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[gamer_girl]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Ok what about Jolly Ranchers? Those are a-fricken-mazing.

I just don't want to be exposed to licorice.

this

I hate Licorice with the passion of 1000 exploding super novas

Well unless Jolly Ranchers have started making licorice flavour I think you're probably good haha. OH! Gobstoppers are really good too. And Fizz candies.

[FoxHound109]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
I just had such a nice meaningful exchange with ArawnNo then you go and post this.  It shows your maturity or lack of it.

I don't think you're a bad person, but it's really hard to reply to you maturely when your biggest argument for supporting a toggle option is that "many people haven't been exposed to homosexuals."

[whywhywhywhy]

jlb524 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...
Unfortunately for you your wrong, I assure you.  To be clear I think something is wrong with all of you who desire optional content(which is fine) but feel offended that it's optional. 

This is not about toggling gays and lesbians if a character is openly whatever that's fine.   What the toggle is asking for is a reformat of characters who were straight that are being requested as LI for S-S relationships to be turned off and on as to preserve the original story.  BTW toggle women ? toggle non whites ?  I think your the one with issues.

I get what you are saying.  But then I kinda want a toggle for other potential inconsistencies that are added to the game for whatever reasons (Cerberus!  Cerberus!!)

Will it be a problem if Shepared his or herself has to initiate the romance with the previous LI?  It's not as if the LI will be running around the Normandy celebrating their newly found sexuality.

It's not as if Tali's first ME2 line with a romanced MaleShepard will be, "Hey, I realized I'm also attracted to human females...isn't that cool!?"

Thank you for being open minded.  I guess the storyline is a big part of why I play.  Just don't think it'll be the same if existing characters are changed.  May not be a so bad.  Thanks, conversations are nice.

[Pups_of_war_76]

ArawnNox wrote...

Pups_of_war_76 wrote...

Well, let's see:

I didn't like the fact that, in ME2, NPCs and squadmates so frequently hit on Shepards of mine who I considered to be romantically committed. Likewise, when cinematic direction attempted to create sexual tension with said characters.

There were reactions that my Shepard had under those circumstances that he would and should not have had, if I'd been given my druthers and taking into account his status. 

I didn't want it to happen. It actively bothered me whenever it did. I dare say that it bothered me more than any reasonable, non-homophobic person would be bothered by brushing up against homosexual content, because Shepard fidelity isn't an issue about which I am reasonable.

Could I toggle the sexual tension off?

No I could not, and it still didn't come close to ruining my enjoyment of the story, or even tarnishing it to a noticeable extent.

Sure, you might say that expecting a toggle would have been silly and delusional, and would have constituted hiding from reality, but that reality is not any less real than people who would prefer to toggle off gay content would be hiding from.

Folks asking for a gay toggle are silly.

*hugs you*
Excellent analogy is excellent

I'm glad I could be of service!

[Tonymac]

gamer_girl wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Ok what about Jolly Ranchers? Those are a-fricken-mazing.

I just don't want to be exposed to licorice.

this

I hate Licorice with the passion of 1000 exploding super novas

Well unless Jolly Ranchers have started making licorice flavour I think you're probably good haha. OH! Gobstoppers are really good too. And Fizz candies.

po-rocks

[MACharlie1]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...
Unfortunately for you your wrong, I assure you.  To be clear I think something is wrong with all of you who desire optional content(which is fine) but feel offended that it's optional. 

This is not about toggling gays and lesbians if a character is openly whatever that's fine.   What the toggle is asking for is a reformat of characters who were straight that are being requested as LI for S-S relationships to be turned off and on as to preserve the original story.  BTW toggle women ? toggle non whites ?  I think your the one with issues.

I get what you are saying.  But then I kinda want a toggle for other potential inconsistencies that are added to the game for whatever reasons (Cerberus!  Cerberus!!)

Will it be a problem if Shepared his or herself has to initiate the romance with the previous LI?  It's not as if the LI will be running around the Normandy celebrating their newly found sexuality.

It's not as if Tali's first ME2 line with a romanced MaleShepard will be, "Hey, I realized I'm also attracted to human females...isn't that cool!?"

Thank you for being open minded.  I guess the storyline is a big part of why I play.  Just don't think it'll be the same if existing characters are changed.  May not be a so bad.  Thanks, conversations are nice.

This may be a surprise but if Kaidan has the hots for manShep, his personality won't change in the slightest. Just the boner in his pants. He won't turn into something fabulous. He'll be Kaidan. Who people get boners for don't dictate how they act.  

Modifié par MACharlie1, 20 juillet 2011 - 01:55 .

