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[jlb524]

Oh yeah, that's right...oops.

[Maugrim]

Siansonea II wrote...

Hear hear. It's worth noting that the original FFTL thread and group was started by a straight male, and the current president of said group, yours truly, is a straight woman. This isn't an "us" versus "them" situation, because many of "us" are on "their" side. As far as I'm concerned there is no "them", we're just one big "us". Fact is, lots of straight people would pursue s/s romances in a video game. It's a video game.

So very true, I'd say there are more straight men and women using this content than they non-straight men and women by quite a large margin

Siansonea II wrote...
I'm pretty sure sexing up Kelly doesn't make me a lesbian. Sorry girls.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:39 .

[jlb524]

Yeah, the bottom line is that people (regardless of gender/sexuality) use the content and they have metrics that tell them such. Even if it's a minority when compared to those who do straight romances, it's still a significant minority.

As I've mentioned before, it's no different from male romances...the minority use that content as most seem to do the female romances (just look at any 'fave LI poll'...the females easily get more votes). However, the 'minority' of gamers that do romance males is significant enough to warrant it's inclusion and BW has made great progress since BG2 (one male LI, three female LIs) to make romance choices equal for not only gay gamers but straight females who want to romance dudes. Now they seem to want to extend it to s/s romances as well....that's a good thing, IMO.

[FoxHound109]

jlb524 wrote...

I can't fathom why a straight woman would want to see two hot dudes hook up.

Actually, now that you mention Anders' writer...both Anders and Fenris were written by males and both Merrill and Isabela by females...hmmmm....

1. Depends on the woman, but the general concensus is that women enjoy gay romances/sex scenes because they're more egalitarian. There's a better chance for equality between the two partners because both can take different roles depending on the situation. It also appears to women as though those two men involved are more passionate and more vulnerable with each other because of the lack of gender role issues. There is also the excitement of a taboo, because it's something very different, and the chance to see men in a sexual way that is not threatening for the female viewer. I'm sure there are MANY more reasons why (like getting to see two of what you like for the price of one), so don't take those statements above as being the only ones. 

2. Anders in Dragon Age II was written by a female.

[ArawnNox]

Ryzaki wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

This is another thing I wanted to point out: people think that the male/male romances are only to pander to the gay community, and specifically to gay gamers. But the truth is that there is a pretty large market for male/male romances for WOMEN in general: hence why a recent scientific study found that straight women are more likely to watch gay porn than straight porn, why there are thousands of stories slashing male characters together, why yaoi is so massive in Japan (and growing in the West), and why the romance novel has seen a resurgence of women writing gay romances for other women to read. Hell, Anders for DA II was written by a woman.

I can't fathom why a straight woman would want to see two hot dudes hook up.

Actually, now that you mention Anders' writer...both Anders and Fenris were written by males and both Merrill and Isabela by females...hmmmm....

Anders was *originally* written by a male (David Gaider) in Awakening. In DA2 his writer is Jennifer Hepler (a woman) who was responsible for the Broodmother segements (as well as another creepy part I forgot) in DAO. Gaider did write Fenris though.

And lets not forget the David Gaider inserts gay characters whenever he gets the chance.

[jlb524]

FoxHound109 wrote...

1. Depends on the woman, but the general concensus is that women enjoy gay romances/sex scenes because they're more egalitarian. There's a better chance for equality between the two partners because both can take different roles depending on the situation. It also appears to women as though those two men involved are more passionate and more vulnerable with each other because of the lack of gender role issues. There is also the excitement of a taboo, because it's something very different, and the chance to see men in a sexual way that is not threatening for the female viewer. I'm sure there are MANY more reasons why (like getting to see two of what you like for the price of one), so don't take those statements above as being the only ones.

Oh, I know...I was just being facetious.  

I feel the same way about f/f romances...though I'm also a gay female so I have other motivations XD

[FoxHound109]

jlb524 wrote...

Oh, I know...I was just being facetious. 

LOL! Sorry, completely missed that! XD

[Eternal Dust]

Siansonea II wrote...
I'm pretty sure sexing up Kelly doesn't make me a lesbian. Sorry girls.

That's what she said.

[jlb524]

FoxHound109 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Oh, I know...I was just being facetious. 

LOL! Sorry, completely missed that! XD

It's my fault for not using a smilie

[jlb524]

rynluna wrote...

I your sig, octoberfire.

inorite

Cara is

...or did you mean the other sigs?

Modifié par jlb524, 20 juillet 2011 - 03:51 .

[Eternal Dust]

jlb524 wrote...

rynluna wrote...

I your sig, octoberfire.

inorite

Cara is

...or did you mean the other sigs?

Who can resist the gay sharks?

