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[gamer_girl]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...


Ya it's kind of stupid. It's the same in reality. If a girl sleeps around they're labeled as a ****, and if a guy does it, they get the hero treatment. <_<

It's not only a double standard,  it's confusing.

Women are considered ****s if they enjoy sex,  but,  we're labeled as frigid if we don't "put out."  There's no way to win sometimes.

^One reason why being a lesbian would be a good idea. XP
At least other women are pretty much guaranteed to not objectify women.

Edit
Sidenote - Just got my free LoZ OoT soundtrack from Nintendo. I'm so excited that I just had to mention it.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 21 juillet 2011 - 04:33 .

[shepskisaac]

Knight of Dane wrote...
Besides you help too Isaac, can't help but like you a little bit.

Aww what can I say, yes, I'm amazing!  j/k haha

[CrookedAsylum]

ladyofpayne wrote...


-snip-
Kaidan is our BI! 
 

You know... I'd make a male Shepard for that piece of hot. Just sayin'.

[bleetman]

Jimmy Fury wrote...

But then with the ME2 squaddies being cameos due to death potential I also have my doubts about any of them being full romances this time around.

If they only added in an acceptable level of romance (or otherwise) related content for characters that haven't had a chance to die yet, the only one who'd get any attention would be Liara. I'm sure it'll be fine. It's not like "full romance" content amounted to much in ME2, anyway. It shouldn't be too hard to replicate it, even if a character only appears briefly.

I'm largely assuming we'll get the whole band back together for the final sequence. Or hoping so, anyway. It'd be fantastic.

Modifié par bleetman, 21 juillet 2011 - 04:35 .

[ElitePinecone]

IsaacShep wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

I don't think Liara threatens anyone when it comes to s/s (or specifically a f/f relationship) - Bioware seem very keen to push the line that Liara and femShep isn't a lesbian relationship.

And everybody knows it was just a nonsense excuse to explain why FemShep can be a lesbian but ManShep can't be gay. Now that they don't need to pretend anything, I question whether they will continue that.

Yeah, true - I can't remember the last time a Bioware dev called the relationship 'alien' instead of 'lesbian', but I'm fairly sure it was quite recently. 

But I do think they'll give female players a female human option (and ditto for the m/m one), because I don't think the reaction to players getting a same-gendered alien as the s/s love interest would go down well. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of fans of, say, Garrus out there, but to me at least it would seem like an attempt to avoid controversy by making the relationship technically xenophilic rather than homosexual. 

DA2 was (despite its many flaws) a great example of diverse romance options that didn't boil down to, for the m/m and f/f options, 'promiscuous bisexual elf' and 'promiscuous nun/thief/spy'. As much as I personally don't find Vega at all attractive, the best I can say for him is that he defies the usual convention and that's probably a good thing if he is indeed a bisexual love interest. Though I highly doubt he is. 

[Jimmy Fury]

ElitePinecone wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

I don't think Liara threatens anyone when it comes to s/s (or specifically a f/f relationship) - Bioware seem very keen to push the line that Liara and femShep isn't a lesbian relationship.

And everybody knows it was just a nonsense excuse to explain why FemShep can be a lesbian but ManShep can't be gay. Now that they don't need to pretend anything, I question whether they will continue that.

Yeah, true - I can't remember the last time a Bioware dev called the relationship 'alien' instead of 'lesbian', but I'm fairly sure it was quite recently. 

But I do think they'll give female players a female human option (and ditto for the m/m one), because I don't think the reaction to players getting a same-gendered alien as the s/s love interest would go down well. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of fans of, say, Garrus out there, but to me at least it would seem like an attempt to avoid controversy by making the relationship technically xenophilic rather than homosexual. 

That doesn't take the VS into account.
If Ash is a s/s option there will be a human f/f option.

[ElitePinecone]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
That doesn't take the VS into account.
If Ash is a s/s option there will be a human f/f option.

Of course. But Hudson's tweets about the romances have mostly emphasised that they're working on new characters, and that the s/s won't 'necessarily' be with familiar ones. 

It's reasonably likely Ashley and Kaidan will be available, but I'm fully expecting at least one or two new characters as well. 

[Finis Valorum]

bleetman wrote...

If they're trying to learn from the... let's just say response to DA2, I predict there'll be bi-sexual women rappelling down from the ceiling and pouring through every door, all of whom are hot for Shepard and only Shepard, but no homosexual men whatsoever.

