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[Ryzaki]

jbblue05 wrote...
If Biioware made some characters strictly gay they would suffer WAY more backlash than they are for not having S/S romacnes

Plus if everyone is Bicurious its not fair to the Straight and Strictly gay crowd because they have twice as many LI's

But it's okay for their to be straight only LIs?  Even if the character ends up being derailed and forced into a heterosexual romance? Really? What happened to the character consistency you were holding up a moment ago? 

Uh...no. Everyone would have the same exact amount of LIs. Like they do in DA2. Everyone has 4 LIs. If you want to restrict yourself to m/f or s/s you end up with 2 choices. It's equal. Ra forbid you don't get a bigger chunk of the pie.

[jbblue05]

octoberfire wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Darkhour wrote...
I don't know why people can't just get their new gay romances and insist on butchering established characters who they know damn well aren't gay.

You don't know what these characters exact sexual orientation is. Period. You can say how many times you want "they're straight! you know it!" and it still won't be a fact. They. Never. Declare. It. Themselves.

Bioware shouldn't make all characters gay just for them to be gay.

Making everybody gay is butchering the characters to appease a certain crowd.

Making some of the crew stragiht and some bicurious should be the middle ground for Bioware.

1. NO character has been gay in a BioWare game. They were either straight or bisexual.
2. Read #1
3. Bicurious? That's not even an orientation. I don't want any of the female LIs to suddenly take notes from Katy Perry. "I kissed a girl and I liked it"? No thanks. Also, we know next to nothing about s/s romances right now. Stop overreacting.

bicurious means they aren't sure and want to know what its like to be with someone of the same gender.

When I say gay I mean turning all straight characters bisexual

[Ryzaki]

Darkhour wrote...

So if Zevran was female only in DA3 we'd just chalk it up to our own ignorance. Let's face, we didn't create him. Maybe he was just experimenting with guys and finally realized he doesn't like men. We don't know. Derp!
 
Could you please answer my question? Why can't you just be happy with new characters? Why do you insist on changing previously establish heterosexuals into homosexuals? 

If Zevran was an LI in DA3 period we'd have a lt more to worry about than his sexuality. <_< (like why is he cheating on the Warden.) 

You know...I was on your side first. But now...I'm wondering if I sound like you. I don't want to sound like you. You're raging not making much sense...and yeah. *switches sides*

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 juin 2011 - 08:10 .

[Siansonea]

It's getting kind of heated in here. I suggest a rainbow cookie break.

[Rinji the Bearded]

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[Ryzaki]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I think some might be able to benefit from this link.

I could kiss you right now I loved this show. 

[jlb524]

Ryzaki wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ash's explanation as to why she's now open for an s/s relationship should only matter to those pursuing a possible s/s relationship with her....I'm not sure why it's of such a concern to those that never will and will stick to the o/s relationship.

 

To me it's a concern if it's brought up like Tali where she has a crush on my Shepard that I did not want to know. If Shepard had initated the romance (and crush dialogue) with something obviously romantic I'd have been fine. But it was shoved in my face. I dislike that. I disliked it in ME1 and I disliked it in ME2 and I know I'll dislike it in ME3. If she and Kaidan only bring it up after I pick the obvious romance choice is obvious dialogue branch I won't care. On the other hand I do't want to have normal conversation and then be hit with a "uh...so commander?" No. It's not wanted (for anyone including Kaidan and Ash). 

I'm assuming these romances will be Shepard initiated in ME3.  In that case, I'm not sure why it then matters.

[Eternal Dust]

Cookie break

[jlb524]

jbblue05 wrote...

Plus if everyone is Bicurious its not fair to the Straight and Strictly gay crowd because they have twice as many LI's

But it's fair to say, have loads of heterosexual only LIs and one bisexual?  That's what they've done in the past...is that also fair?

[Ryzaki]

jlb524 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ash's explanation as to why she's now open for an s/s relationship should only matter to those pursuing a possible s/s relationship with her....I'm not sure why it's of such a concern to those that never will and will stick to the o/s relationship.

 

To me it's a concern if it's brought up like Tali where she has a crush on my Shepard that I did not want to know. If Shepard had initated the romance (and crush dialogue) with something obviously romantic I'd have been fine. But it was shoved in my face. I dislike that. I disliked it in ME1 and I disliked it in ME2 and I know I'll dislike it in ME3. If she and Kaidan only bring it up after I pick the obvious romance choice is obvious dialogue branch I won't care. On the other hand I do't want to have normal conversation and then be hit with a "uh...so commander?" No. It's not wanted (for anyone including Kaidan and Ash). 

I'm assuming these romances will be Shepard initiated in ME3.  In that case, I'm not sure why it then matters.

 

In that scenario it doesn't matter. 

if on the other hand it plays more like Tali's romance than Garrus' it matters a great deal to me. 

[bleetman]

octoberfire wrote...

