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Ryzaki is just mad about all the cool swag Shepard's gonna buy his true love Kaidan with the money he got FROM SELLING LEGION! Bwa ha ha ha!

:o


D: 

*huggles Legion* NEVER! *kicks Kaidan off a cliff* 

Still you really don't get that much money from selling Legion do you? I don't recall getting a lot in my renegade playthrough. Still was more than the 5 Sovereigns I got for selling a character in DA2 though. 

And no it wasn't that meaning of shooting in the face either. :P

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:56 .


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@ Ryzaki Ahem.
Boring? Kaidan? Really? What you just said was simply that if they are not a crazy-physcho loony with major problems, and they are a lost hope to be normal, then they are boring.

Kaidan's personality is not boring. Not to some of us. :P

Modifié par Arxduke, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:58 .


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Nothing has been confirmed about s/s romances besides "There will be s/s romances."

No one knows how many or with whom.


Well, we DO know that the Krogans are off the table for all genders.

:crying:

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More like ignore him only reason I'd kill him is if my Shep's forced to act buddy buddy with him. and B. Horizon.


Just like I want the ability to be able to ignore Vega and not be forced into playing mentor to him, but since Vega's the mandatory tour guide for ME3 we both know that's not likely to happen, in fact I'm betting on there being at least one forced and nonskippable Vega mission near the beginning.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 19 juillet 2011 - 12:59 .


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@ Ryzaki Ahem.
Boring? Really? What you just said was simply that if they are not a crazy-physcho loonies with major problems, and they are a lost hope to be normal, then they are boring. Kaidan is far from dull mister. :P


Different strokes. 

It's not just because he doesnt have major issues. (I tend to be fond of the more stable people). It's just...I don't see anything interesting about him. He's background noise. You don't need to be psychotic to be interesting. Ash doesn't bore me and she's pretty close to stable. 


Finis Valorum wrote...
Just like I want the ability to be able to ignore Vega and not be forced into playing mentor to him, but since Vega's the mandatory tour guide for ME3 we both know that's not likely to happen, in fact I'm betting on there being at least one forced and nonskippable Vega mission near the beginning. 


And there's a chance you might not have to play mentor to Vega. I think the forced Vega mission will probably be like the recruitment/loyalty missions for people in ME3. You probably'll have to save him. (that does tend to be how Shep meets people). Knowing BW you won't even be forced to talk to him beyond the first meeting. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:02 .


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@ Ryzaki Ahem.
Boring? Kaidan? Really? What you just said was simply that if they are not a crazy-physcho loony with major problems, and they are a lost hope to be normal, then they are boring.

Kaidan's personality is not boring. Not to some of us. :P


It's true though. I know a few of my friends like him because he's not messed up like the other characters, but it makes it hard for me to like him personally because the other characters are so much more interesting. That's why Kaiden is much more interesting to me that Jacob too...Kaiden has at least some decent story in his background with his training as a biotic...Jacob has nothing...I mean, absolutely nothing!

Let's me be honest here (and this is just my personal opinion): I don't want to play games where I have to save a galaxy with normal people. LOL.

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FoxHound109 wrote...

Arxduke wrote...

@ Ryzaki Ahem.
Boring? Kaidan? Really? What you just said was simply that if they are not a crazy-physcho loony with major problems, and they are a lost hope to be normal, then they are boring.

Kaidan's personality is not boring. Not to some of us. :P


It's true though. I know a few of my friends like him because he's not messed up like the other characters, but it makes it hard for me to like him personally because the other characters are so much more interesting. That's why Kaiden is much more interesting to me that Jacob too...Kaiden has at least some decent story in his background with his training as a biotic...Jacob has nothing...I mean, absolutely nothing!

Let's me be honest here (and this is just my personal opinion): I don't want to play games where I have to save a galaxy with normal people. LOL.

Personally, I am kind of surprised  that Someone in Shepard's crew mainly Shepard himself hasn't aquired some mental dissorder yet >v< I know I would break after a while...

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oh Hk-47 how I love you... *really needs to get around to beating the KoTOR2 restoration project*


If it's the same one I've got installed, it's totally worth it. The HK-50 factory is priceless.


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Cuddlezarro wrote...

hell with bastila she falls for you regardless of how much of a ass you are too her =/


Yes but that could be explained away because she's psychically connected to you


I never really bought that as an explanation. She is, after all, equally connected with a female character. Which isn't to say "hey, she ought to be a lesbian because of it", particularly. More that I don't see it as a reason for why she's suddenly into a character who leaves flaming orphange wreckage wherever he goes. The whole bond thing can't be that strong, surely.


