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[MACharlie1]

Ryzaki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
Maybe I should specify:

First time between Shep and whoever (Kaidan, Vega, whoever your mind can think of). And based on ME2 (where Shepard is straddled by Miranda and Tali) I'm thinking he might be more passive...that and the animations would probably be shared by a FemShep so...

FemShep...passive. We thinking about the same femshep?  I wouldn't be surprised if they both topped. 

She was passive with Kaidan in ME1.  

Ah true. But Dude Shep wasn't passive with Liara/Ash. Though he was passive with Tali...and Miranda.
...It's a 50 50 chance.

Maybe it just depends on the character. Like I can't imagine Kaidan being dominant with MaleShep.

EIther way, it'll be whatever the femShep one looks like probably.  

[NICKjnp]

Femshep already has two.

[Ryzaki]

MACharlie1 wrote...
Maybe it just depends on the character. Like I can't imagine Kaidan being dominant with MaleShep.

EIther way, it'll be whatever the femShep one looks like probably.  

True.
Sadly that's most likely. I'd love if the m/f and s/s romances had different scenes. Not likely though.

[Siansonea]

NICKjnp wrote...

That statement about Jack is a stereotype...not to mention the fact that she is the only character who has stated she is not into women.

Many people interpret her actions and dialogue this way, that's true. Others make a decent case for the opposite circumstance, but I'm actually leaning toward Jack being mostly heterosexual. I have no doubt she's tried girls, so if anything for me she's the least likely to be into s/s of all the female humans, and Ashley as well. I personally think Miranda's secretive personality leaves the most room for a previously unexpressed bisexual inclination.

[Dapper Pomegranate]

MACharlie1 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Again, discussing BioWare's prerogatives is not the purpose of this thread. I hope I've made myself more clear this time.

Yes, yes. Of course. Maybe we can swing this topic to a different discussion...

So...erhm...ManShep giving or receiving? 

Better to recieve than to give, I always say. I'd imagine my Mansheps feel the same.

[jbblue05]

Ryzaki wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
I never said they demanded all LI's be bisexual.. Bioware can only satisfy its customers with limited resources.

Hopefully Jack is F/F romanceable. She seems the most likely to be into Femshep

...okay then.

I'd prefer a new squaddie over any returning characters personally. That way there's no "but s/he didn't do anything before! Retcon!" to be said.

But Jack has been with women, nothing other non-asari female LIs can claim unless Bioware just throws it in their

[KawaiiKatie]

diskoh wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Tbh I prefer it that way. It's subtle and gives just enough info to move on. I wouldn't expect them to have an all out discussion about the coming out process and then before we know it, they're crying in each other's arms instead of having hot, steamy sex :happy:

I also prefer it that way. I would like to think 200 years from now we're beyond "Are you a GAY HOMOSEXUAL?" and realize that everyone is at a different place on a gradient and it's not worth obsessing over labels.

I understand this... And I can definitely get behind that idea that the characters shouldn't spend their time obsessing over lables. But is it wrong that, after so much silence on his sexuality, I really want my Shepard to linger on it, at least for a little while?

I've brought this up before, and it's certainally tangled in the issue of Shepard's squadmates being eerily silent on that fact that Shepard is knocking boots with another person on the team. No one ever says anything about Shepard's relationships (again, with the exception of Kasumi, and Liara's comment at the end of her DLC) unless Shepard is trying to romance two of them at the same time. More party banter over all is something that's going to be improved in ME3, and I'd like to see recognition of Shepard's sexuality be part of it.

For example, I can see this easily coming from Joker. He could make an array of quips about Shepard's relationships, perhaps remarking that Shepard and the VS are back together, or that Shepard is crazy for dating Jack, or hilarious one-liners about "Embracing Eternity"... And while obsessing over lables would not be welcome (do we really need to nail down if Shepard is homosexual, bisexual, questioning, etc?) I would love to see Joker make a comment if gay Shepard, male or female, has finally engaged in a homosexual relationship.

Double points if Joker says something along the lines of, "Took you long enough..." <3

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 14 juin 2011 - 09:35 .

[Ryzaki]

jbblue05 wrote...
But Jack has been with women, nothing other non-asari female LIs can claim unless Bioware just throws it in their

Just because she's been with women doesn't mean she enjoyed it. Or that she would've been with said women in normal circumstances (normal for mostpeople not normal for Jack). Plus why not offer sex to FemShep then? She treats it calously. Why would Shep's gender make a difference to her unless she herself wasn't interested? 