[devSin]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

This is not about toggling gays and lesbians if a character is openly whatever that's fine.   What the toggle is asking for is a reformat of characters who were straight that are being requested as LI for S-S relationships to be turned off and on as to preserve the original story.

I'm not sure what you're toggling then? You want to specify the sexuality of every character? Are you fine with a gay character, or do you simply want a character who is only defined by their sexuality (so you know you don't have to take them along)?

Characters change. The writers will integrate this as they desire, and you won't always like where they go. Certainly there were some odd choices in ME2, and none of that was optional. But unlike those changes, you have an instant out if you don't want sexuality of certain characters to factor in the game: don't make advances on them. You can assume that Kaidan, Garrus, Wrex, and whoever are exclusively heterosexual based on things they may or may not say, but understand and accept that it's only an assumption. And if you're not interested in possibly pursuing a more intimate relationship with any of them, simply avoid the "Your butt looks nice in that armor." response on the dialogue wheel.

If this bothers you, I'm not sure what to tell you. Maybe if you better explained what exactly you're expecting a toggle to change? But even then, I don't think you'll find people here to be all that receptive (none of the other obligatory character changes are similarly up for debate, so why is this single one so dire that you can't play the game without being able to hide the fact that it's there at all?). Similarly, I refuse to believe that you truly can't see how considering something so bad that you feel the need to have the ability to remove it altogether can be offensive to some.

Modifié par devSin, 20 juillet 2011 - 02:05 .

[Jimmy Fury]

TheMarshal wrote...
You're mixing up optional content (romances, paragon/renegade paths, etc.) with disable-able options (sound, film grain, motion blur, etc.).  With optional content, the option is there whether you choose to take it or not.  Played a MaleShep in ME1?  You had the option to romance Liara or Ash.  You didn't have to romance either of them (a third option), but the option was there.  Same thing with the option to sacrifice or save the council, to kill Wrex or not, etc. etc.  Those options are always there, and you could trigger them through your own actions.

If you didn't want to kill the council, you didn't have to.  But you did not have the option to remove the option to kill the council.  Likewise, if you wanted to play a male or female Shepard, you had the option to.  But you did not have the option to remove the option to play as one or the other.  You had the option to romance certain squaddies in ME2, even if you had a romance with an ME1 squaddie.  The option to cheat/move on was always there, even if you never took it.  You had the option to romance someone in ME2, but you did not have the option to remove those romances altogether.

I'm quite late but White Collar was on and Matt Bomer > Everything.

I'd just like to say:
BEST. ANSWER. EVER.
Seriously, thank you. I'm going to be bookmarking that and refering people back to it later.

[Ryzaki]

 

Jimmy Fury wrote...
I'm quite late but White Collar was on and Matt Bomer > Everything.

I'd just like to say:
BEST. ANSWER. EVER.
Seriously, thank you. I'm going to be bookmarking that and refering people back to it later.

 You watch White Collar? 

Sarah bores me honestly. I really want Niel to leave her boring self. 

[Chun Hei]

IsaacShep wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

I want a toggle that lets male Shepard run around in DA2 elf underwear.

I want a 'ban anything elf' toggle for my ME. I hate elfs xD

Keep your gorillas. We are fighting.



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[jlb524]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
Thank you for being open minded.  I guess the storyline is a big part of why I play.  Just don't think it'll be the same if existing characters are changed.  May not be a so bad.  Thanks, conversations are nice.

Well, if the changes are independent of the storyline (all romances are anyway...they don't affect anything said beyond the Normandy in the characters designated room) and you don't have to see it if you never pick the option, is it okay then?

I knew Garrus was an option for females in ME2 but that didn't affect my storyline at all...it had no affect on the Cerberus issue, the Collectors, the Reapers, my interaction with Conrad Verner.  It didn't even affect my past romance with Liara.  I avoided the obvious dialog that would lead to initiating the Garrus romance.  In my ME universe, Garrus just isn't interested in my Shepard sexually or romantically and they continued on as good friends.  The existence of a possible romance and a flirt option on the dialog wheel didn't change anything for me.  What I didn't like was being forced to sound 'flirty' around Jacob...as long as they avoid that crap for all romances (gay or straight) I think we're good.

Modifié par jlb524, 20 juillet 2011 - 02:08 .

[King Gigglez]

One other idea, just because the character hasn't hit on Shepard yet, doesn't mean he is straight, they can keep their... emotional feelings hidden which is realistic, and more dialogue options are required to flush out their feelings... I actually think that would be nice, I personally think Garrus is pansexual (not just because I really love him) one of the main reasons is because he really hasn't illustrated he isn't interested in Shepard (M) he went along with female Shepard even though he really didn't want to as well.... So I think it would fit.

