her boyfriend". Clearly Marana was the person Jack was most attached to, whether romantically or otherwise.

I think you see what you want to see. Jack turns "femshep" down on the basis that she doesn't swing that way. And that is not open to any interpretation.

[Wittand25]

Well if one of the previous LIs becomes an option for both Shepards it will be the VS,
Since other than the ME2 LIs, the ME1 LIs were seperated from Shepard for three or more years, believing him dead most of the time, as far as we know for now.
I believe it will be possible to start a romance with them even if you import a safe game without an ME1 romance, like anyone who used the default ME2 game. Since the LI and Shepard did not spend much time together in ME1 and considering the long time between ME1 and ME3 even continuing the romance will be very similar to starting a new one.
So since a new o/s romance with the VS will likely be possible, it would be rather easy to allow an s/s romance as well.
Of course this leads to the problem that some gay,male Shepards (maybe even the majority) would not have access to this romance arc since Kaidan died on Virmire.
So my personal ideal scenario would be two completely new bisexual LIs (one female one male) and additionally the option to romance the VS regardles of sex.

Modifié par Wittand25, 14 juin 2011 - 06:13 .