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[FoxHound109]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

His backstory is similar to Shepard's backstory, that's kind of the point.  The other things are subjective, I thought his loyalty mission was one of the best personally.

That's not really a point in his favor. I think Shepard's backstory is boring as heck too, and the only thing that makes him/her interesting is the fact the things he/she is doing through the games.

Personally, his loyalty mission seemed the most boring to me. Especially compared to Samara's and Mordin's. Those two characters reveal depth in their missions and I don't think Jacob really does.

[upsettingshorts]

FoxHound109 wrote...

That's not really a point in his favor. I think Shepard's backstory is boring as heck too, and the only thing that makes him/her interesting is the fact the things he/she is doing through the games.

That's the Shepard backstory I'm referring to.  Jacob did some stuff to help the Alliance, but was given the run around.  Jacob did some stuff to help the Council, but they covered it up.  Jacob wants to actually do stuff, but the only group doing anything is Cerberus. 

As such, when they meet in Mass Effect 2, they have similar reasons for being where they are.  

FoxHound109 wrote...

Personally, his loyalty mission seemed the most boring to me. Especially compared to Samara's and Mordin's. Those two characters reveal depth in their missions and I don't think Jacob really does.

I'd put his below those two, but I wouldn't say the missions usually add much character. 

I liked Jacob's mission because it had an Apocalypse Now feel to it.  Well, closer to Heart of Darkness but I want to avoid any unintentional skin-color related implications.

[Siansonea]

I think Jacob could have been so much more than he was, if the writers had really played up the fact that working with Cerberus was a reeeally big deal. Jacob needed to be the one who convinced Shepard that it was the only real choice, because Jacob had come to the same conclusion. They made some attempts to do this with Jacob, but it wasn't enough. It was like Jacob was trying to convince Shepard to switch long-distance carriers.

[gamer_girl]

Ryzaki wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

I deslike Hale's acting, but I don't hate her. I think hating someone is silly.

...except if this someone is a raper or a murderer or, ahm, stuff.

Clarification: I don't hate her, I hate her voice acting.

This. 

I don't even hate her VA. I just hate it in ME. I love Bastila and Naomi.  But with FemShep...it's just off. And I keep comparing her to Meer and while some lines are said much better to me a lot more  are sound alot worse. 

Never played KOTOR so I wouldn't know.

[FoxHound109]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

That's the Shepard backstory I'm referring to.  Jacob did some stuff to help the Alliance, but was given the run around.  Jacob did some stuff to help the Council, but they covered it up.  Jacob wants to actually do stuff, but the only group doing anything is Cerberus. 

As such, when they meet in Mass Effect 2, they have similar reasons for being where they are.

Ah, I see! Fair enough! 

I'd put his below those two, but I wouldn't say the missions usually add much character. 

I liked Jacob's mission because it had an Apocalypse Now feel to it.  Well, closer to Heart of Darkness but I want to avoid any unintentional skin-color related implications.

I'm not sure how true that is. In the case of Mordin, we had a hilarious set of encounters and a hint at his own morality, but it's only truly developed in his loyalty mission. Mordin went from a great character to a spectacular character the moment I encountered the body of the female Krogan. Samara too really develops further: she tells you a lot about Morinth and herself early on, but it's only in the end of the mission where she admits that she partly admires Morinth, telling you she "just killed the brightest of her daughters." It's kind of awesome...and the same goes for Miranda. Her mission made her human, as did Tali's (pardon the "human" part).

I felt like Jacob's mission lacked any kind of resolution that made him grow as a character. I felt like it was very: "okay, my dad is now dead/taken away. Whatevs."

Modifié par FoxHound109, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:11 .

[gamer_girl]

Personally Jacob's loyalty mission is the only one that I say "Ah crap gotta do this thing again" on the 'n'th time playing ME2. It was very drawn out, and quite boring in my opinion.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:13 .

[FoxHound109]

Not start shameless self-promotion, but I just remembered that I wrote this article a week or two back about equality in video games, focusing precisely on homosexuality, and it includes a lot of Bioware stuff. It's a little tl;dr but I hope some of you enjoy it...

http://sflchronicle....pacing-reality/

Modifié par FoxHound109, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:16 .

[MACharlie1]

gamer_girl wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

I deslike Hale's acting, but I don't hate her. I think hating someone is silly.

...except if this someone is a raper or a murderer or, ahm, stuff.

Clarification: I don't hate her, I hate her voice acting.

This. 

I don't even hate her VA. I just hate it in ME. I love Bastila and Naomi.  But with FemShep...it's just off. And I keep comparing her to Meer and while some lines are said much better to me a lot more  are sound alot worse. 

Never played KOTOR so I wouldn't know.

Please view.
(Ignore the music and what they are wearing) 

[gamer_girl]

MACharlie1 wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

gamer_girl wrote...

Dhiro wrote...

I deslike Hale's acting, but I don't hate her. I think hating someone is silly.

...except if this someone is a raper or a murderer or, ahm, stuff.

Clarification: I don't hate her, I hate her voice acting.

This. 

I don't even hate her VA. I just hate it in ME. I love Bastila and Naomi.  But with FemShep...it's just off. And I keep comparing her to Meer and while some lines are said much better to me a lot more  are sound alot worse. 

Never played KOTOR so I wouldn't know.

Please view.
(Ignore the music and what they are wearing) 

Wow she's way better in that. Why such a change as Shep? Shep's voice sounds so emotionless and disconnected. This actually has substance.