I say this because Anders calling male characters "scruffy" was apparently an intolerable affront to heterosexuality everywhere. Isabela hitting on Hawke half a dozen times was fine. Isabela hitting on anyone else made her a ****, though.

Double standards are amazing.

This is exactly what I expect from the ME3 dev. team though technically those women wouldn't be bi but Shepardsexual.
I liked the all bi approach Da2 took to romance, it finally gave me some real choice, unfortunately it doesn't seem likely that ME3 will repeat that considering the ME3 dev team we'll be lucky to get Vega as the token bisexual male.
Ideally how and if a love interest approaches the player character should be decided based upon their their personality, for example a shy girl might never work up the courage to approach the Hero on her own while a hot but adorkable guy might go about it in a rather clumsy way while characters like Isabela and Zevran should flirt with pretty much anything that walks including our heroes.
That said I can make peace with having to do all the work to start a romance in game myself so long as it is free of the double standard, if the women keep throwing themselves at my feet while I must approach all eligible guys at least thrice before they'll even acknowledge me I won't be all that happy. 

FoxHound109 wrote...

I'm curious to know...

How many people posting in this thread are straight girls?

How many are straight guys?

How many are gay gals?

How many are gay men?

I'm a gay guy...

Everyone else?

Predominantly gay guy here.

ElitePinecone wrote...

But I do think they'll give female
players a female human option (and ditto for the m/m one), because I
don't think the reaction to players getting a same-gendered alien as
the s/s love interest would go down well. Don't get me wrong, there's
plenty of fans of, say, Garrus out there, but to me at least it would
seem like an attempt to avoid controversy by making the relationship
technically xenophilic rather than homosexual. 

Which is exactly why the ME3 devs and EA marketing might prefer to take this route who knows we might make first contact with the all male looking offshoot of the Asari race. (I can't get it ouf my mind since seeing IsaacSheps drawing).

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 21 juillet 2011 - 05:00 .

[shepskisaac]

OMG I just saw my fanart I've sent for the Comic-Con Fanart Showcase on one of the Livestream recordings from yesterday!!!  :O:O But they of course were laughing it was Kaidan and male Shepard <_< So mature BioWare <_<

[Jimmy Fury]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Jimmy Fury wrote...
That doesn't take the VS into account.
If Ash is a s/s option there will be a human f/f option.

Of course. But Hudson's tweets about the romances have mostly emphasised that they're working on new characters, and that the s/s won't 'necessarily' be with familiar ones. 

It's reasonably likely Ashley and Kaidan will be available, but I'm fully expecting at least one or two new characters as well.

If you're talking about the tweets posted back here, I would disagree. He never specified new characters at all, let alone emphasized them. He only ever mentioned "New LI's" and that could be anything from new characters to old characters that weren't LI's before, or even new possiblities with old LI's. Kaidan would technically be a new LI for m!Shep.
Obvsiously if there are tweets I've missed I'd be interested in seeing them though.

Although It's likely that I'm just prejudiced. Too many LI's will cripple their stories and be ME2 all over again.

[Finis Valorum]

IsaacShep wrote...

OMG I just saw my fanart I've sent for the Comic-Con Fanart Showcase on one of the Livestream recordings from yesterday!!!  :O:O But they of course were laughing it was Kaidan and male Shepard <_< So mature BioWare <_<

Bah, Kaidan and Sheploo will always be the canon pairing in ME for me even if though they're most likely never going to give us the option to express it in game.

Modifié par Finis Valorum, 21 juillet 2011 - 05:08 .

[Rinji the Bearded]

IsaacShep wrote...

OMG I just saw my fanart I've sent for the Comic-Con Fanart Showcase on one of the Livestream recordings from yesterday!!!  :O:O But they of course were laughing it was Kaidan and male Shepard <_< So mature BioWare <_<

Laughing?  Pfft.

EDIT: which video was it?

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 21 juillet 2011 - 05:15 .

[ElitePinecone]

Jimmy Fury wrote...
snip

I took the tweet "Some game sites saying "previously straight chars now available for both m&f chars" not necessarily true. Will have some new LI's in #ME3" as leaving open the possibility for 'old' LIs to become available while emphasising the new ones. 

I don't think 'new LIs' mean 'new options with old LIs', he went to some length to reject the "previously straight chars now available for both m&f chars' line.

Obviously that dosen't rule out previously available love interests being an option for both genders; lines like "preserve character continuity" and saying the 'what, hows and whys' of romances in response to a question on old LIs being available for both genders seem to hint that it may indeed be an option. 

