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[ArawnNox]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
But I have to question "progress" in a video game ?  It's entertainment and just because same sex options were added to the game doesn't mean it should change what I've become accustom to playing.

Portrayal of a demographic in media has a lot to do with progress.
How many times do you roll your eyes when you see a black character acting "thug" and "gangsta" or even those in the media who perpetuate the stereotype?
The Cosby Show, while in "entertainment" had a lot to do with altering perceptions, based around their portrayal and the jobs the characters held.

Bioware has pushed the envelope more than any other gaming company in terms of presenting and portraying homosexual/bisexual characters. Getting the player, even on an unconscious level, to re-evaluate their stance on such topics helps breed tolerance and understanding.

[King Gigglez]

Jademoon121 wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

King Gigglez wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

paptschik wrote...

Pfff, don't call him queer. Such limited views of sexuality would be insulting for the man. He's...he's....is there even a word for what he is? Omnisexual? That a real word?

"Pansexual" seems to be the new buzzword. How that differs from bisexuality I have yet to find an adiquate answer for.

Bisexuality is in terms of Male or Female, Pansexuality is in terms of, you love everyone and everything, Male, Female, Transgendered, and other types of people for their personality. if that makes sense.

I'll just chalk it up to perception. To me, Bisexuality inherantly implied you'd be with someone, regardless of gender/sex.

Sorry to say and I'm saying this in the most polite way capable in text, but you're wrong. You just described pansexuality, bisexualilty is when you're attracted to both sexes. Not necessarily in the same way, fashion, or intensity, but it's still about biological attraction.

I forgot to put the personality part, I edited that in lol

[whywhywhywhy]

King Gigglez wrote...

I know the answer to why toggles are offensive! But the question is... is should I answer it?

PM me then my inquiry was genuine.

[FoxHound109]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
They want it I'm fine with that but I do not, why expose me or others ?

Gaga forbid you're exposed to something so incredibly toxic! Quick, quick, someone make sure Bioware adds an anti-homosexual-radiation suit to Shepard before he catches The Gay and passes it on to the player!

Unless every dialog option is specifically labeled "Romantic" exploration of responses will undoubtly uncover the optional content.  So now I can't see every response a teammate might have or all of their dialog as I may trigger optional content I am uninterested in.

There's a HUGE difference between being "uninterested" in something and wanting to avoid it at all costs. You should look into it.

I find it highly hypocritical that those who desire the optional content wanted it and got it but now are against making it optional.

LOL, because Bioware is forcing the romances on you, amirite? Nevermind that you can tell them you're not interested and even play the ENTIRE series without romancing a single character. 

[Markun120]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

devSin wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Why is a toggle offensive ?  And to who ?

To rational people?

And because you can't toggle women in your game. You can't toggle non-white races. What makes you think you should be able to toggle gays and lesbians?

If you don't want to experience certain content, you need to use your own internal toggle and choose not to pursue that content. If the mere existence of that content causes problems for you, then you may have some larger issues going on; a toggle in a game isn't going to resolve those, unfortunately.

Unfortunately for you your wrong, I assure you.  To be clear I think something is wrong with all of you who desire optional content(which is fine) but feel offended that it's optional. 

This is not about toggling gays and lesbians if a character is openly whatever that's fine.   What the toggle is asking for is a reformat of characters who were straight that are being requested as LI for S-S relationships to be turned off and on as to preserve the original story.  BTW toggle women ? toggle non whites ?  I think your the one with issues.

How?

[shepskisaac]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
I find it highly hypocritical that those who desire the optional content wanted it and got it but now are against making it optional.

What the hell are you talking about? It IS an optional content already. If you stumble upon it accidentaly (which you will have to work really hard to achieve or play very recklessly), just reload like everyone else does and the problem';s solved. Nobody whines when they accidentaly start romancing Liara even if they didn't want to, people just reload and it's done, they pick other option(s). Everyone has to deal with the same problems the same way already but here you are, thinking you deserve special features such as auseless toggles just because you're so repulsed by another human being.

[ArawnNox]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Sorry to say and I'm saying this in the most polite way capable in text, but you're wrong. You just described pansexuality, bisexualilty is when you're attracted to both sexes. Not necessarily in the same way, fashion, or intensity, but it's still about biological attraction.

It sounds like splitting hairs, to me.
Call it what you want, I'll just sit over here with my bi-curiousness and be happy.

[whywhywhywhy]

ArawnNox wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

I'm against same sex relationships ingame if a toggle to turn off same sex relationships isn't implemented.

A toggle can be seen as offensive and BW already said it isn't happening. Therefore romance dialouge to only be initiated by Shep is a second option with little room for people to take offense.

