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#7376
Chun Hei

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KawaiiKatie wrote...

a) What option does dude!Shep get instead?

Male Shepard proproses a professional alliance with Hock. Instead of "[Flirt] You're not offensive," male Shepard's dialogue option reads, "I think we could be allies."


OMG! REALLY? Wow that is totally like how my gay friends approach each other when they when they want snuggle-bunnies while attending mercenary conferences!

"Hey there mean guy! How about you and I become 'alies'?" Wink wink nudge nudge. "You cover my back and I will cover yours!"

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demonic_cookie wrote...

I really hope there will be NO way to be mean to s/s people who come on to you. Just neutrally polite "I'm straight man, no dice." Nothing of that 'that's sick!' business.


Do any of the other romance rejections reference the LI's species as the reason Shepard doesn't want to get involved? I haven't really played many of the alien romances... 

Because if there's precedent, I can't justify tip-toeing around the dialogue option just because some people might be offended. Bioware clearly can choose whatever they want (and they might err on the side of being sensitive) but given that we can already be xenophobic and, to a certain degree, disavow religion in Ashley's conversation in ME, why should sexuality be any different? 

I would rather a neutral option, though, given that it seems absurdly unlikely that a 30-something career marine with a galaxy to save would be icked out by something as trivial as homosexuality. 

That being said, I don't think it's likely any of the squad will hit on Shepard. My money is on all of the romances being played-initiated. 

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If Kaidan comes onto my Shepard in ME3, just like that, I'll be upset. Not because he comes onto me, but guessing it will be like DA2, I'll turn him down and my favorite ''friend'' character gets all awkward and angry at Shepard. Fortunately they were talking about the ''friend'' route being worked on better in ME3, so it might not happen after all.

Still I'd rather have him as ''bro'', unless you take some specific dialogue routes. Just because the Shepard is nice to him, doesn't mean he'd need to start ruining something fun. :P

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Melrache wrote...

If Kaidan comes onto my Shepard in ME3, just like that, I'll be upset. Not because he comes onto me, but guessing it will be like DA2, I'll turn him down and my favorite ''friend'' character gets all awkward and angry at Shepard. Fortunately they were talking about the ''friend'' route being worked on better in ME3, so it might not happen after all.


And Bioware already took a lot of heat for the DA2 romances (whether deserved or not), so I do not see this happening again.  There's some developer quote about the romances being responsive to the player, so I don't think we'll see squadmates starting them with Shepard.  I see this as both a good and bad thing.

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ElitePinecone wrote...

demonic_cookie wrote...

I really hope there will be NO way to be mean to s/s people who come on to you. Just neutrally polite "I'm straight man, no dice." Nothing of that 'that's sick!' business.


Do any of the other romance rejections reference the LI's species as the reason Shepard doesn't want to get involved? I haven't really played many of the alien romances... 

Because if there's precedent, I can't justify tip-toeing around the dialogue option just because some people might be offended. Bioware clearly can choose whatever they want (and they might err on the side of being sensitive) but given that we can already be xenophobic and, to a certain degree, disavow religion in Ashley's conversation in ME, why should sexuality be any different? 

I would rather a neutral option, though, given that it seems absurdly unlikely that a 30-something career marine with a galaxy to save would be icked out by something as trivial as homosexuality. 

That being said, I don't think it's likely any of the squad will hit on Shepard. My money is on all of the romances being played-initiated. 


I got some angry responses from fellow s/s supporters on this subject many many pages ago where I argued that the renegade Shepard should be allowed to say something stupid and homophobic similar to the situations you've mentioned yourself. He can be a jackass where aliens and believers are concerned and homosexuality can just be another area where Shepard can establish his/herself as a jackass.

I am not asking for a foul language, a long diatribe or violence. But having Shepard in a**hole mode react harshly toward homosexuality would help to establish that it exists and is real to ALL Shepards in the ME universe and not some fragile porceline fan service insertion. Sadly, this is not an unlikely event in the ME universe since it has already been established with Nef and Kelly that homosexuality is not concidered "normal" by segments of the human population.

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If homophobic Renedouche comes back I want my racist renedouche back.

I was waiting for a "disgusting Tali. You're not even my species." remark to shoot down her crush. My sadness when I didn't see one. D:

Though a good consequence or both would have the character lock down all dialogue with you that's not mission related.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 30 juillet 2011 - 02:42 .


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Melrache wrote...

If Kaidan comes onto my Shepard in ME3, just like that, I'll be upset. Not because he comes onto me, but guessing it will be like DA2, I'll turn him down and my favorite ''friend'' character gets all awkward and angry at Shepard. Fortunately they were talking about the ''friend'' route being worked on better in ME3, so it might not happen after all.

