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[gamer_girl]

I guess I'll post this here since my topic was locked.

We keep arguing and it's honestly going nowhere. Here's the two opinions:

1)
Having characters heterosexual or stricly lesbian/gay isn't fair to the
player. We need to be given more options so we can make the experience
truly our own. The characters should be bi so we can make the decision
for ourselves.

2) Having every character bi would take away from
the game experience because every character will be approaching Shepard
in a romantic way. That would get really old really fast. Also my
favourite character would be made to be something they clearly aren't.

Possible Solution

Solution
so both sides are happy: Make romances so that they can only be
initiated by the player. If the characters never say anything romantic
and it's only able to start with player consent, then everyone will be
happy. Make all characters with the ability to swing for both teams,
then it's really up to the player to decide if the characters actually
want to go for Shepard or not. In the past, characters began to flirt
with Shepard making their romantic feelings clear from the get go. If
those kind of things were not allowed to happen until the player
(Shepard) made the first move, then there would be no reason to
complain.

Edit: If I didn't articulate how this would work well enough, I apologize.

Basically
they would all start with non romantic dialogue. If Shepard said
something romantic, then the romantic responses would begin, if Shepard
didn't say something romantic, then the romantic responses would never
come up. Make sense?

Modifié par gamer_girl, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:10 .

[Abispa]

Well, it looks like Bioware is finally starting to shut down the other s/s argument threads (unfortunately) AND telling people to come argue in this thread, which we're not allowed to do. AGAIN. I have this mental image of all the dudebros and "immersion" fans lurking in a rage. I may not agree with their stance, but Bioware's "solution" to their s/s arguments is silly.

[Blooddrunk1004]

So you basicly want DA2 but without charachters hiting on you first?
No thx.

[gamer_girl]

Abispa wrote...

Well, it looks like Bioware is finally starting to shut down the other s/s argument threads (unfortunately) AND telling people to come argue in this thread, which we're not allowed to do. AGAIN. I have this mental image of all the dudebros and "immersion" fans lurking in a rage. I may not agree with their stance, but Bioware's "solution" to their s/s arguments is silly.

I swear they didn't even read what we were saying before shutting it down. We didn't say anything offensive nor was I trolling (can only speak for what my intentions were).

[gamer_girl]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

So you basicly want DA2 but without charachters hiting on you first?
No thx.

What's wrong with that? We can't very well do anything else without making certain groups really angry.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:15 .

[FoxHound109]

Abispa wrote...

Well, it looks like Bioware is finally starting to shut down the other s/s argument threads (unfortunately) AND telling people to come argue in this thread, which we're not allowed to do. AGAIN. I have this mental image of all the dudebros and "immersion" fans lurking in a rage. I may not agree with their stance, but Bioware's "solution" to their s/s arguments is silly.

Bioware is probably just sick and tired of it. They probably get one these threads every week and frankly, they don't wanna put up with it anymore because the decision is already made. And just imagine all the constant reports the mods get about the petty insults involved...must not be nice...

Though I agree in a sense. Even if I think they're wrong, they should be allowed to express their opinions until their fingers turn blue...

[Ryzaki]

gamer_girl wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Well, it looks like Bioware is finally starting to shut down the other s/s argument threads (unfortunately) AND telling people to come argue in this thread, which we're not allowed to do. AGAIN. I have this mental image of all the dudebros and "immersion" fans lurking in a rage. I may not agree with their stance, but Bioware's "solution" to their s/s arguments is silly.

I swear they didn't even read what we were saying before shutting it down. We didn't say anything offensive nor was I trolling (can only speak for what my intentions were).

This thread is to debate WHO and HOW s/s romances should be implemented. 

If you don't want s/s romances period it's like debating the Talimance being possible. It's too late now bucko. If I started a thread about how the Talimance shouldn't be in the game I'd expect the devs to lock it as well. Its a pointless thread. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:16 .

[Abispa]

gamer_girl wrote...

I guess I'll post this here since my topic was locked.

We keep arguing and it's honestly going nowhere. Here's the two opinions:

1)
Having characters heterosexual or stricly lesbian/gay isn't fair to the
player. We need to be given more options so we can make the experience
truly our own. The characters should be bi so we can make the decision
for ourselves.

2) Having every character bi would take away from
the game experience because every character will be approaching Shepard
in a romantic way. That would get really old really fast. Also my
favourite character would be made to be something they clearly aren't.