[Dayshadow]

NICKjnp wrote...

That statement about Jack is a stereotype...not to mention the fact that she is the only character who has stated she is not into women.

Agreed.

Alot of people thought she must be gay because she acts tough and has short hair.

Modifié par Dayshadow, 14 juin 2011 - 09:36 .

[Ianamus]

I am glad that Bioware is finally including this content, but I do hope that no previous LI's, or other major characters, become the s/s LI's.

The whole retcon argument has been discussed to death, so I won't add to that, but there is an even greater reason for me: they can die.

If Tali or Garus return as s/s squadmates then anyone who had them die on the suicide mission would be unable to have this content. Considering Bioware might only add 2 s/s LI's, this is not good.
It's especially bad for Ash and Kaidan, as anybody who started a new game in Mass Effect 2 without playing Mass Effect 1 (on the PC and X-box at least) have either Ash or Kaidan dead on default depending on gender, so they would be completely unable to access this content were Kaiden and Ashley the only s/s LI's in Mass Effect 3.

I know that some people have said that new characters would not be as deep, as we would only have known them for one game, but we only knew Ashley, Kaidan, Leliana, Alistair and all of the other Bioware LI's (par Garrus and Tali) for one game, and those romances had depth.

I think that the best compromise would be to add three s/s LI's who were minor charcters in previous games, so we sort of know them. Two for M Shep, and one for F Shep, who also has Liara as an option.
This means that everybody has an equal number of options, as Liara is alive in every game, no characters are 'retconed', and people cannot say "Everybody is bi" because all other previous LI's, except for Liara, were not.

[shepskisaac]

I think one thing we can agree on is that Kaidan's a bottom

Ryzaki wrote...
I'd prefer a new squaddie over any returning characters personally. That way there's no "but s/he didn't do anything before! Retcon!" to be said.

And I would prefer if BW didn't make a decision based on illogical excuse. Just because there are lots of people saying something is a retcon doesn't make it a fact. In order to retcon something it would have to be made canon/explictly established in the first place. Period. There's no if or buts. No "but there's alot of them saying this". If alot people said 2 + 2 = 5 that still wouldn't make it a fact.

[Shepard Lives]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

Tangentially, did you ever notice how Bioware is pretty careful to never say "gay," "homosexual," "lesbian," or anything of the sort? They always deflect to, "...interested in wo/men." The most amusing case of this, in my opinion, happened in DA:O, between a male Warden and Zevran.

Warden: Have you always been...?
Zevran: ....intriuged by tight leather clothing?
Warden: ...interested in men.
Zevran: (huge laugh)

It's kind of cute, in it's way... I suppose they're hestitant to lable their characters as "homosexual" or "bisexual" or whathave you, and I can respect that.

Uh, I really don't think that's the reason. Even though the characters in DA speak in a relatively modern fashion, words like gay, lesbian, maybe even homosexual or bisexual don't really exist in the 'verse.

[Ryzaki]

EJ107 wrote...

I am glad that Bioware is finally including this content, but I do hope that no previous LI's, or other major characters, become the s/s LI's.

The whole retcon argument has been discussed to death, so I won't add to that, but there is an even greater reason for me: they can die.

If Tali or Garus return as s/s squadmates then anyone who had them die on the suicide mission would be unable to have this content. Considering Bioware might only add 2 s/s LI's, this is not good.
It's especially bad for Ash and Kaidan, as anybody who started a new game in Mass Effect 2 without playing Mass Effect 1 (on the PC and X-box at least) have either Ash or Kaidan dead on default depending on gender, so they would be completely unable to access this content were Kaiden and Ashley the only s/s LI's in Mass Effect 3.

I know that some people have said that new characters would not be as deep, as we would only have known them for one game, but we only knew Ashley, Kaidan, Leliana, Alistair and all of the other Bioware LI's (par Garrus and Tali) for one game, and those romances had depth.

I think that the best compromise would be to add three s/s LI's who were minor charcters in previous games, so we sort of know them. Two for M Shep, and one for F Shep, who also has Liara as an option.
This means that everybody has an equal number of options, as Liara is alive in every game, no characters are 'retconed', and people cannot say "Everybody is bi" because all other previous LI's, except for Liara, were not.

Joker can't die. And you have to go out of your way to kill Miranda. <_< (The dry smilie isn't at you but rather at how I have to try so damn hard to kill her. ) 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 juin 2011 - 09:42 .

