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[Jademoon121]

I'm just exasperated in seeing all this bickering. Not over the LIs themselves(that's the fun part) but just that I have to endure hearing "NO ****** BRO", "POLITICAL CORRECTNESS" or "Ghey toggle plz" and other insipid complaints whenever I see topics like this. The sooner we know the LIs, the less I'll have to deal with those irrelevant comments.

[King Gigglez]

gamer_girl wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Before anyone makes a thread, let's think about it and try to create a convincing OP here. What should it include etc so the argument is good.

I don't know that creating a topic will do much. Mine was non controversial and they still found a reason to lock it.

I am a good convicing person, I just have a history on things and view points... *cough cough* Garrus *cough cough* but I am always good at BSing things... I don't really see a reason to create a new thread though...

[Dhiro]

Thread about what?

If it's about s/s of any type, it will be closed. The mods said, many times, that this subject should say here, in this thread.

[Siansonea]

Wereparrot wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

I've just caught up on the last ten pages or so, some interesting discussion.

Jademoon121 wrote...

I really feel the urge a thread to just outright ask Bioware to list us the LI's when they develop them, after reading some very entertaining threads. Eight months of mudslinging ins't worth it.

This. Can we seriously think about making one? I PM'd Chris Priestly about it a month ago and he basically said Bioware weren't going to reveal anything for ages because it would spoil parts of the story, but at the very least we can ask that they hurry it up a little.

 
I don't think that it would be a good idea to reveal the LIs just yet, because The Argument would continue, except it would consist of people thanking Bioware that certain characters are unchanged and people wailing about how their male Shepherd can't romance Kaidan or Garrus and rapidly degenerate. Certainly I've no wish to imminently discover that Garrus swings both ways. 

Bioware would be accused of treason by these people, put on trial at The Hague and certain key writers will be hung, drawn and quartered at dawn, and their heads will be impaled on spikes at the Tower of London. If the arrogance of certain individuals and strange interpretation of events is anything to go by. 

Excellent use of hyperbole. You get a cookie. 

[ElitePinecone]

Yeah, on second thoughts it sounds like a bad idea.

As much as I find the next eight months of incessant forum warfare daunting, at the same time it would be worse if an early reveal resulted in even louder screaming and gnashing of teeth.

[bleetman]

You could always just not reply to the topics. I've always found that sticking my fingers in my ears and humming loudly solves a whole lot of problems.

Modifié par bleetman, 20 juillet 2011 - 04:49 .

[Dhiro]

I should ignore stupid threads more, I think. They're bad for my heart.

[King Gigglez]

bleetman wrote...

You could always just not reply to the topics. I've always found that sticking my fingers in my ears and humming loudly solves a whole lot of problems.

Why do you have to hum? Forums don't create sounds... so... ya

[Jademoon121]

bleetman wrote...

You could always just not reply to the topics. I've always found that sticking my fingers in my ears and humming loudly solves a whole lot of problems.

Meh, I'm a bit of a masochist. Plus, some of the anti-s.s threads are just comedy gold. 

[bleetman]

King Gigglez wrote...

bleetman wrote...

You could always just not reply to the topics. I've always found that sticking my fingers in my ears and humming loudly solves a whole lot of problems.

Why do you have to hum? Forums don't create sounds... so... ya

I also don't read with my ears. Don't be so literal

[Medhia Nox]

That pink pony is really starting to creep me out.

[Siansonea]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Yeah, on second thoughts it sounds like a bad idea.

As much as I find the next eight months of incessant forum warfare daunting, at the same time it would be worse if an early reveal resulted in even louder screaming and gnashing of teeth.

Loud screaming and gnashing of teeth (and tearing of hair, and rending of robes) is inevitable around here. Some people just aren't happy unless they're unhappy about something, and complaining loudly to all and sundry about it. People like to fight, it's human nature. We've been doing it since we huddled around watering holes wielding the femurs of various animals as weapons to ward off competitors. The only thing that's changed is technology. Text is the new femur.

[gamer_girl]

Dhiro wrote...

Thread about what?

If it's about s/s of any type, it will be closed. The mods said, many times, that this subject should say here, in this thread.

I thought the title explained my intentions well. I said I wanted the whole war with words to stop and that I had a solution to please everyone.

[ElitePinecone]

Siansonea II wrote...
Text is the new femur.

Now there's a fantastic metaphor. 

I guess, from that perspective, ****ing is inevitable and we should just press on with attempting a civil discussion. 

Couldn't hurt to have more informaton, though 

Edit: Really, Bioware? Overzealous forum filters are overzealous. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:06 .

[TheBlackBaron]

Dhiro wrote...

Thread about what?

If it's about s/s of any type, it will be closed. The mods said, many times, that this subject should say here, in this thread.

If you're asking for a list of LI's, then it wouldn't just be about homosexual options (well, unless that's all you asked for, but...yeah). So it wouldn't get closed just for that.

Frankly, I think they'd be better off doing that. It's like taking off a band-aid. Rip it off, let it sting for a bit, and things will fall back into the usual level of arguing.

Modifié par TheBlackBaron, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:03 .

[Dhiro]

I don't really think they'll give us a list of the LIs just because we asked.

[TheBlackBaron]

Dhiro wrote...

I don't really think they'll give us a list of the LIs just because we asked.

Well, no, but I think it'd be a wise move on their part. They did so with DA2, anyway, although that was closer to release.

