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[gamer_girl]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

So you basicly want DA2 but without charachters hiting on you first?
No thx.

What's wrong with that? We can't very well do anything else without making certain groups really angry.

By turning every charachter into bi? You serious? That's the reason why every DA2 romance is laughable and weak. I don't want another sausage fest neither.  Aside from Jack i don't see anyone of the old charachters that could suddenly become bi. No wonder moderators are keep closing "extra" S/S Romance discussions.

Technically they wouldn't be bi if you didn't want them to be. If everything was initation by the player, then if you didn't try for a s/s relationship, it wouldn't even begin with flirting. Same with if you never tried for a hetero relationship - it would just never come up.

[bleetman]

Player initiated works for me. Past Mass Effect games - and Bioware games in general, really - have tended to bug me somewhat with characters who throw themselves at yours en masse. We have at least seemingly transcended that annoying phase where the game seems to assume you're into those characters simply because you're playing the applicable gender - I'm looking at you, Jacob, Ashley, Bastila, Carth and Alistair - and consequently throw romance triggering dialogue at you by the bucket load, avoiding which sometimes becomes akin to navigating a minefield, or otherwise have your characters talk to them with uncontrollable lust in their voices meow. I'm generally ok with it when it just fits with their character mind you, provided everyone isn't doing it. Isabela's constant flirtations never got on my nerves.

Of course, she's a sexy pirate wench. If her throwing flirty comments around mid conversation is wrong, I don't want to be right.

TheMarshal wrote...

As 'safe' as it is to leave all romance initiation up to the PC, I think for the sake of realism - and character differentiation - having some of the NPCs initiate romantic overtures wouldn't be a bad thing, provided there are sufficient optionsfor both accepting and turning down said overtures (and by sufficient, I mean both a 'gentle' rejection and a 'NO WAY!' rejection, rather than the crap we got with Anders).

Oh yes, this.

Modifié par bleetman, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:32 .

[ArawnNox]

Ryzaki wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...
wait, what? I missed that O.O

If you import a save where Zevran is still alive (or choice the Martry epilogue) you get a murder with the crows quest for act 3. You can flirt with the female elf who tells you where Zevran is. 

oooooh, I remember.

[Abispa]

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...
By turning every charachter into bi? You serious? That's the reason why every DA2 romance is laughable and weak. I don't want another sausage fest neither.  Aside from Jack i don't see anyone of the old charachters that could suddenly become bi. No wonder moderators are keep closing "extra" S/S Romance discussions.

Dude, have you ever had a REAL romance? Just try those smooth straight Shepard moves on a woman next time you're in the mood. When the hell has a VG RPG ever had a romance that wasn't laughable and weak when judged against reality?

[whywhywhywhy]

I'm against same sex relationships ingame if a toggle to turn off same sex relationships isn't implemented.

[gamer_girl]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

I'm against same sex relationships ingame if a toggle to turn off same sex relationships isn't implemented.

A toggle can be seen as offensive and BW already said it isn't happening. Therefore romance dialouge to only be initiated by Shep is a second option with little room for people to take offense.

Montezuma IV wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

So you basicly want DA2 but without charachters hiting on you first?
No thx.

What's wrong with that? We can't very well do anything else without making certain groups really angry.

By
turning every charachter into bi? You serious? That's the reason why
every DA2 romance is laughable and weak. I don't want another sausage
fest neither.  Aside from Jack i don't see anyone of the old
charachters that could suddenly become bi. No wonder moderators are keep
closing "extra" S/S Romance discussions.

Technically
they wouldn't be bi if you didn't want them to be. If everything was
initation by the player, then if you didn't try for a s/s relationship,
it wouldn't even begin with flirting. Same with if you never tried for a
hetero relationship - it would just never come up.

It would be non-existant unless "activated". I agree.

Exactly.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:35 .

[bleetman]

Remember folks, it's ok to add new s/s characters into the mix, just don't change the existing ones and all that. Unless you have the audacity to add more than one, you madmen! And women! Madwomen? Those too! Unrealistic! Weak writing! Yadda yadda, so on and so forth.

Modifié par bleetman, 19 juillet 2011 - 10:35 .

[jlb524]

gamer_girl wrote...

Technically they wouldn't be bi if you didn't want them to be. If everything was initation by the player, then if you didn't try for a s/s relationship, it wouldn't even begin with flirting. Same with if you never tried for a hetero relationship - it would just never come up.

Stop making sense!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Rinji the Bearded]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

I'm against same sex relationships ingame if a toggle to turn off same sex relationships isn't implemented.

You better cancel your preorder then because it ain't happening.

[FoxHound109]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

I'm against same sex relationships ingame if a toggle to turn off same sex relationships isn't implemented.