Cookie break

*snip*

I just tried to bite my screen

[Abispa]

My male Shepard is staying with Ashley, and my female Shepard will stay with Kaidan. That said, it doesn't bother me one whit whether or not someone else has a homosexual relationship with either party member since that's how they want to play and Bioware appears to be willing to cater to that demographic. So long as there are NOT dozens of well-written scenes between Shepard and party member that can only be seen if you're playing snuggle-bunnies with them (especially if they aren't romantic in nature), I've got no problems, and I don't understand how anyone else may.

Garrus and Tali weren't available for snuggle-bunnies in the first game, but they were an option in ME2. Why? Fans wanted it. More power to them, but I was unhappy that I had to stare at a picture while going through the relay. Some fans were catered to, and others were "cheated." But it was still a good game that did the important things right; I got to blow up lots of ****. As I said before, if romancing is the make or break feature of ME3, the game is going to be a failure.

Modifié par Abispa, 14 juin 2011 - 08:18 .

[shepskisaac]

jlb524 wrote...
I'm assuming these romances will be Shepard initiated in ME3.  In that case, I'm not sure why it then matters.

Casey already confirmed s/s romances are reactive to how the players interact with the characters in-game.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 juin 2011 - 08:19 .

[Ryzaki]

CaptainIsabela wrote...
S/S crushes happen in r/l. Does it not make the game more true to life, which I believe has been a complaint of past romances for BW?

 

And it's a game. I don't want any forced "oh I have a crush on you." unless I can react in disgust or derision (male or female regardless of the sexuality) if we want to be so "true to life." 

[Eternal Dust]

bleetman wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Cookie break

*snip*

I just tried to bite my screen

[jbblue05]

Ryzaki wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
If Biioware made some characters strictly gay they would suffer WAY more backlash than they are for not having S/S romacnes

Plus if everyone is Bicurious its not fair to the Straight and Strictly gay crowd because they have twice as many LI's

But it's okay for their to be straight only LIs?  Even if the character ends up being derailed and forced into a heterosexual romance? Really? What happened to the character consistency you were holding up a moment ago? 

Uh...no. Everyone would have the same exact amount of LIs. Like they do in DA2. Everyone has 4 LIs. If you want to restrict yourself to m/f or s/s you end up with 2 choices. It's equal. Ra forbid you don't get a bigger chunk of the pie.

If Bioware is caving into pressure from the gay crowd it would be a lot worse if straight people felt like they are forced to be gay  or play as someone of the opposite sex

I think Leliana was derailed into being interested in men. I knew deep down she was a lesbo, but was made straight to appease to straight crowd.

DA2 did not have an equal amount of LI's  4 for bisexuals 2 for straight and Gays.

:LI's will never be equal in a Bioware game unless characters are strictly gay and straight

Plus Majority rules most people that play Bioware's games are straight males

[Ryzaki]

CaptainIsabela wrote...
Yuo misinterpret me. I am not saying I want a more r/l game - I am saying people who have b!tch and moaned about s/s or bi romances/characters in the past, have used 'it wouldn't happen it r/l' as an arguement a lot

 

Ah. I'm not using that arguement (frankly RL went out the window the second Asari came on the screen). 

[Ryzaki]

jbblue05 wrote...
If Bioware is caving into pressure from the gay crowd it would be a lot worse if straight people felt like they are forced to be gay  or play as someone of the opposite sex

I think Leliana was derailed into being interested in men. I knew deep down she was a lesbo, but was made straight to appease to straight crowd.

DA2 did not have an equal amount of LI's  4 for bisexuals 2 for straight and Gays.

:LI's will never be equal in a Bioware game unless characters are strictly gay and straight

Plus Majority rules most people that play Bioware's games are straight males

Oh? So it's better if the opposite is true? 

So instead of wanting gay or straight LIs you want to get all the toys and deny them to others. That's real nice. 

Majority rules? As David Gaider said Romances are for EVERYONE not just the "straight males". 

[Darkhour]

Ryzaki wrote...


What previously established traits does making Tali gay contradict? She's not even human! Where did she *EVER* indicate an interest in human males? 

 
When she started flirting with Shepard.. and banged him. Liara saw that she digged Shepard since their days on the Normandy. Shadow broke files on her. Kelly's observations.  

When does Garrus "I can't tell a human male from female" Vakarian ever show any interest in human females other than the "femshep" relationship?(Garrus should never have been an option) When does Miranda show any distain toward bestiality? I guess she should be into Urz in ME3, right.  

Hell she doesn't even show an interest in Quarian males! I guess her romancing Kal'Reeger if she didn't romance Shepard would be a RETCON! 

Funny, I'd think you people would be first to jump on a Tali/Kal'reager relationship if you didn't romance her. You seem to see romance in every situation.  I guess only if it's gay romance you see in everything.

So, why didn't Tali come on to "femshe" like she does with Shepard? Oh, right.. because she IS NOT gay. "Femshep" is a canon lesbian. If Tali is a close friend I'm pretty sure she knows, what with the Liara, Kelly and Sha'ira flings.   

Modifié par Darkhour, 14 juin 2011 - 09:04 .