Why is a toggle offensive ?  And to who ?  As it is Males and females get a toggle.  If BW doesn't implement a toggle that fine, I won't buy it.

LOL. Good riddance. 

Notice how you didn't answer the question.  Your Petty.

*you're.
Now it's petty.

Seriously, a sexuality toggle for all the NPCs in the game is offensive. It'd be up there with a toggle for ethnicity because someone might night want blacks/asians/hispanics in their in-game universe.

Not to mention that would be yet another variable to program in checks for. It's not like you just type in a single line of code. It has to check for a variable every time dialogue comes up. That's what leads to the bugs that caused Lelianna's ninjamancing and Zevran's missing dialogue.

I'm not offened by a ethnicity toggle as in the majority of games ethnicity is missing.  Well minus the 1 token.

[TheMarshal]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Thank you for providing me with a answer of some sort. But I have to question "progress" in a video game ?  It's entertainment and just because same sex options were added to the game doesn't mean it should change what I've become accustom to playing. 

I'm not sensitive your assuming you know what I think or how I feel, you'd be wrong.  I simply want to understand why a option to to turn it on or off is "such a no no" to the community that desires the optional content.  They want it I'm fine with that but I do not, why expose me or others ?  Unless every dialog option is specifically labeled "Romantic" exploration of responses will undoubtly uncover the optional content.  So now I can't see every response a teammate might have or all of their dialog as I may trigger optional content I am uninterested in.  And some dialog options will have been replaced with the hopefully static Romantic tag where as in the past it would have been a Paragon, renegade or neutral response.

I find it highly hypocritical that those who desire the optional content wanted it and got it but now are against making it optional.

You're mixing up optional content (romances, paragon/renegade paths, etc.) with disable-able options (sound, film grain, motion blur, etc.).  With optional content, the option is there whether you choose to take it or not.  Played a MaleShep in ME1?  You had the option to romance Liara or Ash.  You didn't have to romance either of them (a third option), but the option was there.  Same thing with the option to sacrifice or save the council, to kill Wrex or not, etc. etc.  Those options are always there, and you could trigger them through your own actions.

If you didn't want to kill the council, you didn't have to.  But you did not have the option to remove the option to kill the council.  Likewise, if you wanted to play a male or female Shepard, you had the option to.  But you did not have the option to remove the option to play as one or the other.  You had the option to romance certain squaddies in ME2, even if you had a romance with an ME1 squaddie.  The option to cheat/move on was always there, even if you never took it.  You had the option to romance someone in ME2, but you did not have the option to remove those romances altogether.

[jlb524]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
Unfortunately for you your wrong, I assure you.  To be clear I think something is wrong with all of you who desire optional content(which is fine) but feel offended that it's optional. 

This is not about toggling gays and lesbians if a character is openly whatever that's fine.   What the toggle is asking for is a reformat of characters who were straight that are being requested as LI for S-S relationships to be turned off and on as to preserve the original story.  BTW toggle women ? toggle non whites ?  I think your the one with issues.

I get what you are saying.  But then I kinda want a toggle for other potential inconsistencies that are added to the game for whatever reasons (Cerberus!  Cerberus!!)

Will it be a problem if Shepared his or herself has to initiate the romance with the previous LI?  It's not as if the LI will be running around the Normandy celebrating their newly found sexuality.

It's not as if Tali's first ME2 line with a romanced MaleShepard will be, "Hey, I realized I'm also attracted to human females...isn't that cool!?"

[Jademoon121]

Why the toggle doesn't work.

Whether you mean it or not, if you're going to phase out an innocent group of people, they're going to feel like you don't accept them, that you're not willing to work with them. Plus, it's kinda silly when this is an RPG. How you deal with negative aspects of your career as Shepherd shapes him/her into your character. Getting rid of a group, no matter or inconsequential, does take away story and gameplay.

Instead and in topic about s/s LIs, do what gays have been doing for years in real life and video games; turn down the flirts, and move on.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:56 .

[ArawnNox]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
]I'm not offened by a ethnicity toggle as in the majority of games ethnicity is missing.  Well minus the 1 token.

I didnt say you were. It was a hypathetical example.

Modifié par ArawnNox, 20 juillet 2011 - 12:59 .

[Blacklash93]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Thank you for providing me with a answer of some sort. But I have to question "progress" in a video game ?  It's entertainment and just because same sex options were added to the game doesn't mean it should change what I've become accustom to playing.

Mass Effect 3 will most likely be the same great game for everyone. Isn't that what you're accustomed to?