It's not so much that. Bastila is enormously tempted by the Dark Side all by herself. The whole game isn't Revan's story at all, it's the story of Bastila's fall and possible redemption. She's intrigued by the power from the start, and her continual perpetual nagging about Revan having to stay righteous is the most transparent "the lady doth protest too much" in the history of the Jedi. She's not trying to convince the PC, she's trying to convince herself. It's not at all shocking if she fails, even before you add in Revan's inhuman charisma and the fact that she's psychically linked to the dude.

Carth, on the other hand, has no excuse.

That said, if you manage to dig T3's message-from-Bastila out in KotOR II for Dark Side femRevan it is the slashiest thing in the world oh my GOD, so it's arguable you're not far off on that "she ought to be a lesbian too because of it" thing. :D (I mean, she is in my games anyway, but lolmodder.)

Interesting thing, though, speaking of modding KotOR to romance Bastila as a femRevan:

There's like one line in the whole romance that unavoidably refers to you as male. The rest is completely gender neutral. Modders had a hell of a time with Carth, though, and to my knowledge nobody ever managed to pull off a Carth m/m mod at all, because he's calling you a woman every other line. You jump ahead to Mass Effect, and again, the Ashley romance is near-seamless as a modded femShep, even using all the same lines as dudeShep, while trying to do the Kaidan romance means you'll get called Ma'am the whole game through.

I'm not sure where I'm going with this but it's an interesting trend. Obviously if you look at the characters intended to be bi from the start - Leliana, Zev, the whole DA2 crowd - they're relatively gender-neutral as well, with a few flagged variable lines and an otherwise totally parallel experience.

The claims that they cut s/s romance from ME1 because they couldn't make the deadline due to the need to write a completely different m/m romance for Kaidan seems to suggest that they'd rather do every romance like Carth/Kaidan/Anders, with a distinct path and different feel for each gender. But I really don't think they'll have time for that with ME3, six extra months or no - that's a lot of work, even for just two characters - and you know, looking at the Carth and Anders romances and comparing them to Ashley's, or Fernis', or hell, Morrigan's (which is also gender-neutral enough in dialog to mod well), I kind of think I'm glad for it.

Though I think Isabela's romance might have benefited from more gender specificity, so IDK. Perhaps I'm just rambling for the sake of it? I do do that sometimes.

#5059
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Need some normal people. Or else the aliens would run from our crazy selves. :D And we would drive Shepard insane.

You are all right about Jacob. Holy expressionless. But Kaidan does have very intriguing side. Moreso than Ashley imo.

Modifié par Arxduke, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:05 .


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Ryzaki wrote...

Still you really don't get that much money from selling Legion do you? I don't recall getting a lot in my renegade playthrough.


That's just 'cause Shepard would never put Kaidan's swag money in the general funds!

Okay, that's it. I can't keep this up about Kaidan. He's cool, but Ashley is my personal VS, and thanks to LofSB I was convinced that Liara was worthy of a Shepard, too. Miranda disappointed me so severly that I'm debating between Kelly and Jack, though neither of them really move me either. Samara caught my interest BECAUSE she actually turned down the galaxy's number one swinger. Tali made me feel like a child molester.

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King Gigglez wrote...

Personally, I am kind of surprised  that Someone in Shepard's crew mainly Shepard himself hasn't aquired some mental dissorder yet >v< I know I would break after a while...


Well, mainShep is schizophrenic, but she started that way, so I don't think it counts. :whistle:

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Ryzaki wrote...
 Hell after Horizon I want to shoot him in the face.


Don't you think you're overreacting? What's your sudden issue with Kaidan?

Ryzaki got scared of the nonsense retcon complaints after s/s romances were officially announced 2 months ago and started pushing for Joker since she though anti s/s crowd would be less against him being available for male Shepard. After I called her out on it, she transformed into a hardcore Kaidan hater and now trolls him on every occasion. Of course her version will be totally different and innocent, but if you want the true tea, stick with mine :police:

Modifié par IsaacShep, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:07 .


#5063
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Huh my Sheps have disorders. The paragons are people pleasers and the renegades are psychotic.


IsaacShep wrote...
Ryzaki got scared of the nonsense retcon complaints and started pushing for Joker since she though anti s/s crowd would be less against him being available for male Shepard. After I called her out on it, she transformed into a hardcore Kaidan hater and now trolls him on every occasion. Of course her version will be totally different and innocent, but if you want the true tea, stick with mine :police:


Oh look Issac thinks he can speak for me again. Though I do love how you stick to your BS. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:10 .


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Quething wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

Personally, I am kind of surprised  that Someone in Shepard's crew mainly Shepard himself hasn't aquired some mental dissorder yet >v< I know I would break after a while...