Possible Solution

Solution
so both sides are happy: Make romances so that they can only be
initiated by the player. If the characters never say anything romantic
and it's only able to start with player consent, then everyone will be
happy. Make all characters with the ability to swing for both teams,
then it's really up to the player to decide if the characters actually
want to go for Shepard or not. In the past, characters began to flirt
with Shepard making their romantic feelings clear from the get go. If
those kind of things were not allowed to happen until the player
(Shepard) made the first move, then there would be no reason to
complain.

Edit: If I didn't articulate how this would work well enough, I apologize.

Basically
they would all start with non romantic dialogue. If Shepard said
something romantic, then the romantic responses would begin, if Shepard
didn't say something romantic, then the romantic responses would never
come up. Make sense?

I think that will be the compromise that will eventually be reached. All LIs will be bi BUT romances will no longer be initiated by the party members and MUST be triggered by the player. It may be silly, but with time could become an accepted RPG cliche like healing potions and merchants demanding you pay outrageous prices for equipment while their city burns.

[LiaraShepard]

it's good to have the characters bi, but I personally think some of them can hit on shepard, before he's starting to flirt with them. it's boring, if shepard must start the romance sequence with every character. it's nice to see how some of them get their feeling before he recognizes his own ones.

[Ryzaki]

I would love the romances being restricted to the PC initiation.

No more ninjamances.  

And I really dislike being hit on in game. I mean...what if I'm playing Ugly Shepard? Then everyone seems to have a severe eye problem. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:17 .

[gamer_girl]

Ryzaki wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Well, it looks like Bioware is finally starting to shut down the other s/s argument threads (unfortunately) AND telling people to come argue in this thread, which we're not allowed to do. AGAIN. I have this mental image of all the dudebros and "immersion" fans lurking in a rage. I may not agree with their stance, but Bioware's "solution" to their s/s arguments is silly.

I swear they didn't even read what we were saying before shutting it down. We didn't say anything offensive nor was I trolling (can only speak for what my intentions were).

This thread is to debate WHO and HOW s/s romances should be implemented. 

If you don't want s/s romances period it's like debating the Talimance being possible. It's too late now bucko. If I started a thread about how the Talimance shouldn't be in the game I'd expect the devs to lock it as well. Its a pointless thread. 

I started a thread with my idea to please everyone. Not with intolerance. I never said I didn't want s/s.

[LiaraShepard]

that anders hits on hawke wasn't the problem, the problem was that hawke couldn't give a neutral answer. only two heart options and a broken one. and I think it's part of thepersonality of some characters to start flirting on their own.

Modifié par LiaraShepard, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:22 .

[Ryzaki]

gamer_girl wrote...
I started a thread with my idea to please everyone. Not with intolerance. I never said I didn't want s/s.

Great I didn't explain myself well. 

I know that was your intention. 

The majority of anti-s/s threads are of that variety. 

[jlb524]

gamer_girl wrote...

Solution so both sides are happy: Make romances so that they can only be
initiated by the player. If the characters never say anything romantic
and it's only able to start with player consent, then everyone will be
happy. Make all characters with the ability to swing for both teams,
then it's really up to the player to decide if the characters actually
want to go for Shepard or not. In the past, characters began to flirt
with Shepard making their romantic feelings clear from the get go. If
those kind of things were not allowed to happen until the player
(Shepard) made the first move, then there would be no reason to
complain.

The majority of characters do initiate it though, which makes '2' a non-issue...but people still have issues with this, because they care so much about what some random stranger that lives down the road is possibly doing in their own ME game with Tali.

[gamer_girl]

Abispa wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I guess I'll post this here since my topic was locked.

We keep arguing and it's honestly going nowhere. Here's the two opinions:

1)
Having characters heterosexual or stricly lesbian/gay isn't fair to the
player. We need to be given more options so we can make the experience
truly our own. The characters should be bi so we can make the decision
for ourselves.

2) Having every character bi would take away from
the game experience because every character will be approaching Shepard
in a romantic way. That would get really old really fast. Also my
favourite character would be made to be something they clearly aren't.

Possible Solution

Solution
so both sides are happy: Make romances so that they can only be
initiated by the player. If the characters never say anything romantic
and it's only able to start with player consent, then everyone will be
happy. Make all characters with the ability to swing for both teams,
then it's really up to the player to decide if the characters actually
want to go for Shepard or not. In the past, characters began to flirt
with Shepard making their romantic feelings clear from the get go. If
those kind of things were not allowed to happen until the player
(Shepard) made the first move, then there would be no reason to
complain.

Edit: If I didn't articulate how this would work well enough, I apologize.

Basically
they would all start with non romantic dialogue. If Shepard said
something romantic, then the romantic responses would begin, if Shepard
didn't say something romantic, then the romantic responses would never
come up. Make sense?

