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[TheMarshal]

Siansonea II wrote...

With all this hubbub about FemShep lately, it might be good to talk about the girls side of the s/s subject, we've been talkin' about the boy's side for awhile now. Who's everyone's favorite existing LI choice for f/f? And what type of new girl would you want FemShep to be able to romance, if any?

Of course, I think the natural choice for f/f is Miranda. If she's not trying to kill Shepard, that is.

My personal preference (in order) would be:

Miranda
Tali
Ashley
Jack

Miranda I could see as someone who is attracted to competency over gender.  I have an idea for a Shepard who'd totally rivalmance Miranda.

Tali is just too cute to pass up, and her interest in Shepard is apparent for either gender.  I'd create an engineer for her.  The idea of her and an engineer sitting around geeking out over technology would just be adorable.

[Abispa]

@ Chun Hei -- Weren't you the one who was worrying about Bioware making Miranda a "HAWT lesbian" romance?

[demonic_cookie]

I am a hopeless Jack fan, so I want Jack with all my heart even though it's probably not going to happen. I still resent Ash for being all flirty with my fShep and then being unavailable but I have a Shep just for her, in case.

As for new f/f LI I have a type. I want space!Isabela, or female!space!Zevran, although I understand a lot of people will be disappointed if that becomes the case because they don't like the bisexuality=promiscuity implication. Then again, we already have Liara, who was a virgin, so it would make sense to give us someone with more experience.

I also have an inordinate fondness for 'broken bird' woobies, but I doubt they'll give us another one of those when Jack is here...

Also, now that I think of it, it would be really good to have a female character with a prominent sense of humor. Which brings me back to space!Isabela and space!female!Zevran.

[ADLegend21]

I want ashley and Miranda to be S/S. Ashley because she had one but it was scrapped along with Kaidan's. Miranda because she has to spend 2 years learning about commander Shepard and it can be easy as hell to fall for someone when you have to be so involved with their personality and history as well as their quirks and habits.

Modifié par ADLegend21, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:20 .

[KawaiiKatie]

demonic_cookie wrote...

I am a hopeless Jack fan, so I want Jack with all my heart even though it's probably not going to happen. I still resent Ash for being all flirty with my fShep and then being unavailable but I have a Shep just for her, in case.

Okay, yeah, even I have to admit that femShep's "Dismissed, chief" was extremely suggestive.

If I had a lesbian Shepard who wanted to romance Ashley, I'd probably still resent Bioware for that one, too.

[SilentNukee]

Siansonea II wrote...

With all this hubbub about FemShep lately, it might be good to talk about the girls side of the s/s subject, we've been talkin' about the boy's side for awhile now. Who's everyone's favorite existing LI choice for f/f? And what type of new girl would you want FemShep to be able to romance, if any?

Of course, I think the natural choice for f/f is Miranda. If she's not trying to kill Shepard, that is.

In order: 
1) Liara (Of course!)
2) Tali (She's so into FemShep too, just a little shy. ;D)
3) Ashley (Gorgeous in ME3, strong personality.)
4) Miranda (...I guess she's a lot more looks than anything else. XD But, she's a strong woman too.)

Modifié par SilentNukee, 26 juillet 2011 - 12:29 .

[The Uncanny]

Siansonea II wrote...

I've always felt like once the meat and tubes were "alive", Miranda started to look at Shepard differently. Early on in the Lazarus Project it must have looked like the most disgusting autopsy of all time. But after awhile, once Shepard's skin healed to be mostly intact, I imagine Miranda and Wilson started thinking of Shepard more as a person, and the earlier phase of was a distant memory. And Miranda doesn't just fall head over heels for Shepard, it takes some doing for Shepard to get through her defenses. And I'm sure a living, breathing, talking person is a far cry from a distant memory of a science experiment. I did have the same initial thought of "really, Miranda?" but when I thought about it, it's not that different from a doctor or nurse falling for a patient while they're in the hospital. Many people are in BAD shape when they arrive at the hospital, but once they're close to recovered, it's hard to see them as the horrifically injured people they were at first.