Still I'd rather have him as ''bro'', unless you take some specific dialogue routes. Just because the Shepard is nice to him, doesn't mean he'd need to start ruining something fun. :P


I doubt that Bioware will allow ANY character to "flirt" with Shepard in ME3, especially not any of the preestablied characters. It will probably be handled like Garrus' romance in ME2. Even though one could argue that the "Huh? I never considered you snuggle-bunny material before, but what the hey! Let's go!" technique can seem awkward and disappointing in itself.

Also, I'm not a "ninjamance" fan myself, but as I argued on page 143 of this thread, the PLAYER should hold him/herself responsible for the infamous "Anders situation," since the only way to trigger it is to be "nice and friendly" to a guy who had just gotten apostate (sibling) Hawke to kill a dozen templars inside the CHANTRY. And Anders final reaction was keeping totally in his character for the rest of the game.

I will note, however, that UNLIKE THE MASS EFFECT SERIES, turning Anders down romantically STILL allows Hawke to continue a friendly long term relationship with him. Everyone in Mass Effect just shuts up and spends the rest of the game calibrating or something.

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Ryzaki wrote...

If homophobic Renedouche comes back I want my racist renedouche back.

I was waiting for a "disgusting Tali. You're not even my species." remark to shoot down her crush. My sadness when I didn't see one. D:

Though a good consequence or both would have the character lock down all dialogue with you that's not mission related.  


True. Shepard has plenty of opportunity to insult aliens and it was odd that he couldn't be at least as harsh with Tali in ME2 as s/he was in the first game.

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Abispa wrote...
I am not asking for a foul language, a long diatribe or violence. But having Shepard in a**hole mode react harshly toward homosexuality would help to establish that it exists and is real to ALL Shepards in the ME universe and not some fragile porceline fan service insertion. 


This is pretty much my thoughts also. 

But Bioware don't have complete freedom to do whatever they want, exactly, because fans and wider society do have opinions and comments on what they put in their games. 

Aliens don't exist, and no alien advocacy groups are going to be upset if we can be xenophobic douches in a video game. But plenty of people would be upset (depending on how ridiculous the media response was) if a video game included explicit homophobic dialogue that went beyond mild discomfort to actual 'renegade psycho hatred'. 

Giving players the freedom to role play their own reactions to situations has to be tempererd by two things: a) the artistic vision of the developers (from what we've seen, the writers prefer universes that are liberal from modern perspectives, and certainly integrate feminist themes into the writing, if not the art direction) and B) the real-world constraints on markets, media and so on. 

In an ideal world where this game was being made purely as art, including the full range of human experiences would be almost obligatory - but Bioware are working in the real world and some things are very clearly off limits. They might judge that this is one of them, and opt to play it safe® with less emotive dialogue. 

For all we know, indeed, attitudes have changed so much by the 2180s as to make the issue irrelevant, and so including renegade options is a moot point.

That's exactly the sort of reasoning Bioware could use - justifiably, since it's their universe - to explain not giving players the option of responding harshly to s/s advances. After all, some elements of Shepard's personality are set in stone, and we can assume that even the most 'ends justifies the means' person wouldn't necessarily have a problem with people's private lives if it didn't relate to the mission. Remember that 'renegade' refers to the attitude to the mission, rather than (well, in theory) personal morality or 'evil'. 

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Melrache wrote...

If Kaidan comes onto my Shepard in ME3, just like that, I'll be upset. Not because he comes onto me, but guessing it will be like DA2, I'll turn him down and my favorite ''friend'' character gets all awkward and angry at Shepard. Fortunately they were talking about the ''friend'' route being worked on better in ME3, so it might not happen after all.

Still I'd rather have him as ''bro'', unless you take some specific dialogue routes. Just because the Shepard is nice to him, doesn't mean he'd need to start ruining something fun. :P


Kaidan? All awkward and angry? DON'T WORRY - IT AIN'T FOR LONG
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Kaidan / Liara love triangle:  "If you're not serious about me, it'll hurt, but I'll get over it."

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Melrache wrote...

If Kaidan comes onto my Shepard in ME3, just like that, I'll be upset. Not because he comes onto me, but guessing it will be like DA2, I'll turn him down and my favorite ''friend'' character gets all awkward and angry at Shepard. Fortunately they were talking about the ''friend'' route being worked on better in ME3, so it might not happen after all.

