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#5626
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whywhywhywhy wrote...

I thought about this long and hard and decided it's best for me to not bother posting in this thread anymore. For every one rational post looking to have a discussion I get two to three mocking post looking to incite anger and while they fail they do disrupt my train of thought. So while I was considering many of the valid posts the gravity of those I disagree with concern me.

I think this is a game and games should be fun. Even if that means that you get a toggle to turn everyone bi so you can play it how you like. Or one to turn everyone to traditional gender roles I think games should be about fun and not political statements. Nor meant to challenge your opinions, ideals or Lifestyle choices unless the game's storyline or gameplay is designed for that.

I don't see the offense but I do get that some may feel like they are being marginalized from the option of a toggle. But the reality is people don't have to accept you, they don't have to accept me it is their choice. I'd much rather make 10 friends who want to be friends with me rather then 100 friends made because of and from social pressures.

I stated this earlier and gamer girl responded to it.

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Ok I think I figured out that nonsense. You are asking for us to tolerate you while you are intolerant of homoesxuality. You think my being intolerant of you is showing that I'm being a hypocrite. If I tolerate you, that's showing I tolerate intolerance. If I tolerate what you say, that shows I have no problem with intolerance. However paradoxical it may seem, I can't tolerate your intolerant words because I don't like people who are intolerant of something that is a human right.


I myself have no problem with how people live their lives so long as it doesn't affect my rights, freedoms and etc.

Unknown to Gamer girl is the fact I've had friends take me to gay parades, pull me into parades gay bar hop with them it was wild, a bunch of craziness. I had fun I found them all to be funny, protective(women and men) and I always had a blast. But at the end of the day I'm straight and they knew it, they were homosexual and I knew it.

Their was no agenda we just enjoyed each others company. But I don't think everyone will have had the same experience I've had and tolerance must given otherwise people won't get to know the individual. Not Tolerating intolerance is in fact intolerance, I think so long as one isn't assaulted verbally or physically it's a none issue. As you can catch more flies with honey.

But too many people assault others over their view that's what needs to stop or we will never understand each other.

Anyway here's to hoping BW creates a game we can all enjoy.


Based on things you said in the past on this thread, what you said here was both contradictory, and complete BS. Either that or what you said in the past posts were complete BS. Take your pick of which side you're on, because it seems like you're having a bit of trouble keeping things straight if you keep flip flopping.

Also if what you posted here was what you were trying to convey by writing this:

"If you aren't tolerant of all up to the point of physical and verbal assualt then why should other tolerate you when you don't tolerate them but simply demand that they tolerate you ?  And falling to "fall in line" illicits aggression(as I have seen).  Your asking for what you refuse to give."

you need to learn how to articulate your opinion better because that was confusing wording at its best.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 20 juillet 2011 - 10:21 .


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My bad ass female Shepard would never allow herself to romance a fellow soldier and the wide-eyed Liara is a rare ****** in her armor.


Ha! Main!Shep is just the opposite - she lives her life by this very strong distinction between "soldier" and "civilian," where it's okay for soldiers to bleed and die but if a civilian does so it's because a soldier failed. And she could never be in love with a civilian, never really see herself as an equal to someone she was supposed to protect. So for her Liara was never even on the table, but Ash was incredibly enticing. (Of course she about drove herself insane trying to suppress the attraction because she Does Not Break Regs, but hey, they ain't NCO and commanding officer in ME3 now are they B))

This actually made LotSB really fascinating, because it offers the reveal that a big part of Liara's weirdness in ME2 is her sense that Shepard is always saving and protecting and rescuing her. So if you figure Liara's in love with every Shep (because, well, she is), then it makes perfect sense she'd pick up on the fact that main!Shep won't love her back unless she turns into a fellow "soldier," and feel driven to make herself a harder and less "civilian" person.

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Are we still talking about the Gay Toggle? Ugh... that was so yesterday, can't we look toward the future not the past?

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AngelicMachinery wrote...

Romance initation dialogue

Accept: ******
Deny: No ****** bro.


That still doesn't help when food is involved, though.




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@ gamer_girl -- Leave him alone. If he's telling the truth, he's gone. If he's lying, he doesn't matter. Forget him and discuss with us what we want to be able to do with all those cool gay options FOX News says is going to be in ME3.