I'm not sensitive your assuming you know what I think or how I feel, you'd be wrong.  I simply want to understand why a option to to turn it on or off is "such a no no" to the community that desires the optional content.  They want it I'm fine with that but I do not, why expose me or others ?  Unless every dialog option is specifically labeled "Romantic" exploration of responses will undoubtly uncover the optional content.  So now I can't see every response a teammate might have or all of their dialog as I may trigger optional content I am uninterested in.  And some dialog options will have been replaced with the hopefully static Romantic tag where as in the past it would have been a Paragon, renegade or neutral response.

It's not to expose anyone else. It's a matter of integrity that we wish Bioware to follow. A toggle option at the beginning of the game that goes "Gay?: Yes or NO" shoved right in the players face would be quite jarring to many players. Bioware is about smooth, organic storytelling and that just doesn't mesh with it imo. And, as others have said, it causes bugs.

Forgive me if I am assuming, but the impression I get from those who want a toggle would seem a tad sensitive to me. Someone who has enough of a problem with S/S content being present in their game must have some sort of minor fear or disgust or discomfort of homosexuals. And we're against encouraging that, be it with sheltering or anything else.
  
And you have no idea how much we've wished for flagged romantic dialogue options like in DA2. Bioware really needs to consider that.

I find it highly hypocritical that those who desire the optional content wanted it and got it but now are against making it optional.

But it still IS optional. You have the choice not to engage.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:00 .

[whywhywhywhy]

MACharlie1 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

I'm against same sex relationships ingame if a toggle to turn off same sex relationships isn't implemented.

A toggle can be seen as offensive and BW already said it isn't happening. Therefore romance dialouge to only be initiated by Shep is a second option with little room for people to take offense.

Why is a toggle offensive ?  And to who ?  As it is Males and females get a toggle.  If BW doesn't implement a toggle that fine, I won't buy it.

It's not offensive, it's stupid.

Pandering to irrational discomfort and disgust over optional content just encourages such demands and fears. That's not progress and it's certainly doing anyone any favors. It's sheltering people who need to learn not to be so sensitive over an optional romance.

Thank you for providing me with a answer of some sort. But I have to question "progress" in a video game ?  It's entertainment and just because same sex options were added to the game doesn't mean it should change what I've become accustom to playing. 

I'm not sensitive your assuming you know what I think or how I feel, you'd be wrong.  I simply want to understand why a option to to turn it on or off is "such a no no" to the community that desires the optional content.  They want it I'm fine with that but I do not, why expose me or others ?  Unless every dialog option is specifically labeled "Romantic" exploration of responses will undoubtly uncover the optional content.  So now I can't see every response a teammate might have or all of their dialog as I may trigger optional content I am uninterested in.  And some dialog options will have been replaced with the hopefully static Romantic tag where as in the past it would have been a Paragon, renegade or neutral response.

I find it highly hypocritical that those who desire the optional content wanted it and got it but now are against making it optional.

But dude. It IS optional! Don't select "I want you." My God...all romances are optional. It's silly and redudant to have toggle that already exists in-game. 

If it's that clear and I can continue on talking to the npc without it being a problem then cool.  But I still have to question why it's "offensive" everyone act as if every human being has been exposed to homosexuals.  I assure you this is not the case.  So you might be offended but make no mistake so will others.  Neither is right.

[gamer_girl]

Answer me this. whywhywhywhy, why are you so intolerant that you won't even be bothered to see a dialogue OPTION - aka something Shepard COULD say to a character that would be romantic? By that logic you should be offended by the toggle because it mentions the word gay and brings up the option of having gay characters.

whywhywhywhy wrote...

But I still have to question why it's "offensive" everyone act as if
every human being has been exposed to homosexuals.  I assure you this is
not the case.

So in your mind intolerance>tolerance?

Modifié par gamer_girl, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:10 .

[FoxHound109]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Instead and in topic about s/s LIs, do what gays have been doing for years in real life and video games; turn down the flirts, and move on.

"You're gonna write a sad poem in your journal and move on!"

Modifié par FoxHound109, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:03 .

[Jademoon121]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

Instead and in topic about s/s LIs, do what gays have been doing for years in real life and video games; turn down the flirts, and move on.

"You're gonna write a sad poem in your journal and move on!"

:DHAH:D

[Maugrim]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

But I still have to question why it's "offensive" everyone act as if every human being has been exposed to homosexuals.  I assure you this is not the case. 

I assure you it is the case Mr. Ahmadinejad.

ETA: At least anyone that has access to an XBOX 360, PS3 or PC on which to play Mass Effect and thereby force the issue.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:10 .

[jlb524]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
If it's that clear and I can continue on talking to the npc without it being a problem then cool.  But I still have to question why it's "offensive" everyone act as if every human being has been exposed to homosexuals.  I assure you this is not the case.  So you might be offended but make no mistake so will others.  Neither is right.