Still I'd rather have him as ''bro'', unless you take some specific dialogue routes. Just because the Shepard is nice to him, doesn't mean he'd need to start ruining something fun. :P



The Anders situation only comes up if one you use the Flirt Option at some point. And two it is a documented bug where it has two heart options and a douche option to respond to him.
The middle "heart" option seems to be mis-assigned the heart. It seems to have the gameplay affect of noncommittally closing the romance.

If you got him hitting on you its your own fault. I successfully managed to get thru the game without him getting all emo lover over my MaleHawke.


@Vordimier.

That is blatant misinformation.

STDs are not restricted to homosexuals you idiot. It affects everyone.

Gay people are not all slags who spread disease. I know many str8 people who sleep around a LOT more than many gay people (myself included) do.

Reported.

EDIT:
Also having had a look at the sight it appears to be a sight created by right wingers who actually have no idea of what they are wittering on about have just randomly grabbed "statistics" to "prove" their right wing anti gay viewpoint. And yours apparently.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 30 juillet 2011 - 04:40 .


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ElitePinecone

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Just a reminder to not quote content that breaks site rules.

Also, reported.

#7388
ElitePinecone

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Again, please don't quote posts that breach site rules.

It's more mess for the moderators to clean up and it makes their job harder and longer.

Just try and ignore it. It doesn't deserve a response. Others will deal with it.

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Reported as well.

#7390
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So, care to explain your particular brand of crazy? (sarcastic Lady Hawke rocks :lol:)
Anyway, seeing more and more support for s/s Kaidan lately....I like! :wub:

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ElitePinecone, I only remember there was an option to tell Liara "that is sick!" with FemShep, I never clicked on it because she is just too adorable to be mean to her.

Abispa, and I agree with you on a roleplaying level, but a little vidictive child in me wants the dudebros to suffer from not being able to be a homophobe... I never said I was mature >_>

Melrache, I doubt Kaidan will be too put out if you turn him down gently. As it was said, the guy is pretty much level-headedness incarnate. Plus, I doubt they'll integrate gay come-ons. Maaaybe lesbian come-ons will be in the game again (and that is a disgusting double standard, but sadly true) but I doubt they'll want to scare off the Heterosexual Male Gamer with teh gay.


It got me thinking though... Imagine we DO get NPC-initiated romance for s/s... How would you want the LI of your choice to come on to your Shep? I for some reason imagine Jack being awkward and swearing a lot through the very first romantic conversation, stumbling over words, etc. Possibly with a paragon interrupt to hug the hell out of her >_>

\\\\ also, reported the stupid. do not engage, people

Modifié par demonic_cookie, 30 juillet 2011 - 05:40 .


#7392
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Ignore it.

PM some mods and hope the cavalry comes riding in soon, but don't give this cretin the dignity of a reply.

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I wish there were male dancers besides the Asari ones in the clubs.

Maybe drell or humans or Jacob...

Modifié par Russalka, 30 juillet 2011 - 05:26 .


#7394
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you know who Id like the female S/S romance option to be modeled by(even though I will never use it)?

commander Ivanova from babylon 5 was bisexual and a pretty strong woman to boot who didnt spend every episode being captured or whining like a child or some other stereotypical bs

Modifié par Cuddlezarro, 30 juillet 2011 - 05:28 .


#7395
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Am I seriously the only one who's actually LOL'ing hysterically at the hateful posts? Maybe I just have an inappropriate sense of humor, but this new poster is a comedy gold mine. I had no idea Fred Phelps had figured out how to post on forums.

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demonic_cookie wrote...

IsacShep,

Wut? I didn't post anything here since few pages :P

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FoxHound109 wrote...

Am I seriously the only one who's actually LOL'ing hysterically at the hateful posts? Maybe I just have an inappropriate sense of humor, but this new poster is a comedy gold mine. I had no idea Fred Phelps had figured out how to post on forums.






#7398
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Fox, no, you're not the only one :)

And argh, sorry Isac, I mix you two Kaidans up. That was meant for Pinecone

Modifié par demonic_cookie, 30 juillet 2011 - 05:41 .


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Cuddlezarro wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

Am I seriously the only one who's actually LOL'ing hysterically at the hateful posts? Maybe I just have an inappropriate sense of humor, but this new poster is a comedy gold mine. I had no idea Fred Phelps had figured out how to post on forums.






Ha, ha! <3

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FoxHound109 wrote...

Cuddlezarro wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

Am I seriously the only one who's actually LOL'ing hysterically at the hateful posts? Maybe I just have an inappropriate sense of humor, but this new poster is a comedy gold mine. I had no idea Fred Phelps had figured out how to post on forums.






Ha, ha! <3



oh Garry's mod how you can make such wonderful things

now im in the mood to play TF2 lulz