Well, mainShep is schizophrenic, but she started that way, so I don't think it counts. :whistle:


Whoa whoa whoa! Are you saying that YOU don't hear the voices in your head while you're playing? I always complimented the incredible sound system I hooked up to my TV.

:blink:

Modifié par Abispa, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:09 .


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I kind of hope that Bioware does this:

Alenko: Bisexual.
Vega: Exclusively gay.

That's what I hope too but I just know BW won't do exclusive gay LI for male Shep. You know, resources <_<


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Oh look Issac thinks he can speak for me again. Though I do love how you stick to your BS.

I love you too :wub: Admit it, it wouldn't be fun at all if you just trolled on Kaidan and no one noticed your efforts :D

Modifié par IsaacShep, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:10 .


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Ah nevermind not even gonna get sucked in. 

Plus trolling the vitrol spewing VS is amusing. From the sounds of it I'll be able to kill them off in ME3. :wizard:


Abispa wrote...

That's just 'cause Shepard would never put Kaidan's swag money in the general funds!

Okay, that's it. I can't keep this up about Kaidan. He's cool, but Ashley is my personal VS, and thanks to LofSB I was convinced that Liara was worthy of a Shepard, too. Miranda disappointed me so severly that I'm debating between Kelly and Jack, though neither of them really move me either. Samara caught my interest BECAUSE she actually turned down the galaxy's number one swinger. Tali made me feel like a child molester.

 


Sure he wouldn't. :P
LMAO a child molester? She's not that young. :lol: 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:14 .


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Oh look Issac thinks he can speak for me again. Though I do love how you stick to your BS. 


I can't believe that I am the only one to figure out that YOU are in love with the walking, talking vibrator.

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Arxduke wrote...

Need some normal people. Or else the aliens would run from our crazy selves. :D And we would drive Shepard insane.

You are all right about Jacob. Holy expressionless. But Kaidan does have very intriguing side. Moreso than Ashley imo.


I don't know. Ashley turned out to be fascinating, and this coming from someone who loathed her in his first playthrough and was secretly hoping she would get hit by an inter-galactic bus before he even knew that there was an option to off her.

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I can't believe that I am the only one to figure out that YOU are in love with the walking, talking vibrator.


SSHHH

I won't have anyone slandering my love for Legion. :wub: 

Amusingly when people do talk about how they sell up Legion I don't feel the need to make crap up to defend him. Funny how that works eh? 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:17 .


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I have to admit to being amused how much you  need to make **** up defend your pixel crush. It's funny in a sad way. 


Right... so bashing a bunch of pixels will get you oh so very far.

Kaidan has his fans. And whoever the freak you like has you. (Sorry for whoever thay are) So go run along now to the Jack Corner and blabber there?

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Arxduke wrote...
Right... so bashing a bunch of pixels will get you oh so very far.

Kaidan has his fans. And whoever the freak you like has you. (Sorry for whoever thay are) So go run along now to the Jack Corner and blabber there?


No but unlike you I'm not actually making crap up about a real person. It's pixels. They don't feel. They don't care. 

Nah. It's too much fun watching you get riled up. Actually I like pretty much everyone *but* the VS. So...eh. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 01:16 .


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Abispa wrote...

Quething wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

Personally, I am kind of surprised  that Someone in Shepard's crew mainly Shepard himself hasn't aquired some mental dissorder yet >v< I know I would break after a while...


Well, mainShep is schizophrenic, but she started that way, so I don't think it counts. :whistle:


Whoa whoa whoa! Are you saying that YOU don't hear the voices in your head while you're playing? I always complimented the incredible sound system I hooked up to my TV.

:blink:


Imagine how hilarious I found it when ME2 rolled around and everybody was calling Shep "delusional" and "paranoid" about the Reapers. Like, well, frak. I just played right into your hands there, didn't I, BioWare. Turned an interesting character quirk into a major story point about discrimination and crap. :blink:

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FoxHound109 wrote...

Arxduke wrote...

Need some normal people. Or else the aliens would run from our crazy selves. :D And we would drive Shepard insane.

You are all right about Jacob. Holy expressionless. But Kaidan does have very intriguing side. Moreso than Ashley imo.


I don't know. Ashley turned out to be fascinating, and this coming from someone who loathed her in his first playthrough and was secretly hoping she would get hit by an inter-galactic bus before he even knew that there was an option to off her.


LOL :) It is true. Everyone has very unique stories. Some more than others. But Kaidan hit it off with me. :) Every character made was done so to grab the attentions of every personality. Kaidan was mine. :):)

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Ryzaki wrote...
From the sounds of it I'll be able to kill them off in ME3. :wizard:


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IsaacShep wrote...


*snip* 


Will be my reaction when I see him die. <3