It's because there are plenty of things forced on the player that we don't necessarily like, but no one is asking for a toggle.

Asking to toggle optional content just because it's 'of a homosexual nature' and you don't even have to experience it in game if you choose doesn't come off well.

Plus, is accidently triggering homosexual dialog such a horrid mistake (even when clearly marked) that there needs to be a toggle to control it?

No one is asking for a toggle to remove potential unwanted heterosexual interactions.  If I happen to accidently trigger what I think will lead to an unwanted heterosexual romance, I just reload.  This happened to me in DA2 with Fenris...after I gave him a book as a gift I just mindlessly hit the diplomatic option "I can help you learn to read" and it wasn't until I actually clicked the thing did I realize there was a heart there.  What did I do?  Go to the BSN asking for toggles on heterosexual romance?  No.  What I did was reload a save and then avoided choosing that dialog option.

Modifié par jlb524, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:09 .

[FoxHound109]

Jademoon121 wrote...

:DHAH:D

<3

[Cuddlezarro]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

:DHAH:D

<3

having rejected many a women in my life why would I want one when

[FoxHound109]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
...everyone act as if every human being has been exposed to homosexuals.  I assure you this is not the case...

You mean how people in the 50s and 60s used to argue that segregation in the United States was good because white students shouldn't be forced to be "exposed to African-Americans" and it would be too hard for them to acclamitize to the change? 

I want an option that let's me toggle a "separate, but equal" component in Mass Effect 3. Want to drink out of MY water fountain, you different people, you? NOT ON MY WATCH!

[whywhywhywhy]

King Gigglez wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Blacklash93 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

I'm against same sex relationships ingame if a toggle to turn off same sex relationships isn't implemented.

A toggle can be seen as offensive and BW already said it isn't happening. Therefore romance dialouge to only be initiated by Shep is a second option with little room for people to take offense.

Why is a toggle offensive ?  And to who ?  As it is Males and females get a toggle.  If BW doesn't implement a toggle that fine, I won't buy it.

It's not offensive, it's stupid.

Pandering to irrational discomfort and disgust over optional content just encourages such demands and fears. That's not progress and it's certainly doing anyone any favors. It's sheltering people who need to learn not to be so sensitive over an optional romance.

Thank you for providing me with a answer of some sort. But I have to question "progress" in a video game ?  It's entertainment and just because same sex options were added to the game doesn't mean it should change what I've become accustom to playing. 

I'm not sensitive your assuming you know what I think or how I feel, you'd be wrong.  I simply want to understand why a option to to turn it on or off is "such a no no" to the community that desires the optional content.  They want it I'm fine with that but I do not, why expose me or others ?  Unless every dialog option is specifically labeled "Romantic" exploration of responses will undoubtly uncover the optional content.  So now I can't see every response a teammate might have or all of their dialog as I may trigger optional content I am uninterested in.  And some dialog options will have been replaced with the hopefully static Romantic tag where as in the past it would have been a Paragon, renegade or neutral response.

I find it highly hypocritical that those who desire the optional content wanted it and got it but now are against making it optional.

The reason why a toggle is offensive to some people (I am personally fine with it) is because that if you toggle peoples sexuality that is like saying that "I can't deal with you being gay so I don't want to work with you" If a character is gay, that doesn't mean you have to romance them, it is just that they prefer males orver females...It is always an option to have a gay romance, its just a character in a game... it is always an option whether or not you romance them or not. If that helps, the answer I read when it explained it delt with Segragation, which in part does make sense

Thank you.

So it's offensive if i'm understanding you correctly because of acceptance ?  Not everyone will accept it, not everyone accepts me I don't have a fit I simply don't care.  You point out a number of reasons why it shouldn't be a big deal and I agree but why is it a big deal to those who oppose a toggle ?  Like you said it's video game character.

Since you gave me a earnest answer I'll explain it further I bought DA:O and after coming across a video I found out Alistair was a LI.  It changed the game for me because I liked Alistair but I had to be cautious not to trigger his romance.  Because the game was this way from the beginning I adapted and it did become a chore trying to remember to save before talking to him or that assassin. 

With ME the game was never this way I can play it carefree explore every response and enjoy it.  The game is being changed and I'm accepting of this, I don't understand how the toggle isn't accepted because it will only affect how I and others who use it play the game and no one else.

[bleetman]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

having rejected many a women in my life why would I want one when

*snip*

For some reason, the funniest part of that picture to me is the guy to his left. What, you couldn't fit "you" on there?

[jlb524]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

:DHAH:D

<3

having rejected many a women in my life why would I want one when


*snip*

LOL, how about you send all those ladies my way...I can send you the guys XD