[whywhywhywhy]

gamer_girl wrote...

Answer me this. whywhywhywhy, why are you so intolerant that you won't even be bothered to see a dialogue OPTION - aka something Shepard COULD say to a character that would be romantic? By that logic you should be offended by the toggle because it mentions the word gay and brings up the option of having gay characters.

whywhywhywhy wrote...

But I still have to question why it's "offensive" everyone act as if
every human being has been exposed to homosexuals.  I assure you this is
not the case.

So in your mind intolerance>tolerance?

sigh.  Exposure is important.  Understanding from both sides is important.  Expecting someone to accept your lifestyle because it is different is wrong.  I never expect/demand people to accept me because of what I am but welcome them to get them to know me and accept/reject me because of who I am.  You or anyone else who expects a mandatory acceptance are being intolerant.  People disagree.  Some completely reject. Others behave as zealots.  You have to greet them all in the same loving manner and take joy in being you.

[Jimmy Fury]

Ryzaki wrote...

 

Jimmy Fury wrote...
I'm quite late but White Collar was on and Matt Bomer > Everything.

I'd just like to say:
BEST. ANSWER. EVER.
Seriously, thank you. I'm going to be bookmarking that and refering people back to it later.

 You watch White Collar? 

Sarah bores me honestly. I really want Niel to leave her boring self.

Do I watch a show with a blindingly attractive gay leading man who plays a charming, cultured, blindingly attractive con man?

(and not to get off topic but me too. Well she did until tonight. She might be interesting now but I suspect not... Although Sarah has become irrelivant because thanks to last week Neil is now madly in love with Scott... in my head. )

But back to ME and things that are ME related and therefore on topic; I sometimes wonder why people who claim so much love for the story of Mass Effect have such little faith in the writers who gave them that story.
That's why I have such trouble taking the immersion argument seriously. People claim they care only about the immersion, because the scope and story of Mass Effect is so compelling that it has drawn them in for years now.
Yet they also seem to think the very same writers who brought them this epic sci-fi war tale will somehow get all stupid once it comes time to write s/s romances. I mean yes there was some hamfisting with the romances in ME2 but that was because the writers were spread thin on their resources. Few squaddies= fewer full fledged romances = better writing all around.

[whywhywhywhy]

FoxHound109 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...
...everyone act as if every human being has been exposed to homosexuals.  I assure you this is not the case...

You mean how people in the 50s and 60s used to argue that segregation in the United States was good because white students shouldn't be forced to be "exposed to African-Americans" and it would be too hard for them to acclamitize to the change? 

I want an option that let's me toggle a "separate, but equal" component in Mass Effect 3. Want to drink out of MY water fountain, you different people, you? NOT ON MY WATCH!

If your going to use part of that history why don't you quote all of it so it's clear just how different that situation is when taken as a whole event.  Rather then being picked apart and marginalized to fit your comparisons of parallels to homosexual discrimination.  I feel ashamed for you and I have nothing more to say to you.

[co_oki]

I first I was alarmed at gays in ME3. But Not so much anymore. I mean, If I were a guy, I wouldn't be able to stay away from Kaidan either. You already have Sexy default male Shep. Might as well complete it with Kaidan.

Honestly though, changing from your default sheploo to anything else is just crazy, as anything else is ugly.

[Chun Hei]

@ whywhywhywhy -- If it is your desire to play a heterosexual Shepard there is nothing to stop you. In fact gay and bisexual content being added to ME3 will actually give you the opportunity to make your Shepard's heterosexuality a meaningful role-playing choice for you.

[Tonymac]

Chun Hei wrote...

@ whywhywhywhy -- If it is your desire to play a heterosexual Shepard there is nothing to stop you. In fact gay and bisexual content being added to ME3 will actually give you the opportunity to make your Shepard's heterosexuality a meaningful role-playing choice for you.

Well put.

[whywhywhywhy]

jlb524 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Since you gave me a earnest answer I'll explain it further I bought DA:O and after coming across a video I found out Alistair was a LI.  It changed the game for me because I liked Alistair but I had to be cautious not to trigger his romance.  Because the game was this way from the beginning I adapted and it did become a chore trying to remember to save before talking to him or that assassin. 

With ME the game was never this way I can play it carefree explore every response and enjoy it.  The game is being changed and I'm accepting of this, I don't understand how the toggle isn't accepted because it will only affect how I and others who use it play the game and no one else.

