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ThePwener wrote...

Are you people discussing same sex romances or exchanging sex jokes?

[Nashiktal]

Terror330 wrote...

Ah. I thought it was just head bumping. I've never done the romance myself, so I've only see the conclusion. I thought if they had sex it would be fatal or something because of the DNA so I assumed the head bump was as far as it got. The chaffing sounds painful.

Nah, it wouldn't be fatal. The only danger would be if Shep ingested anything of Garrus'. Even then shep probably wouldn't die, it varies from fatal, to allergic reaction, to harmlessly passing through.

Although Mordin does warn shep about chaffing.

[Quething]

Terror330 wrote...

The romance is more then respect, it just grew out of repesct. If it was just about respect why bring up a bottle of wine? Why is Garrus trying so hard to flirt with Shepard? Why is Garrus all dressed up? Why the mood music? It's a romance, but with their DNA a physical relationship isn't going to work out, so Garrus did the best he could.

Other people have largely covered this, but it's worth adding: it's quite possible to have, and enjoy, sex with someone you're not particularly sexually attracted to. The ability to fantasize is a powerful thing, and even beyond that, on a purely physical level, the body responds to physical stimulus in a reliable way regardless of any input from the conscious mind. This is why it's possible for gay men to have biological kids and years of marriage before coming out, why straight porn actors can get it up during "gay for pay" shoots, why doctors were able to professionally coax female patients to orgasm back when "hysteria" was a "real" medical condition, why moderately kinky people can have healthy sex lives even without sharing all of each other's kinks*, and even why women buy vibrators (almost nobody is actually sexually attracted to a vibrator).

If Garrus loves Shepard, and wants to have a functional, loving relationship that includes sexual intimacy as a way to get close to each other and express trust and affection, and isn't sexually attracted to humans in the least (which he says he isn't, and why would he be? we look wrong, I'm sure we smell wrong, our plumbing probably isn't all that compatible), it's still pretty simple. Shepard can tell him what feels good, and Garrus can do that, not because it feels good to him or because he feels any hormonal, sexually-motivated impulse to do so, but because he's making a conscious decision to do make Shepard feel good. This is still worth setting a mood and being nervous about.

* Spanking? Not terribly entertaining. Watching what happens to someone who likes it when you do it? Very entertaining.

Modifié par Quething, 04 août 2011 - 05:29 .

[ThePwener]

Jake71887 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

Are you people discussing same sex romances or exchanging sex jokes?

Why can't it be both? 

Alright, Im in.

[ThePwener]

Why do people think Turians aren't sexy and hot?



I've thought about it and it always... "interests" me. It's still sex. And as this fan art shows, they could be quite beautiful. If ME were real, I'd go for a Turian over an Asari any day.

[Jake71887]

ThePwener wrote...

Why do people think Turians aren't sexy and hot?



I've thought about it and it always... "interests" me. It's still sex. And as this fan art shows, they could be quite beautiful. If ME were real, I'd go for a Turian over an Asari any day.

I see someone's been visiting my DeviantArt page 

[ThePwener]

No way.... you did that? Wow. It's a small world. Very good indeed.

I thankyou for all the wet dreams and class room day dreams it has brought me.

[Jake71887]

ThePwener wrote...

No way.... you did that? Wow. It's a small world. Very good indeed.

I thankyou for all the wet dreams and class room day dreams it has brought me.

I colored it anyway. 

[ThePwener]

Jake71887 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

No way.... you did that? Wow. It's a small world. Very good indeed.

I thankyou for all the wet dreams and class room day dreams it has brought me.

I colored it anyway. 

Even better, this one didn't turn me on at all.

[Jademoon121]

ThePwener wrote...

Jake71887 wrote...

ThePwener wrote...

No way.... you did that? Wow. It's a small world. Very good indeed.

I thankyou for all the wet dreams and class room day dreams it has brought me.

I colored it anyway. 

Even better, this one didn't turn me on at all.

Very cool, I can defenitly see something like that in ME. For future reference though, female turians don't have crest horns on their head.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 04 août 2011 - 06:36 .

[ElitePinecone]

Jademoon121 wrote...
For future reference though, female turians don't have crest horns on their head.

Also, as an avian species would they even have, uh, mammary glands? 

Do we even know how turians reproduce or raise their young?