I always get the feeling that Miranda must look at Shepard and see years of her own endeavour, effort, insight and inspiration looking back at her. Shepard started as an unformed thing that took shape and came to life. Shepard is Miranda's creation. Her... baby.

I'm not trying to suggest some kind of affection substitution. But I do see the appeal for a woman forced to eliminate mistakes and be as close to perfect as possible in looking on someone she rebuilt, someone whose every curve, muscle and blemish she must be incredibly intimate with, and find it admirable. Exciting. Intriguing.

Our successes always fascinate us. And Miranda's rose from her death bed and fought a previously shadowy, technilogically superior alien species to a standstill. Her handiwork rose to and surpassed her expectations. The flesh which lay beneath her hands is capable, dangerous, commanding and exciting.

I don't think Miranda could see the lump of meat when she looks at Shepard. She sees her own success and the perfection she has created.

[TheMarshal]

SilentNukee wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

With all this hubbub about FemShep lately, it might be good to talk about the girls side of the s/s subject, we've been talkin' about the boy's side for awhile now. Who's everyone's favorite existing LI choice for f/f? And what type of new girl would you want FemShep to be able to romance, if any?

Of course, I think the natural choice for f/f is Miranda. If she's not trying to kill Shepard, that is.

In order: 
1) Liara (Of course!)
2) Tali (She's so into FemShep too, just a little shy. ;D)
3) Ashley (Gorgeous in ME3, strong personality.)
4) Miranda (...I guess she's a lot more looks than anything else. XD But, she's a strong woman too.)

Shhh....  we're not counting her towards the total of s/s partners available for femShep!  >.>

[SilentNukee]

TheMarshal wrote...

SilentNukee wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

With all this hubbub about FemShep lately, it might be good to talk about the girls side of the s/s subject, we've been talkin' about the boy's side for awhile now. Who's everyone's favorite existing LI choice for f/f? And what type of new girl would you want FemShep to be able to romance, if any?

Of course, I think the natural choice for f/f is Miranda. If she's not trying to kill Shepard, that is.

In order: 
1) Liara (Of course!)
2) Tali (She's so into FemShep too, just a little shy. ;D)
3) Ashley (Gorgeous in ME3, strong personality.)
4) Miranda (...I guess she's a lot more looks than anything else. XD But, she's a strong woman too.)

Shhh....  we're not counting her towards the total of s/s partners available for femShep!  >.>

Oh...right! Sorry 

[KawaiiKatie]

The Uncanny wrote...

I don't think Miranda could see the lump of meat when she looks at Shepard. She sees her own success and the perfection she has created.

Okay... I think I can understand that... but can someone explain to me why Shepard would find that attractive? Because I just don't get it.

Like, the whole, "I loving reformed your boobs to perfection" thing just doesn't seem sexy to me. The thought of Miranda (or another man, for that matter) lovingly recrafting male Shepard's dick just seems.... creepy. Can someone frame it better for me and explain why it's hot? Because I just don't get it.

Maybe I'll never understand it, but I'd like to try.

[axl99]

Think of Revenge of the Nerds.

[shepskisaac]

I've just learned about a very interesting information that Hendel Mitra is gay and was in BAaT on Jump Zero

[AngelicMachinery]

Anyone but Tali, the romance is entirely too creepy for me.

[Golden Owl]

Siansonea II wrote...

With all this hubbub about FemShep lately, it might be good to talk about the girls side of the s/s subject, we've been talkin' about the boy's side for awhile now. Who's everyone's favorite existing LI choice for f/f? And what type of new girl would you want FemShep to be able to romance, if any?

Of course, I think the natural choice for f/f is Miranda. If she's not trying to kill Shepard, that is.

I'm voting and voicing.......constantly that I would love to see Kasumi come back as Bi.....My manShep remains pure just waiting for his Kasumi, will stay a lonely man without her.......And I just personally think she would make a brilliant s/s too......Kasumi needs love from all quarters...

[The Uncanny]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

I don't think Miranda could see the lump of meat when she looks at Shepard. She sees her own success and the perfection she has created.

Okay... I think I can understand that... but can someone explain to me why Shepard would find that attractive? Because I just don't get it.

*snip*

Maybe I'll never understand it, but I'd like to try.