Since you like to explore dialog trees extensively, I'm sure you come accross options you don't really like for whatever reason...what do you do then?  I would imagine you'd eventually reload and pick the one that fits your character more.  That's what I do at least.

Why is it so difficult to do the same with possible homosexual romantic dialog? 

It's done on a per playthru basis.  I'll try that next playthru and this on the next play through.  I let my decisions stick.

[Chun Hei]

Tonymac wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

@ whywhywhywhy -- If it is your desire to play a heterosexual Shepard there is nothing to stop you. In fact gay and bisexual content being added to ME3 will actually give you the opportunity to make your Shepard's heterosexuality a meaningful role-playing choice for you.

Well put.

Thank you. I forgive you for using that awful profile picture.

[whywhywhywhy]

MACharlie1 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Since you gave me a earnest answer I'll explain it further I bought DA:O and after coming across a video I found out Alistair was a LI.  It changed the game for me because I liked Alistair but I had to be cautious not to trigger his romance.  Because the game was this way from the beginning I adapted and it did become a chore trying to remember to save before talking to him or that assassin. 

With ME the game was never this way I can play it carefree explore every response and enjoy it.  The game is being changed and I'm accepting of this, I don't understand how the toggle isn't accepted because it will only affect how I and others who use it play the game and no one else.

But...Alistair was a female only love interest...hm. Interesting. 

No he wasn't they said Alistair and the elf were LI.  They said you could ****** him off and he'd act different.  He was a good tank in combat and had some funny lines so I thought he was a cool character. 

edit:
Unless it was a PC mod and I got duped.  Darn it. 

Modifié par whywhywhywhy, 20 juillet 2011 - 02:32 .

[gamer_girl]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Answer me this. whywhywhywhy, why are you so intolerant that you won't even be bothered to see a dialogue OPTION - aka something Shepard COULD say to a character that would be romantic? By that logic you should be offended by the toggle because it mentions the word gay and brings up the option of having gay characters.

whywhywhywhy wrote...

But I still have to question why it's "offensive" everyone act as if
every human being has been exposed to homosexuals.  I assure you this is
not the case.

So in your mind intolerance>tolerance?

sigh.  Exposure is important.  Understanding from both sides is important.  Expecting someone to accept your lifestyle because it is different is wrong.  I never expect/demand people to accept me because of what I am but welcome them to get them to know me and accept/reject me because of who I am.  You or anyone else who expects a mandatory acceptance are being intolerant.  People disagree.  Some completely reject. Others behave as zealots.  You have to greet them all in the same loving manner and take joy in being you.

So you're saying we should be tolerant of intolerant people? Why should you be given the privilege of our tolerance when you obviously can't give that same respect to certain groups of people? What makes you more worthy of tolerance than them? <_<

Edit:
There is a huge difference between acceptance and tolerance. You may not be able to accept homosexuality, but it's common social decency to tolerate it.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 20 juillet 2011 - 02:43 .

[Maugrim]

whywhywhywhy wrote...
]No he wasn't they said Alistair and the elf were LI.  They said you could ****** him off and he'd act different.  He was a good tank in combat and had some funny lines so I thought he was a cool character.  Unless it was a PC mod and I got duped.

It was a mod, you got duped. Alistair is m/f only in unmodded DAO.  Come on dude don't you think if anyone knew what was what with gay characters it would be the people that support it? 

[MACharlie1]

whywhywhywhy wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

whywhywhywhy wrote...

Since you gave me a earnest answer I'll explain it further I bought DA:O and after coming across a video I found out Alistair was a LI.  It changed the game for me because I liked Alistair but I had to be cautious not to trigger his romance.  Because the game was this way from the beginning I adapted and it did become a chore trying to remember to save before talking to him or that assassin. 

With ME the game was never this way I can play it carefree explore every response and enjoy it.  The game is being changed and I'm accepting of this, I don't understand how the toggle isn't accepted because it will only affect how I and others who use it play the game and no one else.

But...Alistair was a female only love interest...hm. Interesting. 

No he wasn't they said Alistair and the elf were LI.  They said you could ****** him off and he'd act different.  He was a good tank in combat and had some funny lines so I thought he was a cool character.  Unless it was a PC mod and I got duped.

You got duped. Alistair is a female-only romance. 

EDIT: Darn it? You sound a little disapointed that your manWarden couldn't grey his warden. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 20 juillet 2011 - 02:35 .

[Ryzaki]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

IF Vega was the S/S romance option, would he be a bottom or a top?

He's topping my Shep. 

Shep feels like obeying someone else's commands once in a while.

+1 <3

Glad to see we agree.