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Abispa wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Romance initation dialogue

Accept: ******
Deny: No ****** bro.


That still doesn't help when food is involved, though.





That was giggle worthy indeed.

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Abispa wrote...

@ gamer_girl -- Leave him alone. If he's telling the truth, he's gone. If he's lying, he doesn't matter. Forget him and discuss with us what we want to be able to do with all those cool gay options FOX News says is going to be in ME3.


Haha works for me. :P

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Abispa wrote...

@ gamer_girl -- Leave him alone. If he's telling the truth, he's gone. If he's lying, he doesn't matter. Forget him and discuss with us what we want to be able to do with all those cool gay options FOX News says is going to be in ME3.


I want different sex scenes! I mean, I definitely want scenes like the ME1 ones, not the DA:O/ME2/DA2 ones - a long, interesting, character-developing dialog beforehand, another closing dialog afterward, and something artistic and sensual inbetween, with actual nakedness and deft camera angles instead of hilarious underwear and/or stark, uniform lighting.

But in ME1 there were only two sex animations: m/f (used for both human/human romances) and f/f (used for Liara/femShep). It worked out alright because Ash would totally be on top with dudeShep, and femShep would totally be on top with Kaidan, but I still consider it a missed opportunity to do something artistic and reveal a little more of the character of the relationship (which definitely was something DA2 did well with their sex scenes, and ME2 was decent with). Once you add in the fact that Kaidan and femShep would have completely different sex than Kaidan and dudeShep, just as a sheer issue of mechanics, it becomes an imperative that if you do any sex scene at all, that it consider carefully exactly who's involved.

Modifié par Quething, 20 juillet 2011 - 11:32 .


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Quething wrote...

Abispa wrote...

@ gamer_girl -- Leave him alone. If he's telling the truth, he's gone. If he's lying, he doesn't matter. Forget him and discuss with us what we want to be able to do with all those cool gay options FOX News says is going to be in ME3.


I want different sex scenes! I mean, I definitely want scenes like the ME1 ones, not the DA:O/ME2/DA2 ones - a long, interesting, character-developing dialog beforehand, another closing dialog afterward, and something artistic and sensual inbetween, with actual nakedness and deft camera angles instead of hilarious underwear and/or stark, uniform lighting.

But in ME1 there were only two sex animations: m/f (used for both human/human romances) and f/f (used for Liara/femShep). It worked out alright because Ash would totally be on top with dudeShep, and femShep would totally be on top with Kaidan, but I still consider it a missed opportunity to do something artistic and reveal a little more of the character of the relationship (which definitely was something DA2 did well with their sex scenes, and ME2 was decent with). Once you add in the fact that Kaidan and femShep would have completely different sex than Kaidan and dudeShep, just as a sheer issue of mechanics, it becomes an imperative that if you do any sex scene at all, that it consider carefully exactly who's involved.


I do too. I think people are too sensitive about the topic of sex anyways. I mean cmon, it's not like it's something that doesn't occue in nature. I find it funny that people are less frequesntly grossed out by birth. It's way nastier looking. :pinched:

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Abispa wrote...

I also see that Chun Hei has admitted her desire to see some gay male sex in ME3. Having watched her role playing, I don't get the feeling that it's the same for her as it is for the fanboy who enjoys "HAWT lesbo action." She thinks its wonderful that two characters are allowed to fully express their love for each other and can even get misty about it. However, she has never, to my knowledge, played a lesbian except when metagaming.


Hey! One of the reasons I got my own account is so you would stop editing my posts and speaking for me. I have not cussed as much as YOU have and I have not started any fights with "Miranda is so HAWT" fanboys. Maybe I do not do gay romances because they are wonderful. Maybe I think two guys with muscles, tight butts and big rods getting it on is really HAWT.

Yeah! Two guys is HAWT! Two girls is weird! If Ashley hits on me it will ruin my immersion. We are supposed to be sistas and she cannot be my sista no more. Well we will be sistas if I let her survive on Virmire maybe.

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There's no problem if straight guys think "zomg lesbian sex is so hawt!!!" nor there is a problem if straight women think "zomg gay sex is so hawt!!!". There's only a problem if they go "gimme sum hot lesbian/gay action but keep the other thing outta my game!!!11". :)

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IsaacShep wrote...