I'm gonna quote your screenname:

"whywhywhywhy"

[Jimmy Fury]

It's getting harder and harder to hide my contempt for any statement that includes the phrase "everyone in DA2 was bi" or anything like it.
It's hyperbole. Silly hyperbole at that. It's only said to blow things out of proportion and make it sound like some evil gay overlord came through and forced everyone to watch two dudes get it on.
Not everyone in DA2 was bi. Not everyone in ME3 will be bi. There are OTHER npc's in the games people. Not everyone is a romance. There were 9 companions in DA2 and 4 of them were bi romance options. That is NOT everyone. That's not even everyone that's romanceable. Sebastian is a completely heterosexual romance option.

[RueTheDay003]

jlb524 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Solution so both sides are happy: Make romances so that they can only be
initiated by the player. If the characters never say anything romantic
and it's only able to start with player consent, then everyone will be
happy. Make all characters with the ability to swing for both teams,
then it's really up to the player to decide if the characters actually
want to go for Shepard or not. In the past, characters began to flirt
with Shepard making their romantic feelings clear from the get go. If
those kind of things were not allowed to happen until the player
(Shepard) made the first move, then there would be no reason to
complain.

The majority of characters do initiate it though, which makes '2' a non-issue...but people still have issues with this, because they care so much about what some random stranger that lives down the road is possibly doing in their own ME game with Tali.

I think you are oversimplifing the many reasons why players might not want all the characters to be avaliable for s/s romances. For me, it is about verisimilitude. Yes, I know we are playing a game with aliens and plasma rifles and all that, but the romances in DA2 seemed completely inauthentic, as every romancable character was available to Hawke, regardless of gender. The "fakeness" of the situation was even more apparent when you played as an opposite gender Hawke and romanced the same character only to hear the same lines.  In regards to verisimilitude in the ME series, in previous games certain characters were only available to femShep or maleShep. Considering this is the final game of the trilogy, they shouldn't all of a sudden make those characters bi. That just reeks of pandering to a group that may be a vocal majority on the BSN but a minority in actuality.

Also, I am not one of those people who doesn't believe s/s relationships should be in the game at all; just with characters who were not previously romancable in ME1 or 2.  And while I don't think this is possible, I also believe they should have really wonderful, well-written characters who are only gay or lesbian. That would be a much more believable world than having everyone running around bi or "Shepard-sexual" (like all of the characters were "Hawke-sexual" in DA2) and turning all of these protagonists into full-fledged Mary/Gary Sues.

[gamer_girl]

SCM003 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Solution so both sides are happy: Make romances so that they can only be
initiated by the player. If the characters never say anything romantic
and it's only able to start with player consent, then everyone will be
happy. Make all characters with the ability to swing for both teams,
then it's really up to the player to decide if the characters actually
want to go for Shepard or not. In the past, characters began to flirt
with Shepard making their romantic feelings clear from the get go. If
those kind of things were not allowed to happen until the player
(Shepard) made the first move, then there would be no reason to
complain.

The majority of characters do initiate it though, which makes '2' a non-issue...but people still have issues with this, because they care so much about what some random stranger that lives down the road is possibly doing in their own ME game with Tali.

I think you are oversimplifing the many reasons why players might not want all the characters to be avaliable for s/s romances. For me, it is about verisimilitude. Yes, I know we are playing a game with aliens and plasma rifles and all that, but the romances in DA2 seemed completely inauthentic, as every romancable character was available to Hawke, regardless of gender. The "fakeness" of the situation was even more apparent when you played as an opposite gender Hawke and romanced the same character only to hear the same lines.  In regards to verisimilitude in the ME series, in previous games certain characters were only available to femShep or maleShep. Considering this is the final game of the trilogy, they shouldn't all of a sudden make those characters bi. That just reeks of pandering to a group that may be a vocal majority on the BSN but a minority in actuality.

Also, I am not one of those people who doesn't believe s/s relationships should be in the game at all; just with characters who were not previously romancable in ME1 or 2.  And while I don't think this is possible, I also believe they should have really wonderful, well-written characters who are only gay or lesbian. That would be a much more believable world than having everyone running around bi or "Shepard-sexual" (like all of the characters were "Hawke-sexual" in DA2) and turning all of these protagonists into full-fledged Mary/Gary Sues.

Who says they can't have different dialogue based on which gender of Shepard you are? Also like I said before, they technically won't be bi if you didn't want them to be. If you never used romance dialogue on that character they would treat you normally.

[Jimmy Fury]

SCM003 wrote...
That just reeks of pandering to a group that may be a vocal majority on the BSN but a minority in actuality.

Realism argument and you said pandering.
[drinks twice]
WOO! now it's a party.

[bleetman]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

SCM003 wrote...
That just reeks of pandering to a group that may be a vocal majority on the BSN but a minority in actuality.