If female turians *are* flat chested, it makes me even more baffled that Garrus would respond to femShep (with her 'funny bumps') and not maleShep. Garrus says himself that he's not attracted to humans physiologically, but to Shepard as a person. 

[Terror330]

The answer is staring you right in the face, one is still a woman, and one is a man. It's just that simple.

There are women I find unattractive but if I liked them enough I still might be willing to give the romance a chance. A man though is totally different and I would not pursue that. The same might possibly be said for Garrus.

Ignore the physical appearance argument, it is weak and it is not a basis to determine whether or not Garrus would romance a guy.

There is nothing to indicate Garrus is interested in men in ME or ME2. Nothing, zero. The only argument that could be made in favor of Garrus being bi is that he has never said he was uninterested in a men. Don't bring appearances into this though, it is not an argument, its grasping at straws.

In ME you can make the ugliest Shepards imaginable and the NPC's still want to romance them. Why talk about appearance?

[ArawnNox]

Terror330 wrote...

The answer is staring you right in the face, one is still a woman, and one is a man. It's just that simple.

There are women I find unattractive but if I liked them enough I still might be willing to give the romance a chance. A man though is totally different and I would not pursue that. The same might possibly be said for Garrus.

Ignore the physical appearance argument, it is weak and it is not a basis to determine whether or not Garrus would romance a guy.

There is nothing to indicate Garrus is interested in men in ME or ME2. Nothing, zero. The only argument that could be made in favor of Garrus being bi is that he has never said he was uninterested in a men. Don't bring appearances into this though, it is not an argument, its grasping at straws.

In ME you can make the ugliest Shepards imaginable and the NPC's still want to romance them. Why talk about appearance?

Your missing the point. Garrus isn't attracted to humans. If anything, his romance scene shows he's trying to find things physically attractive about Shepard.
To just say, "Oh, Garrus wouldn't want male shep because he's male" is just as much of a grasping at straws argument.
The fact that Shepard has to make the first move and Garrus admits to having never considered it is telling. Who's to say he'd turn a male shepard down? It's the same messed up logic that cuts Tali off from romancing femshep.

Modifié par ArawnNox, 04 août 2011 - 05:42 .

[lazuli]

Well gender and sex transcend race, apparently.

I can see both sides on this one. And, because I have no desire for any kind of romance with Garrus, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he remained only available to FemShep in ME3, or if the two of them agreed it was a bad idea and moved on.

[TheMarshal]

lazuli wrote...

Well gender and sex transcend race, apparently.

I can see both sides on this one. And, because I have no desire for any kind of romance with Garrus, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he remained only available to FemShep in ME3, or if the two of them agreed it was a bad idea and moved on.

I don't plan on having any romances in ME3 besides Liara.  Doesn't mean that I don't want other people to have the opportunity to romance their favorite character with the Shepard of their choice.

[AngelicMachinery]

I for one support Gayrus.

Sure you can say that Garrus didn't hit on M-shep in Me2, but he didn't hit on Femmeshep in ME3. He just likes to take things a little slower than the rest.

[Destroy Raiden_]

So why is it that brandnew characters are no good for the s/s option?

And why is it you can't have a deep friendship with past LIs yet the remain hetro?

BW did say they were going to add more dialogue so you can stay friends with someone and they won't shut you down or shut you out so if so and so reveals the same info friend based to s/s shep that they do to not whats the issue other then s/s shep doesn't sleep with them and opposite one does?

[shepskisaac]

Destroy Raiden wrote...
So why is it that brandnew characters are no good for the s/s option?

They are, but people also want something that at least resembles a trilogy romance, like StraightShep got (with Tali for example).

Destroy Raiden wrote...
And why is it you can't have a deep friendship with past LIs yet the remain hetro?

In order to remain hetero they would have to declare themselves as hetero first.

Destroy Raiden wrote...
BW did say they were going to add more dialogue so you can stay friends with someone and they won't shut you down or shut you out so if so and so reveals the same info friend based to s/s shep that they do to not whats the issue other then s/s shep doesn't sleep with them and opposite one does?

Are you forreal? Friendhip =/= romantinc relationship.

[lazuli]

IsaacShep wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...
So why is it that brandnew characters are no good for the s/s option?

They are, but people also want something that at least resembles a trilogy romance, like StraightShep got (with Tali for example).