There's no problem if straight guys think "zomg lesbian sex is so hawt!!!" nor there is a problem if straight women think "zomg gay sex is so hawt!!!". There's only a problem if they go "gimme sum hot lesbian/gay action but keep the other thing outta my game!!!11". :)


Wow. I actually agree with you on something. 

*waits for the planet to explode* 

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I agree with Quething. One of the things I loved about DA2's sex scenes (admittedly, I've only done Isabella's and watched a vid of Fenris') is that there was lead in dialogue, hot steamyness that played to the character's pesonality (Isabella's pounce of Hawke is really nice ^^) and conversation about their relationship afterwards.
From what I've seen of ME2's (I've never actually done them and have only seen the vids of Tali's, Miranda's, and Garrus') that is all missing. I'm okay with the fade to blacks before the scene gets to any naughty bits.
I'd like the relationships to be a bit more like DA:O's in that theres much more going on throughout the relationship than just ending at the bedroom scene. I compare to DA:O rather than DA2 because the time jumps actually did more to hurt the relationships than build them.

I have full faith in Bio to make s/s relationships as meaningful as o/s ones. They have a good track record of that (show me any other company that even HAS s/s relationships in their games). Even if its 80% carbon copy from their o/s equivalant, I'll still be happy.

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gamer_girl wrote...

I do too. I think people are too sensitive about the topic of sex anyways. I mean cmon, it's not like it's something that doesn't occue in nature. I find it funny that people are less frequesntly grossed out by birth. It's way nastier looking. :pinched:


Theres far, far, stranger things that occur in nature, as well.
I'm looking at you, angler fish.

Seriously, besides looking horrific, their reproductive cycle is just plain WEIRD.

#5640
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IsaacShep wrote...

There's no problem if straight guys think "zomg lesbian sex is so hawt!!!" nor there is a problem if straight women think "zomg gay sex is so hawt!!!". There's only a problem if they go "gimme sum hot lesbian/gay action but keep the other thing outta my game!!!11". :)


Sounds like my stepdad....
Thinks all gay men like little boys (seriously, there's no convincing him otherwise) but owns lesbian porn.

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@ Chun Hei -- Well, EXCUSE me!

gamer_girl wrote...

Quething wrote...

Abispa wrote...

@ gamer_girl -- Leave him alone. If he's telling the truth, he's gone. If he's lying, he doesn't matter. Forget him and discuss with us what we want to be able to do with all those cool gay options FOX News says is going to be in ME3.


I want different sex scenes! I mean, I definitely want scenes like the ME1 ones, not the DA:O/ME2/DA2 ones - a long, interesting, character-developing dialog beforehand, another closing dialog afterward, and something artistic and sensual inbetween, with actual nakedness and deft camera angles instead of hilarious underwear and/or stark, uniform lighting.

But in ME1 there were only two sex animations: m/f (used for both human/human romances) and f/f (used for Liara/femShep). It worked out alright because Ash would totally be on top with dudeShep, and femShep would totally be on top with Kaidan, but I still consider it a missed opportunity to do something artistic and reveal a little more of the character of the relationship (which definitely was something DA2 did well with their sex scenes, and ME2 was decent with). Once you add in the fact that Kaidan and femShep would have completely different sex than Kaidan and dudeShep, just as a sheer issue of mechanics, it becomes an imperative that if you do any sex scene at all, that it consider carefully exactly who's involved.


I do too. I think people are too sensitive about the topic of sex anyways. I mean cmon, it's not like it's something that doesn't occue in nature. I find it funny that people are less frequesntly grossed out by birth. It's way nastier looking. :pinched:

I think the sex scenes were "milder" in ME2 and DA2 because the game makers decided that foreplay is really the best time to see characters express themselves and individualize the scenes. Sure, nude bodies grinding can be fun, but with characters like Thane, Garrus, and Tali the sex is best left up the imagination. My only complaint is that at the very least characters should have been seen taking off their clothes, but apparently you have to work for Cerberus to know how.

Poor Garrus is so green, though. I waits until AFTER Shepard takes a shower and gets her entire uniform on before making his move.