I think that will be the compromise that will eventually be reached. All LIs will be bi BUT romances will no longer be initiated by the party members and MUST be triggered by the player. It may be silly, but with time could become an accepted RPG cliche like healing potions and merchants demanding you pay outrageous prices for equipment while their city burns.

That's what I was hoping. I figured I'd be able to catch the attention of some of the BioWare staff, but apparently they saw something offensive and shut it down (more likely they shut it down before reading it).

[Abispa]

I would like the OPTION, not saying I'd use it, for the hero to hit on everyone with a pulse though. One of the things I did like about Hawke was that s/he had a chance to be shot down more than any other RPG hero I can remember.

[Ryzaki]

Abispa wrote...

I would like the OPTION, not saying I'd use it, for the hero to hit on everyone with a pulse though. One of the things I did like about Hawke was that s/he had a chance to be shot down more than any other RPG hero I can remember.

lol

I love hitting on the elf in Merrill's camp. That was a funny rejection. 

[TheMarshal]

As 'safe' as it is to leave all romance initiation up to the PC, I think for the sake of realism - and character differentiation - having some of the NPCs initiate romantic overtures wouldn't be a bad thing, provided there are sufficient options for both accepting and turning down said overtures (and by sufficient, I mean both a 'gentle' rejection and a 'NO WAY!' rejection, rather than the crap we got with Anders).

[Blooddrunk1004]

gamer_girl wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

So you basicly want DA2 but without charachters hiting on you first?
No thx.

What's wrong with that? We can't very well do anything else without making certain groups really angry.

By turning every charachter into bi? You serious? That's the reason why every DA2 romance is laughable and weak. I don't want another sausage fest neither.  Aside from Jack i don't see anyone of the old charachters that could suddenly become bi. No wonder moderators are keep closing "extra" S/S Romance discussions.

[Ryzaki]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...
By turning every charachter into bi? You serious? That's the reason why every DA2 romance is laughable and weak. I don't want another sausage fest neither.  Aside from Jack i don't see anyone of the old charachters that could suddenly become bi. No wonder moderators are keep closing "extra" S/S Romance discussions.

Right that's totally your opinion.

I'm always amused as to why a bi romance is weaker than a straight one just by virtue of being bi. 

[Abispa]

LiaraShepard wrote...

that anders hit on hawke wasn't the problem, the problem was that hawke couldn't give a neutral answer. only two heart options and a broken one. and I think it's part of thepersonality of some characters to start flirting on their own.

Considering that Anders had led Hawke into a situation where s/he was forced to KILL TEMPLARS in the CHANTRY, it would have been silly for Anders to NOT assume that a "nice" Hawke wasn't trying to hit on him. If Hawke is sarcastic about the incident, or justifiably angry, Anders will not hit on Hawke and the heart icons don't become an issue. Just because you are playing a "nice" Hawke doesn't mean that you HAVE to choose the top line EVERY time. This is a role playing game after all.

[gamer_girl]

TheMarshal wrote...

As 'safe' as it is to leave all romance initiation up to the PC, I think for the sake of realism - and character differentiation - having some of the NPCs initiate romantic overtures wouldn't be a bad thing, provided there are sufficient options for both accepting and turning down said overtures (and by sufficient, I mean both a 'gentle' rejection and a 'NO WAY!' rejection, rather than the crap we got with Anders).

As long as it's some and not all. If every character tried to initiate it, that would just be excessive.

[ArawnNox]

Ryzaki wrote...

Abispa wrote...

I would like the OPTION, not saying I'd use it, for the hero to hit on everyone with a pulse though. One of the things I did like about Hawke was that s/he had a chance to be shot down more than any other RPG hero I can remember.

lol

I love hitting on the elf in Merrill's camp. That was a funny rejection. 

wait, what? I missed that O.O

[Ryzaki]

ArawnNox wrote...
wait, what? I missed that O.O

If you import a save where Zevran is still alive (or choice the Martry epilogue) you get a murder with the crows quest for act 3. You can flirt with the female elf who tells you where Zevran is. 

[Abispa]

TheMarshal wrote...

As 'safe' as it is to leave all romance initiation up to the PC, I think for the sake of realism - and character differentiation - having some of the NPCs initiate romantic overtures wouldn't be a bad thing, provided there are sufficient options for both accepting and turning down said overtures (and by sufficient, I mean both a 'gentle' rejection and a 'NO WAY!' rejection, rather than the crap we got with Anders).

Read my Anders rant on page 143 dealing about he complaints about the infamous "ninjamance."