[Maugrim]

A thread asking for any LI's is going to be shut down very quickly and ignored.  Bioware has never revealed LI's more than a month or so before the game came out.  They have never* released who the s/s LI were before a game has come out.  As I've said elsewhere why should they?  It's not going to stop the whining, just change the exact topic of it.  Not to mention what if for some reason they did decide to cut a romance at the last minute.  You think what's going on now is bad? Hahahahahahahaha!  The news of a canceled romance at this point would be the worst bomb they've ever dumped on the forums.  Though it'd be entertaining as hell to watch.  I'd put money on them following the same schedule they always have.

*ETA: Now I'm thinking we may have had the DAO s/s li just before launch but it was definately only confirmed a while after the straight ones.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:12 .

[ElitePinecone]

gamer_girl wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

Thread about what?

If it's about s/s of any type, it will be closed. The mods said, many times, that this subject should say here, in this thread.

I thought the title explained my intentions well. I said I wanted the whole war with words to stop and that I had a solution to please everyone.

For what it's worth I read your initial post and almost entirely agreed with it.

But forums being as they are, you're never, ever going to have consensus. It's a very noble ambition and it was worth a try, but no matter how carefully your post was crafted it was almost doomed before it began. 

Some people are unwilling to have s/s content in their games *at all*, even if it's only player-initiated and all the dialogue is clearly marked. They have an ideological or moral objection to it, and no amount of reasoned logic will convince them otherwise. 

Some supporters of s/s don't particularly feel like compromising with people they feel don't respect them - and so they're arguing for some LIs to approach the player, rather than vice versa. I don't take this positon, but I can appreciate why people would. 

There are a hundred different positions on this issue and nothing is going to satisfy everybody. Bioware are going to have to alienate someone, and they know it - that would heavily influence their decision making process and the weight they put on ensuring that as few people as possible are annoyed by whatever they do. 

I don't actually think concensus or compromise is possible for many people on this issue, which is why it's a toxic argument on the forum. Too many ideologues with too many disparate and entrenched opinions. 

[Dhiro]

TheBlackBaron wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

I don't really think they'll give us a list of the LIs just because we asked.

Well, no, but I think it'd be a wise move on their part. They did so with DA2, anyway, although that was closer to release.

They revealed the LIs, not wich ones were the bisexual and it was a month or so before the game was released. The players discovered the S/S LIs (meaning, everybody) by themselves.

[ArawnNox]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
So i really don't see it as a Bioware marketing issue at all. It's a sci-fi issue in general and one that Bioware is  subverting just by including the ability to play a female BASM in previous games and a non-straight one in ME3.

That's an interesting perspective. 

You're right in that the 'BASM' trope isn't associated so much (well, at all) with non-heterosexuality; several of the less articulate arguments I've heard against s/s in ME3 have boiled down to "Well, Shepard is the best soldier humanity has, he's [they never use she...] a badass hero, and badass hero soldiers can't be gay." 

I doubt there's causation between maleShep dominating advertising and the 'Shep can't be gay!!1' argument, given the wider sci-fi context (and heck, even military context) you've outlined, but at the same time a not-insignificant minority of posts about this topic have assumed, wrongly, that Shepard is indeed the badass male character from the ads and boxart, and that no other interpretation of the character is valid. 

It couldn't hurt for Bioware to state through their advertising that the gender choice even exists, and that Shepard is not, indeed, always male. 

Related point: I love that femShep is a BASM without needing to be either the Vasquez uber-butch stereotype or a femme fatale seductress (well, 99% of the time...). It's a real credit to Bioware's writing team and the VO director that she sounds like a competent and efficient soldier/diplomat/commander who just happens to be female. 

You pretty much nailed why I love playing FemShep over ManShep.

[Rinji the Bearded]

Bioware's not going to reveal the s/s romances just because us forum readers spit venom at each other about it. Likely we will be told to either argue civilly or ... just not talk about it at all.

[FoxHound109]

Let's go back to the important arguments...

Kaidan will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?
Kaidan will be a: top or bottom?

Vega will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?
Vega will be a: top or bottom?

Garrus will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?
Garrus will be a: top or bottom?

Ashley will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?

Miranda will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?

Inquiring minds want to know. XD

[shepskisaac]

I just want that final Kaidan confirmation. Thank God good old Raphael Sbarge spillled the beans at the Comic Expo though!

FoxHound109 wrote...

Let's go back to the important arguments...

Kaidan will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?
Kaidan will be a: top or bottom?

Vega will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?
Vega will be a: top or bottom?

Garrus will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?
Garrus will be a: top or bottom?

Ashley will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?

Miranda will be an s/s romance option: yes or no?

Inquiring minds want to know. XD

Kaidan: yes, versatile
Vega: yes, versatile
Garrus: no, I have no idea what he even has down there
Ashley: if they stick to "Liara's not a female" then yes
Miranda: no, she won't even be a squaddie unfortunately I think

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:22 .

[Maugrim]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Bioware's not going to reveal the s/s romances just because us forum readers spit venom at each other about it. Likely we will be told to either argue civilly or ... just not talk about it at all.

Actually it's part of the sticked rules on this forum, which as always most people apparently don't bother to read and/or ignore it.  I think they need to enforce this quoted bit much strictly.  For straight and gay romances thread both, but particularily in the s/s LI threads.

Chris Priestly wrote...

All romances in Mass Effect 3 (as with parts 1 and 2) are optional. If you do not enjoy romance options in games, please stay out of discussions where fans of such romances can discuss them. Mass Effect 3 also has same sex relationships. If you do not enjoy or approve of same sex relationships, please stay out of discussion on these topics.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 20 juillet 2011 - 05:20 .