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ArawnNox wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

I do too. I think people are too sensitive about the topic of sex anyways. I mean cmon, it's not like it's something that doesn't occue in nature. I find it funny that people are less frequesntly grossed out by birth. It's way nastier looking. :pinched:


Theres far, far, stranger things that occur in nature, as well.
I'm looking at you, angler fish.

Seriously, besides looking horrific, their reproductive cycle is just plain WEIRD.


Check out the "Green Porno" videos starring Isabella Rouselini. Educational, low budget, and disturbing at times.

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Ryzaki wrote...

Wow. I actually agree with you on something. 

*waits for the planet to explode*

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Green Porno made me hate male ducks. Bastards.

#5645
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Abispa wrote...

@ Chun Hei -- Well, EXCUSE me!

gamer_girl wrote...

Quething wrote...

Abispa wrote...

@ gamer_girl -- Leave him alone. If he's telling the truth, he's gone. If he's lying, he doesn't matter. Forget him and discuss with us what we want to be able to do with all those cool gay options FOX News says is going to be in ME3.


I want different sex scenes! I mean, I definitely want scenes like the ME1 ones, not the DA:O/ME2/DA2 ones - a long, interesting, character-developing dialog beforehand, another closing dialog afterward, and something artistic and sensual inbetween, with actual nakedness and deft camera angles instead of hilarious underwear and/or stark, uniform lighting.

But in ME1 there were only two sex animations: m/f (used for both human/human romances) and f/f (used for Liara/femShep). It worked out alright because Ash would totally be on top with dudeShep, and femShep would totally be on top with Kaidan, but I still consider it a missed opportunity to do something artistic and reveal a little more of the character of the relationship (which definitely was something DA2 did well with their sex scenes, and ME2 was decent with). Once you add in the fact that Kaidan and femShep would have completely different sex than Kaidan and dudeShep, just as a sheer issue of mechanics, it becomes an imperative that if you do any sex scene at all, that it consider carefully exactly who's involved.


I do too. I think people are too sensitive about the topic of sex anyways. I mean cmon, it's not like it's something that doesn't occue in nature. I find it funny that people are less frequesntly grossed out by birth. It's way nastier looking. :pinched:

I think the sex scenes were "milder" in ME2 and DA2 because the game makers decided that foreplay is really the best time to see characters express themselves and individualize the scenes. Sure, nude bodies grinding can be fun, but with characters like Thane, Garrus, and Tali the sex is best left up the imagination. My only complaint is that at the very least characters should have been seen taking off their clothes, but apparently you have to work for Cerberus to know how.

Poor Garrus is so green, though. I waits until AFTER Shepard takes a shower and gets her entire uniform on before making his move.


Haha pretty much. Still would it really hurt to see some alien skin? Not like I wanna see privates or anything (truthfully who even knows where they are), but it wouldn't be the end of the world if there was some skin exposure.

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IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Wow. I actually agree with you on something. 

*waits for the planet to explode*


SNIP.





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Abispa wrote...
Sure, nude bodies grinding can be fun, but with characters like Thane, Garrus, and Tali the sex is best left up the imagination.

Frankly, that's the reason IMO sex scenes in ME2 are what they are. Tali, Thane & Garrus are just heads sitched on always fully-clothed slighty unusual bodies. They probably don't even have full naked bodies designed, not even talking about the textures created for the actual models. And then there's the entire thing about not showing even the face of Tali clearly. ME1 romances were with 2 humans - no need to design human body obviously - and Liara, who has a human body painted blue. Because of the fact Tali, Garrus & Thane romance wouldn't get nude sex-scenes, they most likely decided it won't be fair if people who romanced humans got that.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 juillet 2011 - 12:08 .


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IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Wow. I actually agree with you on something. 

*waits for the planet to explode*


Snip!


Maybe Shepard, Kaidan and LEGION have have a threesome.

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Chun Hei wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Wow. I actually agree with you on something. 

*waits for the planet to explode*


Snip!


Maybe Shepard, Kaidan and LEGION have have a threesome.


Wow that would be painful to have Legion involved. I can only imagine the battle wounds. :pinched:

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You can't have a threesome with Legion. By nature, any sex with Legion starts as a several-hundred person orgy.