[diskoh]

Ryzaki wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
I never said they demanded all LI's be bisexual.. Bioware can only satisfy its customers with limited resources.

Hopefully Jack is F/F romanceable. She seems the most likely to be into Femshep

...okay then.

I'd prefer a new squaddie over any returning characters personally. That way there's no "but s/he didn't do anything before! Retcon!" to be said.

Exactly what I said when my best friend since childhood came out. That bastard retconned and ruined the integrity of the story by not declaring his sexuality to the world since day 1. That's just unrealistic!

Ok now that the annoying sarcasm is out of the way, let me say that I prefer Bioware write a good story and not let it be dictated by what a few people who don't understand the complexity of relationships may think. Whether the love interests are new characters or old characters, as long as it's well written I'll be thrilled.

[Siansonea]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

diskoh wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Tbh I prefer it that way. It's subtle and gives just enough info to move on. I wouldn't expect them to have an all out discussion about the coming out process and then before we know it, they're crying in each other's arms instead of having hot, steamy sex :happy:

I also prefer it that way. I would like to think 200 years from now we're beyond "Are you a GAY HOMOSEXUAL?" and realize that everyone is at a different place on a gradient and it's not worth obsessing over labels.

I understand this... And I can definitely get behind that idea that the characters shouldn't spend their time obsessing over lables. But is it wrong that, after so much silence on his sexuality, I really want my Shepard to linger on it, at least for a little while?

I've brought this up before, and it's certainally tangled in the issue of Shepard's squadmates being eerily silent on that fact that Shepard is knocking boots with another person on the team. No one ever says anything about Shepard's relationships (again, with the exception of Kasumi, and Liara's comment at the end of her DLC) unless Shepard is trying to romance two of them at the same time. More party banter over all is something that's going to be improved in ME3, and I'd like to see recognition of Shepard's sexuality be part of it.

For example, I can see this easily coming from Joker. He could make an array of quips about Shepard's relationships, perhaps remarking that Shepard and the VS are back together, or that Shepard is crazy for dating Jack, or hilarious one-liners about "Embracing Eternity"... And while obsessing over lables would not be welcome (do we really need to nail down if Shepard is homosexual, bisexual, questioning, etc?) I would love to see Joker make a comment if gay Shepard, male or female, has finally engaged in a homosexual relationship.

Double points if Joker says something along the lines of, "Took you long enough..." <3

I would like this. But I also think Joker himself is a good candidate for a s/s LI. If done right, it could be really sweet, and could potentially be Seth Green's best work to date. We don't often get to experience the vulnerable side of Seth Green.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 14 juin 2011 - 09:40 .

[Shepard Lives]

Dayshadow wrote...

NICKjnp wrote...

That statement about Jack is a stereotype...not to mention the fact that she is the only character who has stated she is not into women.

Agreed.

Alot of people thought she must be gay because she acts tough and has short hair.

As annoying as this is, it's nothing compared to the (fairly large) "Do you think Jack might be a transexual?" thread we had on the old boards during the ME2 pre-release period.

Modifié par Shepard Lives, 14 juin 2011 - 09:41 .

[Siansonea]

Ryzaki wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
But Jack has been with women, nothing other non-asari female LIs can claim unless Bioware just throws it in their

Just because she's been with women doesn't mean she enjoyed it. Or that she would've been with said women in normal circumstances (normal for mostpeople not normal for Jack). Plus why not offer sex to FemShep then? She treats it calously. Why would Shep's gender make a difference to her unless she herself wasn't interested? 

I kind of feel the same way about Jack. She's SO direct, that if she was up for it, she'd do it. Jack doesn't hold back. Miranda, on the other hand, DOES hold back. A LOT. If anyone has more to reveal about herself, it's Miranda.

[KawaiiKatie]

Siansonea II wrote...

I would like this. But I also think Joker himself is a good candidate for a s/s LI. If done right, it could be really sweet, and could potentially be Seth Green's best work to date. We don't often get to experience the vulnerable side of Seth Green.

....this comment is made of so much win, I'm not even sure I am worthy to look upon it.

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 14 juin 2011 - 09:47 .

[Ianamus]

Ryzaki wrote...

Joker can't die. And you have to go out of your way to kill Miranda. <_< 

I don't like the idea that every relationship in the game has to have the oppourtunity to turn romantic. It's refreshing to have a friend through all of the games, who isn't nececerally interested in Shepard romantically, and realistic as well. It was one of the reasons why I like Aveline, and between that and Joker's illness, I really don't see him as LI material.