And then there's Sbarge's disputed line, while I'm not inclined to take it as any sort of confirmation at the very least it's something worth considering. 

[ladyofpayne]

IsaacShep wrote...

OMG I just saw my fanart I've sent for the Comic-Con Fanart Showcase on one of the Livestream recordings from yesterday!!!  :O:O But they of course were laughing it was Kaidan and male Shepard <_< So mature BioWare <_<

Where is your fanart on Devian art?

[shepskisaac]

RinjiRenee wrote...

Laughing?  Pfft.

EDIT: which video was it?

The longest livestream from yesterday, the one that's 1:06:23 long. At 54 minutes mark, one guy goes through different fanarts and stumbles upon mine and bursts out laughing <_<

I've sent this:

ladyofpayne wrote...

Where is your fanart on Devian art?

My account: http://isaacshep.deviantart.com/

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 juillet 2011 - 05:27 .

[ipgd]

IsaacShep wrote...

The longest livestream from yesterday, the one that's 1:06:23 long. At 54 minutes mark, one guy goes through different fanarts and stumbles upon mine and bursts out laughing <_<

It is kinda funny.

[shepskisaac]

ipgd wrote...

It is kinda funny.

Doubt anyone would consider this funny <_<

[AngelicMachinery]

IsaacShep wrote...

ipgd wrote...

It is kinda funny.

Doubt anyone would consider this funny <_<

Cuddling with body armor and rifles is kind of funny,  Shepard and Miranda look like they're waiting to die.

[ArawnNox]

ElitePinecone wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

I don't think Liara threatens anyone when it comes to s/s (or specifically a f/f relationship) - Bioware seem very keen to push the line that Liara and femShep isn't a lesbian relationship.

And everybody knows it was just a nonsense excuse to explain why FemShep can be a lesbian but ManShep can't be gay. Now that they don't need to pretend anything, I question whether they will continue that.

Yeah, true - I can't remember the last time a Bioware dev called the relationship 'alien' instead of 'lesbian', but I'm fairly sure it was quite recently. 

But I do think they'll give female players a female human option (and ditto for the m/m one), because I don't think the reaction to players getting a same-gendered alien as the s/s love interest would go down well. Don't get me wrong, there's plenty of fans of, say, Garrus out there, but to me at least it would seem like an attempt to avoid controversy by making the relationship technically xenophilic rather than homosexual. 

DA2 was (despite its many flaws) a great example of diverse romance options that didn't boil down to, for the m/m and f/f options, 'promiscuous bisexual elf' and 'promiscuous nun/thief/spy'. As much as I personally don't find Vega at all attractive, the best I can say for him is that he defies the usual convention and that's probably a good thing if he is indeed a bisexual love interest. Though I highly doubt he is. 

Hey, for all we know he spends his leave in bars, getting drunk, and picking up girls.
Just playing devils advocate.

[Ryzaki]

I wish I could draw. I would've drawn Shepard and Kaidan having a biotic showdown.

[ipgd]

IsaacShep wrote...
Doubt anyone would consider this funny <_<

[snip]

If Shepard were clinging to Miranda's leg with a big Georgia O'Keeffe flower in the background, maybe.

Modifié par ipgd, 21 juillet 2011 - 05:42 .

[James2912]

Ryzaki wrote...

I wish I could draw. I would've drawn Shepard and Kaidan having a biotic showdown.

I would draw Joker in a robo suit that looks like transformers robot. And he would say whose crippled now! 

Modifié par James2912, 21 juillet 2011 - 05:45 .

[shepskisaac]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Cuddling with body armor and rifles is kind of funny,  Shepard and Miranda look like they're waiting to die.

I wanted it to be like 80s space operas The heroes in old sci-fi flicks were often cuddling their women holding rifles, I just replaced a woman with another man Doubt they would laugh like that had I put Miranda with a pistol there in place of Kaidan...

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 juillet 2011 - 05:46 .

[devSin]

IsaacShep wrote...

The longest livestream from yesterday, the one that's 1:06:23 long. At 54 minutes mark, one guy goes through different fanarts and stumbles upon mine and bursts out laughing

And you wonder why you can't have nice things.

It's because the reaction of most people is still that you're some kind of joke. :-(

[Ryzaki]

James2912 wrote...
I would draw Joker in a robo suit that looks like transformers robot. And he would say whose crippled now! 

 

That would be awesome.