I obviously can't comment on the specific example you gave so I snipped it.

It's a subjective thing, perhaps. If you look at her and see the person who rebuilt you and can only think about her reshaping you then maybe that would weird you out. And even then, with all the other stuff going on in the galaxy I think there are potentially freakier concerns out there. *cough*alien sex*cough*

But as someone who has been brought back from the dead maybe you wouldn't linger on the day to day of what she did for you but would instead come repeatedly to the bottom line: this woman saved my life. I'm walking, talking and breathing again because of her.

After that there are many potential answers: maybe she sees the admiration Miranda has for her and appreciates it. Maybe she returns it due to admiring her ability. Her intelligence. Her looks. Her pragmatism. Her ruthlessness.

Ultimately I think the past becomes the past. Even if the circumstances of the Lazarus project could form an initial barrier, time would make that secondary to immediate experience.

[Golden Owl]

Siansonea II wrote...



I've always felt like once the meat and tubes were "alive", Miranda started to look at Shepard differently. Early on in the Lazarus Project it must have looked like the most disgusting autopsy of all time. But after awhile, once Shepard's skin healed to be mostly intact, I imagine Miranda and Wilson started thinking of Shepard more as a person, and the earlier phase of was a distant memory. And Miranda doesn't just fall head over heels for Shepard, it takes some doing for Shepard to get through her defenses. And I'm sure a living, breathing, talking person is a far cry from a distant memory of a science experiment. I did have the same initial thought of "really, Miranda?" but when I thought about it, it's not that different from a doctor or nurse falling for a patient while they're in the hospital. Many people are in BAD shape when they arrive at the hospital, but once they're close to recovered, it's hard to see them as the horrifically injured people they were at first.

Funny about our perceptions...I always felt a bit ninjamanced by Miranda....My Shep wants to help her see herself as something beyond her fathers creation...so he does the talk about 'thats not what defines you'...'it really bothers you doesn't it', etc.... Tali and Jack have defined friendly enough cut off points....not bringing up 'it must be hard living in a suit'...and Jack 'No, thats not what I'm looking for'...Miranda though, is either being jerkish defensive towards her, or burn her at the last moment with 'No, thats not what I meant, we need to stay professional'...You can't turn Miranda down without doing either.

[Siansonea]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

I don't think Miranda could see the lump of meat when she looks at Shepard. She sees her own success and the perfection she has created.

Okay... I think I can understand that... but can someone explain to me why Shepard would find that attractive? Because I just don't get it.

Like, the whole, "I loving reformed your boobs to perfection" thing just doesn't seem sexy to me. The thought of Miranda (or another man, for that matter) lovingly recrafting male Shepard's dick just seems.... creepy. Can someone frame it better for me and explain why it's hot? Because I just don't get it.

Maybe I'll never understand it, but I'd like to try.

Shepard is a kinky freak. Shepard thinks EVERYTHING is hot. Shepard doesn't have a lot of barriers to the sexytimes, from what I could tell.

[KawaiiKatie]

IsaacShep wrote...

I've just learned about a very interesting information that Hendel Mitra is gay and was in BAaT on Jump Zero

Yeah, but he's only ambiguously gay, like Prietor Gavorn.

Quit hiding your gays, Mass Effect universe. It's the twenty-second century.

[Quething]

The Uncanny wrote...

But as someone who has been brought back from the dead maybe you wouldn't linger on the day to day of what she did for you but would instead come repeatedly to the bottom line: this woman saved my life. I'm walking, talking and breathing again because of her.

There's also those Sheps who don't want to dwell on, think about, or maybe even believe the whole resurrection spiel. Main!Shep had a bit of a crisis of faith once she finally trusted Miranda and Jacob enough to believe they weren't lying to her and she wasn't just comatose and captive; she simply doesn't allow herself to think about the fact that she was ever actually dead, because she doesn't have the time (or, at the moment, emotional fortitude) to sit down and have the soul-shattering existential breakdown that accepting that would lead to. She doesn't look at Miranda and think, "this woman saw me as a pile of meat and tubes, this woman reconstructed my esophagus and genitalia, this woman brought me back to life," because that would mean that she's acknowledging to her conscious mind that any of that ever actually happened. What she sees when she looks at Miranda is "too smart to be as much of a Cerberus dupe as she is, too kind and idealistic to be as amoral as she is, someone to help," and some people are very attracted to that (not main!Shep, but I'm just saying it's possible).

