@demonic_cookie: I don't understand your question.
KawaiiKatie: "You'd like to take away what little distinction there is between playing
male and female Shepard and make them completely identical except for
pronouns?"
Yes. A world where men and women are treated equally is in my opinion better than a world where they're treated differently. But there will always be Harkins out there, so, for the sake of realism, let's put one or two jerks in the game... as long as you have the option to crush them immediately, of course. I like what they did in ME1&2, except for romances. Make romances like the rest of the game, and that'll be perfect for me. When different treatment is unnecessary, yes, I do think "different" means "bad". I don't think it's bad when it's necessary. For example, swimming pools should have special access for the disabled. That's necessary, so it isn't bad. Gay romances on the other hand don't need special treatment. Love is love regardless of sex. To me, anyway.
"I don't know why the homosexual romances between Kaidan and manShep
would be "shorter" or somehow less satisfying that the heterosexual
romance between Kaidan and femShep. "That was an example so you could see things from the perspective of a player who don't like his/her sex-assigned romance as much as the other one. That's why I said "what if you find...?"
"Kaidan flirts with female Shepard in Mass Effect 1 after she saves him from the Prothean Beacon."He didn't do it in your game. Why do you care so much about what he did in my house, my game? I don't care what he did in yours. Heck I don't even care if he's alive or dead in other people's houses. What matters to me is who Kaidan is in my game.
"Male Shepard and Kaidan were robbed of certain plot-points granted to
female Shepard and Kaidan, even if she never chose to start a
relationship with him. Even if female Shepard only talks to Kaidan, he
still makes casual passes as her and expresses an interest in her,
something he never does with male Shepard."I convinced Garrus that C-Sec wasn't that bad, other people convinced him otherwise and helped him kill Dr. Saleon. Different people had different relationships with Garrus in ME1. And some people didn't even bother recruiting him, so Shepard doesn't know him. So what? Should we have three different Garruses now? When you reencounter him in ME2, if you acted renegade with him in ME1 and then you say "let's kick some ass", he says "glad to see you haven't changed". If you didn't recruit him, Shepard says "Garrus...Vakarian?" with a surprised voice. There, acknowledgment. The game remembers what happened in ME1. I don't know what "exploration" are you talking about, frankly, or why it deserves more than what I've just described.
"Kaidan will be (or should be) aware of how he treated female Shepard as
distinct from male Shepard in ME1, his romance with them in ME3 should also be distinct."In your game, Femshep doesn't exist. Kaidan can't possibly know her, let alone treat her in any way.
I don't know why respecting the existing difference between Kaidan's
relationship with male Shepard and female Shepard is at the player's
"expense."Really? I have explained it. It's because there will be people who will like better the romance reserved for the other sex, and that's lame. Have a good romance for everyone, that way people won't feel excluded. We had it with the ME1 Liaramance.
"And, yes, homosexual and heterosexual couples are inherently different.
I know that I would certainly enter a relationship with a woman very differently than I would with a man."That's not an explanation, it's just an assertion.
"You may not feel that way...but I'm sure that Kaidan does."Maybe that's the problem. That you are making Kaidan think what you think. You know, kinda like the people who say Kaidan is hetero so please can we not have s/s Kaidance in ME3. I'm not doing that. My point doesn't rest on what Kaidan would think or do, but on off-game reasons, that is, players and equality. By the way, Kaidan flirted only with Femshep because the game made the Kaidan romance available only to Femshep. You don't know what he would have done had the romance been available to both, as it will probably be in ME3. The game didn't allow Kaidan to say anything of that sort to Manshep, that's all. That prohibition doesn't shape his personality to the point of making him a different person. I wrote an example addressing how that difference could be implemented just in one sentence, because to me the point of the romance is who the lovers are and how their personalities connect. You ignored the example.
"For him to act like his flirtations with femShep in ME1 never happened would be a detriment to his character"You didn't comment on my example of acknowledgment. What do you think about the difference in that sentence I wrote for you? It's strange that you're arguing against "acting like his ME1 flirtation with femshep never happened", because I took the effort to give you an specific example to acknowledge that past history, and you have simply ignored it for no reason. Please, don't argue against points nobody has made, and don't pretend like you're responding to me when you address such imaginary points. Not nice.
Modifié par Nyoka, 28 juillet 2011 - 12:02 .
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they didn't want to devote time to create new cut-scenes. Gay romances were deemed not important enough (because of the size of the gay community) and thus they decided not to work on them and rewrite opposite-sex romances to fit into same-sex content and create new cut-scenes. Had the gay community was not a minority, they would've done it. In the end, if it wasn't for the time constraints, Ashley and Kaidan would've been available for gay romance since ME1. So I ask you, what actually is disingenuous here? The fact that they may be available for s/s romance in ME3 even though they weren't in ME1 OR perhaps the fact they weren't available for s/s romance in ME1 in the first place solely because of the marketing reasons, because gay romances considered not worthy enough bothering as not the majority of target customers would play them?