As for Miranda, we don't even know if she's a permanant Squadmate yet, and all you have to do is side with Jack or not complete her Loayalty mission and take her into the final boss.

Edit: sorry if that came off as a little rude- I did think that dry smile was directed at me . I have nothing against anyone who want's these people to be romanceable, I just think that new characters are a better idea.

Modifié par EJ107, 14 juin 2011 - 09:49 .

[diskoh]

Siansonea II wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
But Jack has been with women, nothing other non-asari female LIs can claim unless Bioware just throws it in their

Just because she's been with women doesn't mean she enjoyed it. Or that she would've been with said women in normal circumstances (normal for mostpeople not normal for Jack). Plus why not offer sex to FemShep then? She treats it calously. Why would Shep's gender make a difference to her unless she herself wasn't interested? 

I kind of feel the same way about Jack. She's SO direct, that if she was up for it, she'd do it. Jack doesn't hold back. Miranda, on the other hand, DOES hold back. A LOT. If anyone has more to reveal about herself, it's Miranda.

She may be direct in her demeanor, but Jack is anything but forthcoming about herself. Maybe she's direct about sex with men because she sees it as meaningless and empty, but she's reluctant with women because it's meaningful to her and that scares her.

Her demeanor isn't because she's invulnerable, it's a defense mechanism.

[TheMarshal]

Siansonea II wrote...

I kind of feel the same way about Jack. She's SO direct, that if she was up for it, she'd do it. Jack doesn't hold back. Miranda, on the other hand, DOES hold back. A LOT. If anyone has more to reveal about herself, it's Miranda.

Directness is often a way of hiding something else, though.  Jack could be very vocal about turning down femShep because she tends to form more meaningful (and thus potentially hurtful) relationships with women.

Just to play devil's advocate here...  >.>

edit: darn, ninja'd!

Modifié par TheMarshal, 14 juin 2011 - 09:50 .

[Ryzaki]

EJ107 wrote...

I don't like the idea that every relationship in the game has to have the oppourtunity to turn romantic. It's refreshing to have a friend through all of the games, who isn't nececerally interested in Shepard romantically, and realistic as well. It was one of the reasons why I like Aveline, and between that and Joker's illness, I really don't see him as LI material.  

Which is why I don't want the old LIs to become open. They already are permanent friends iin my view and have no chance of turning romantic. (Plus I have to admit I want Joker to become an LI because BW has never done a disabled LI before and I wanna see how they handle it). But that's just my preferences plus there's other relationships (Anderson, Wrex, s/s VS, Garrus/Tali) that can't turn romantic depending on your Shep's gender. 

As for Miranda, we don't even know if she's a permanant Squadmate yet, and all you have to do is side with Jack or not complete her Loayalty mission and take her into the final boss.

 

That's not an all you have to do. Very few people have Miranda dead. Generally if one wouldn't have Miri's loyalty why would they have her in their crew? If she's dead chances are you did it on purpose. 

That said she might not be a perma squaddie so that is a real issue. 

Edit: 

Edit: sorry if that came off as a little rude- I did think that dry smile was directed at me . I have nothing against anyone who want's these people to be romanceable, I just think that new characters are a better idea.

 Don't worry about it my bad. Frankly new characters would be the best idea. (New characters that are only m/m or f/f...not likely but I can dream. ) as long as whoever it is is attractive (yes I'm shallow) and interesting I don't care. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 14 juin 2011 - 09:52 .

[diskoh]

TheMarshal wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

I kind of feel the same way about Jack. She's SO direct, that if she was up for it, she'd do it. Jack doesn't hold back. Miranda, on the other hand, DOES hold back. A LOT. If anyone has more to reveal about herself, it's Miranda.

Directness is often a way of hiding something else, though.  Jack could be very vocal about turning down femShep because she tends to form more meaningful (and thus potentially hurtful) relationships with women.

Just to play devil's advocate here...  >.>

edit: darn, ninja'd!

 Nice.

[jbblue05]

Ryzaki wrote...

jbblue05 wrote...
But Jack has been with women, nothing other non-asari female LIs can claim unless Bioware just throws it in their

Just because she's been with women doesn't mean she enjoyed it. Or that she would've been with said women in normal circumstances (normal for mostpeople not normal for Jack). Plus why not offer sex to FemShep then? She treats it calously. Why would Shep's gender make a difference to her unless she herself wasn't interested? 

But ME3 now has s/s romances. It would be odd if returning straight female squaddies were up to it and Jask isn't