Also, it's worth considering that Miranda may not have been that hands-on involved. She was the project director; directors are often too busy or too unqualified to do the same work they're overseeing. I got the impression running around Lazarus that Wilson was the real expert, the head of the medical group, and Miranda was the supervisor who knew enough about the process to know whether progress was being made but wasn't actually involved beyond stopping in now and then to check up (she's certainly not working the first time Shep wakes up, or she'd have just administered the sedative herself). In which case there's much less weirdness on both sides.

And she definitely does strike me as competence-sexual rather than having any real concern for gender.

[syllogi]

For me, it's not that hard to see attraction between Miranda and Shepard, despite the Lazarus Project. I don't see why a doctor who has performed surgery on a person couldn't find them attractive outside of that environment, and I don't think Shepard has that same frame of reference, unless he/she has a really vivid imagination.

For me, Miranda was the only character I felt like my Shepard had a real relationship with in ME2, because she chose not to romance anyone. Despite that, her relationship with Miranda changed and they grew closer, so that it was very believable to me at the end when Miranda chose Shepard over Cerberus. I can totally see a romance in ME3 growing out of that friendship and mutual respect that was established in ME2.

So yeah, I'm still yearning for Miranda for a f/f relationship. Right now I'm just worried that she's not getting a big role, though...

[The Uncanny]

Quething wrote...

And she definitely does strike me as competence-sexual rather than having any real concern for gender.

Absolutely. She clealy warms to Shepard having had a chance to witness her in action and seeing that 'the mission is going better than expected'. (Or whatever the actual quote is.)

I would even doubt that looks matter all that much to her. Skill and aptitude are far more important in... ticking her boxes. 

[shepskisaac]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

I've just learned about a very interesting information that Hendel Mitra is gay and was in BAaT on Jump Zero

Yeah, but he's only ambiguously gay, like Prietor Gavorn.

Sorry, my mind has already formed the entire story how Hendel offered casual sex to Alenko and since Alenko's not into 'light' relationships he declined and that's why he answered "I'm not into that sort of thing. Not lightly anyway" when Shep asks if he was having fun with other kids.  

[Siansonea]

IsaacShep wrote...

KawaiiKatie wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

I've just learned about a very interesting information that Hendel Mitra is gay and was in BAaT on Jump Zero

Yeah, but he's only ambiguously gay, like Prietor Gavorn.

Sorry, my mind has already formed the entire story how Hendel offered casual sex to Alenko and since Alenko's not into 'light' relationships he declined and that's why he answered "I'm not into that sort of thing. Not lightly anyway" when Shep asks if he was having fun with other kids.  

I don't think Hendel is into light and casual either, if I remember his personality from the books accurately. Granted, he didn't have a lot of 'screen time', but he seemed like a Solid Dude, and very loyal and dedicated. Hardly hedonistic.

[jlb524]

TeenZombie wrote...

For me, Miranda was the only character I felt like my Shepard had a real relationship with in ME2, because she chose not to romance anyone. Despite that, her relationship with Miranda changed and they grew closer, so that it was very believable to me at the end when Miranda chose Shepard over Cerberus. I can totally see a romance in ME3 growing out of that friendship and mutual respect that was established in ME2.

So yeah, I'm still yearning for Miranda for a f/f relationship. Right now I'm just worried that she's not getting a big role, though...

This x 100

Plus you get all the intimate talking scenes like this

[Aurellia]

Siansonea II wrote...

With all this hubbub about FemShep lately, it might be good to talk about the girls side of the s/s subject, we've been talkin' about the boy's side for awhile now. Who's everyone's favorite existing LI choice for f/f? And what type of new girl would you want FemShep to be able to romance, if any?

Of course, I think the natural choice for f/f is Miranda. If she's not trying to kill Shepard, that is.

I want Ahsley and Tali.  If i can have them and Miranda too, the sure!