Realism argument and you said pandering.
[drinks twice]
WOO! now it's a party.

I like the way you think

[FoxHound109]

I think we should stop arguing about the inclusion or the methods and focus on the actual romances.

I want the ability to sex him up:



Badly. I don't care if he looks like an ape. I want my Shepard to have hot man-to-gorilla sex with him...

[RueTheDay003]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

SCM003 wrote...
That just reeks of pandering to a group that may be a vocal majority on the BSN but a minority in actuality.

Realism argument and you said pandering.
[drinks twice]
WOO! now it's a party.

I love it how people on BSN only pull out "sound bites" and as a result, completely misrepresent the whole statement presented. Why don't you post the paragraph I wrote after that as well? Oh, wait. Because it states how I am actually in support of s/s romances, and heaven forbid someone actually have a complex view of the situation.

[Twilight_Princess]

gamer_girl wrote...

Blooddrunk1004 wrote...

So you basicly want DA2 but without charachters hiting on you first?
No thx.

What's wrong with that? We can't very well do anything else without making certain groups really angry.

Then there's another problem. Romance is only a subplot and bioware will only put so much effort into them, I cannot believe that making everyone romancable without any limitations won't affect the quantity or quality in some way. We have 9 romances at the moment so lets just add 4 more new li's since that's a likely number.  So we will have 13 maybe more characters in the last game that you can click for romance, and I know no one wants copy n paste dialogue for both the sexes so that means 26ish romance subplots that need to be written differently, animated differently. Then you have to consider new entry points and continuing romances with each character, so they ALSO need be written a bit differently too. I just can’t see them doing all that without cutting corners.

Speaking of which has it ever been brought up that a new entry point might affect the way the current romance subplot from ME2 will progress or rather, won't? So that it won't be " too far behind" from the new entry point in case it makes people huffy that one shepard is getting  more emotional content for romancing that character earlier?

because I do think there should be a pay off for romancing characters earlier, a significant difference in fact to show that it did matter.

Modifié par Hyrule_Gal, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:02 .

[bleetman]

Hyrule_Gal wrote...

so that means 26ish romance subplots that need to be written differently, animated differently. Then you have to consider new entry points and continuing romances with each character, so they ALSO need be written a bit differently too. I just can’t see them doing all that without cutting corners.

How fortunate, then, that this will never happen, ever.

[KawaiiKatie]

FoxHound109 wrote...

I think we should stop arguing about the inclusion or the methods and focus on the actual romances.

I want the ability to sex him up:

*Vega snip*

Badly. I don't care if he looks like an ape. I want my Shepard to have hot man-to-gorilla sex with him...

I don't want to sex him up, I want him to sex me up. <3

If Vega is the same-sex romance option, my gayShep is definitely going to have words with him about why it took so long for them to meet.

[FoxHound109]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

I don't want to sex him up, I want him to sex me up. <3

If Vega is the same-sex romance option, my gayShep is definitely going to have words with him about why it took so long for them to meet.

THIS is a much more entertaining debate!

IF Vega was the S/S romance option, would he be a bottom or a top?

[shepskisaac]

FoxHound109 wrote...

IF Vega was the S/S romance option, would he be a bottom or a top?

Flip-flop FTW!

[jlb524]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

SCM003 wrote...
That just reeks of pandering to a group that may be a vocal majority on the BSN but a minority in actuality.

Realism argument and you said pandering.
[drinks twice]
WOO! now it's a party.

*grabs beer*

[Trevbo]

Peoples problems with characters being available to both genders boggles me. They are letting info from an alternate canon affect their personal canon. It's like if I were to complain that my friend saw Wrex on tuchanka where he was unifying the krogan, but I know that can't be true, because I shot Wrex. And then my friend told me that anderson told him that the council is only made up of humans, but I know that can't be true, because I just met with the council, and it was the same council I saved two years ago.

It isn't making everyone bi. It is putting code into the game so that every player can create the canon they want. Which is something I wholeheartedly approve of.

However I would also like to see some characters that are bi or gay regardless of Shep's gender. I don't mean so that only certain sheps can romance them, but so that they have dialogue that clearly demonstrates they are queer, and not ashamed of it. While the all LIs are available to all is great, it means that it only increases representation of the LGBT community to those who already support it enough to make the right choices in game.

I would love to meet a character who is not romancible, maybe Udina introducing us to his husband, so that regardless of other player choices the community is represented in game. Would some players get pissed off and complain about their immersion? Hell Yeah. But it would also be a great gutsy move to push video games forward as a medium. We are starting to see more LGBT characters on TV and in movies, it would be nice to see it in video games too. And LI's that are available to both genders don't really count to me (on that front, I am super glad to see that in my game too), because that is content that will only be seen by the players who choose it.

Modifié par Trevbo, 19 juillet 2011 - 11:14 .