Modifié par gamer_girl, 24 juillet 2011 - 08:47 .

[Cuddlezarro]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Upsettingshorts wrote...

His backstory is similar to Shepard's backstory, that's kind of the point.  The other things are subjective, I thought his loyalty mission was one of the best personally.

That's not really a point in his favor. I think Shepard's backstory is boring as heck too, and the only thing that makes him/her interesting is the fact the things he/she is doing through the games.

Personally, his loyalty mission seemed the most boring to me. Especially compared to Samara's and Mordin's. Those two characters reveal depth in their missions and I don't think Jacob really does.

also Jacob doesnt really talk about his time with either group and whatnot...

seriously though take legion on jacobs loyalty mission its pretty freaking funny

[FoxHound109]

But that's because Legion makes ANY loyalty mission funny. LOL.

[Cuddlezarro]

FoxHound109 wrote...

But that's because Legion makes ANY loyalty mission funny. LOL.

well yes

ever try hacking him into the game after freedoms progress? he has *tons* of cut mission dialogue (tali has tons as well hell if you take her with garrus to horizon Kaidan mentions her as well as garrus when he says he cant beleive your working for cerberus)

[Chun Hei]

Upsettingshorts wrote...

I think it kind of sucks that Jacob's entire character is so often and easily summarized with "boring" and links to the prize meme.

DLC aside, he's the only character who asks Shepard - well, female Shepard - how she feels about anything.

...that and his role as a mirror for Shepard, the ambivalent-about-Cerberus ex-Alliance guy, is a valuable one in the context of the narrative.  Unless of course you ignore him, or are turned off by Jennifer Hale's absurd delivery.  I wouldn't blame anyone for the latter.

Jacob doesn't need Shepard to fix his personal issues with his or her BioWare Protagonist Sex Organ - unlike pretty much everyone else - so he's boring, I suppose.

You are are so right!

[bleetman]

Actually, he's boring because he never does anything interesting. He's done interesting stuff in the past, but won't talk about it beyond vague descriptions. Much like Liara's original ME2 cameo, he's something of a victim of "what do you mean people haven't read the comics?"syndrome, and ho boy does he suffer for it.

[Abispa]

Wow, we can't go out to lunch without having to read through a dozen new pages?

Hmm, Jacob is alright, though I would LOVE to have a scene that was the opposite of the "nice" dialogue between him and female Shepard (By the way, why did that have to be romance exclusive?). Shepard drilling him for abandoning the Alliance. Jacob raging about all the red tape of the Alliance.

It REALLY bugs me how many Alliance personnel just seem to be able to join a black ops terrorist organization so easily. "Joker, you left the US Air Force?" "Damn right, they took away my airplane, but Al Qaidia said THEY'D give me a plane! Hell yeah, I signed up!" Dr. Chakwas must've signed on when she got blasted on shore leave.

As for Hale, I think she's a wonderful VA, but there are moments where she puts too much into a performance. One is the Jacob incident. Another was the confrontation with Aria after she told her Omega's one rule. Both Shepard can say, "I have a similar rule," but Meer delivered it appropriately dry so when the Batarian threatened to throw him out an airlock I got the vibe the he was thinking, "Yeah, whatever." Hale delivered it forcefully as a challenge, so when the Batarian threatened her and she didn't respond it sounded like she had been successfully beaten down verbally.

I think Meer did a better job with the "all business" scenes and Hale (usually) did a better job at personal conversations.

To keep this on subject, I'll close by saying that I am hoping that the romance options on Jacob are made wide open, because as my buddies would say, the brother needs some play!

[Chun Hei]

If Jacob is not a s/s option in ME3 somebody better show me how to mod. Jacob and hot gay sex. That is not a request it is a demand!

[Abispa]

Chun Hei wrote...

If Jacob is not a s/s option in ME3 somebody better show me how to mod. Jacob and hot gay sex. That is not a request it is a demand!

I thought you wanted Jacob to hook up with Kasumi?

[Chun Hei]

Abispa wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

If Jacob is not a s/s option in ME3 somebody better show me how to mod. Jacob and hot gay sex. That is not a request it is a demand!

I thought you wanted Jacob to hook up with Kasumi?

I have the right to be inconsistant.

[Abispa]

Cuddlezarro wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

But that's because Legion makes ANY loyalty mission funny. LOL.

well yes

ever try hacking him into the game after freedoms progress? he has *tons* of cut mission dialogue (tali has tons as well hell if you take her with garrus to horizon Kaidan mentions her as well as garrus when he says he cant beleive your working for cerberus)

KAIDAN: Liara? What are YOU doing on Horizon?

LIARA: *Sigh.* Mods. Just be glad I'm still wearing clothes.

[Bonereaver Karraji]

*Do NOT post your Hate rants here. Doing so will automatically make you friendly with the Banhammer*

Modifié par javierabegazo, 25 juillet 2011 - 02:49 .

[FoxHound109]

Bonereaver Karraji wrote...

...God made Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve.

I'm sure Steve would be appalled to hear that God didn't make him...

[KawaiiKatie]

Inflammatory content reported. Please, everyone, just ignore and move on.

[Bonereaver Karraji]

That is very inappropriate I am just stating my opinion just like everyone else.
I take that to offense.

[Russalka]

Oh, just ignore it.

[James2912]

Grasping at topics here while trying not to laugh at the logic. Uhmm well uh does anybody want the emo frog thane as an s/s li?

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