[gamer_girl]

I'm an ultra noob apparently and don't know how to do sigs. XP

[jlb524]

gamer_girl wrote...

I'm an ultra noob apparently and don't know how to do sigs. XP

Go to 'Profile' -> 'Forum Settings' 

then you should see a text editor.  I then click on 'BBCode' and then add the following:

[img*]*paste sig url here*[/img*]

remove the '*' symbols. 

[gamer_girl]

jlb524 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I'm an ultra noob apparently and don't know how to do sigs. XP

Go to 'Profile' -> 'Forum Settings' 

then you should see a text editor.  I then click on 'BBCode' and then add the following:

[img*]*paste sig url here*[/img*]

remove the '*' symbols. 

Thank you. Now I just have to find an ultra super fantastic sig.

[FoxHound109]

Siansonea II wrote...

Hear hear. It's worth noting that the original FFTL thread and group was started by a straight male, and the current president of said group, yours truly, is a straight woman. This isn't an "us" versus "them" situation, because many of "us" are on "their" side. As far as I'm concerned there is no "them", we're just one big "us". Fact is, lots of straight people would pursue s/s romances in a video game. It's a video game. I'm pretty sure playing as ManShep doesn't somehow make me a man, and I'm pretty sure sexing up Kelly doesn't make me a lesbian. Sorry girls.

Oh, oh, I missed this reply!

Totally agreed on all accounts! I always think it's funny that people think Bioware should be "catering to the straight gamers" as if ALL straight gamers don't wan't s/s. There are plenty of straight gals, and yes guys, who want to be able to have their mSheps become involved in s/s romances. 

[jlb524]

BW carters to romances regardless of who wants them. They have data that tells them that people (regardless of gender/sexuality) want s/s romances. If they didn't, they wouldn't add them...it's not as if they are only doing it out of 'political correctness' as some like to believe (though that may net them 'bonus points').

They never had s/s romances in their earlier games...why add them now? Because people want them and play through that content. It's not a difficult concept to grasp.  XD

*I can only speak for myself, but most of my friends on BSN play through s/s romances*

Modifié par jlb524, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:24 .

[KawaiiKatie]

You know, I was just thinking... Mass Effect 3 has such a big cast and there are so many love interests that if Bioware wanted to, they could definitely have a healthy mix of heterosexual, homosexual and bisexual love-interests. I think that would be pretty cool.

[thedistortedchild]

FoxHound109 wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I can't fathom why a straight woman would want to see two hot dudes hook up.

Actually, now that you mention Anders' writer...both Anders and Fenris were written by males and both Merrill and Isabela by females...hmmmm....

1. Depends on the woman, but the general concensus is that women enjoy gay romances/sex scenes because they're more egalitarian. There's a better chance for equality between the two partners because both can take different roles depending on the situation. It also appears to women as though those two men involved are more passionate and more vulnerable with each other because of the lack of gender role issues. There is also the excitement of a taboo, because it's something very different, and the chance to see men in a sexual way that is not threatening for the female viewer. I'm sure there are MANY more reasons why (like getting to see two of what you like for the price of one), so don't take those statements above as being the only ones. 

2. Anders in Dragon Age II was written by a female.

I like it 'cause I think two dudes making out is hot . Probably for the same reason straight guys like lesbians.
Occam's razor folks.

[FoxHound109]

thedistortedchild wrote...

I like it 'cause I think two dudes making out is hot . Probably for the same reason straight guys like lesbians.
Occam's razor folks.

TRU FAX: most videos of guys making out on YouTube are commented on by gals! 

[CyberDirectorFreedom]

I don't see any problems with s/s relationships in a video game. If you don't like it, don't have a s/s relationship with your character. I'm not going to, because I'm a "homophobe," or so I'm told. But I'm not opposed to having it in the game, I'm just not going to use it, but a lot of people obviously will, so let them have it.

[AngelicMachinery]

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

I don't see any problems with s/s relationships in a video game. If you don't like it, don't have a s/s relationship with your character. I'm not going to, because I'm a "homophobe," or so I'm told. But I'm not opposed to having it in the game, I'm just not going to use it, but a lot of people obviously will, so let them have it.

You don't seem particularly homophobic,  you just don't want to indulge in homosexual relationships which seems a-okay to me.

[FoxHound109]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

CyberDirectorFreedom wrote...

I don't see any problems with s/s relationships in a video game. If you don't like it, don't have a s/s relationship with your character. I'm not going to, because I'm a "homophobe," or so I'm told. But I'm not opposed to having it in the game, I'm just not going to use it, but a lot of people obviously will, so let them have it.

You don't seem particularly homophobic,  you just don't want to indulge in homosexual relationships which seems a-okay to me.

This.