Can you really speak for anyone other than yourself?  I don't give a hoot about the "trilogy experience" when it comes to romance.  When I'm playing ME3, that's what I'm playing.  Not ME1 or ME2.  And I certainly don't need more groan-inducing "just like old times" lines.

To clarify, I don't think that the Liara romance is superior to any others just because she has an arguably strong presence in both ME1 and ME2 (DLC), while all other romances have just been in one game (or one game + .001).

That said, I'm not opposed to returning character being available for SS romance.

[shepskisaac]

lazuli wrote...

Can you really speak for anyone other than yourself?  I don't give a hoot about the "trilogy experience" when it comes to romance.  When I'm playing ME3, that's what I'm playing.  Not ME1 or ME2.  And I certainly don't need more groan-inducing "just like old times" lines.

To clarify, I don't think that the Liara romance is superior to any others just because she has an arguably strong presence in both ME1 and ME2 (DLC), while all other romances have just been in one game (or one game + .001).

That said, I'm not opposed to returning character being available for SS romance.

Fantastic, but there are many people who want the trilogy experience and thus want romances with existing characters. You don't need to get worked up with every word.

[Destruktor5000]

Destroy Raiden wrote...

So why is it that brandnew characters are no good for the s/s option?

And why is it you can't have a deep friendship with past LIs yet the remain hetro?

BW did say they were going to add more dialogue so you can stay friends with someone and they won't shut you down or shut you out so if so and so reveals the same info friend based to s/s shep that they do to not whats the issue other then s/s shep doesn't sleep with them and opposite one does?

I wouldn't say that the new characters are no good for s/s. If Vega comes with good and interesting writing (and maybe loses that ape mouth till the final version), he's probably going to be quite relevant to my interests. The thing is, so far there's still precious little info on the new chars whereas we know the old characters pretty well. Like me for example, I've gotten to know Garrus over the course of two games, followed his character developement etc. So I've grown quite attached to him and would be absolutely thrilled if he turned out to be an s/s option in ME3. Vega is pretty much an epmpty page for me right now, so I'm more like "wait and see".

Extended friendship options should be fun, too, and I'm looking forward to it, but again, I'll guess we'll just have to wait and see, how it turns out in-game.

Modifié par Destruktor5000, 04 août 2011 - 08:56 .

[Terror330]

ArawnNox wrote...

Terror330 wrote...

The answer is staring you right in the face, one is still a woman, and one is a man. It's just that simple.

There are women I find unattractive but if I liked them enough I still might be willing to give the romance a chance. A man though is totally different and I would not pursue that. The same might possibly be said for Garrus.

Ignore the physical appearance argument, it is weak and it is not a basis to determine whether or not Garrus would romance a guy.

There is nothing to indicate Garrus is interested in men in ME or ME2. Nothing, zero. The only argument that could be made in favor of Garrus being bi is that he has never said he was uninterested in a men. Don't bring appearances into this though, it is not an argument, its grasping at straws.

In ME you can make the ugliest Shepards imaginable and the NPC's still want to romance them. Why talk about appearance?

Your missing the point. Garrus isn't attracted to humans. If anything, his romance scene shows he's trying to find things physically attractive about Shepard.
To just say, "Oh, Garrus wouldn't want male shep because he's male" is just as much of a grasping at straws argument.
The fact that Shepard has to make the first move and Garrus admits to having never considered it is telling. Who's to say he'd turn a male shepard down? It's the same messed up logic that cuts Tali off from romancing femshep.

Tali is very different case then Garrus in a lot of ways.  For one she will press Shepard into the romance and she essentially shows just as much interest in femshep as she does in Sheploo.  Her Shadow Broker logs are identical regardless of gender as well.  I could see an argument being made for her being into FemShep in her case, absolutely.

I already know Garrus isn't attracted to humans, but my point was that apperances don't matter in this game.  Shepard could be a space slug and Garrus still might have been willing to give the romance a chance, but.  A guy is still a guy, and a girl is still a girl.  Garrus may not find humans all that attractive, but that doesn't mean he'd be interested in romancing a guy, that's my entire point.  We don't know exactly how people view s/s relationships in the future or exactly how Turians look at them either.  I know Gavorn is a gay Turian but that's it, and no one knows for sure if that's the norm or even considered acceptable within Turian culture. 

With Tali you can at least see signs of the possibility of her being interested in femshep.   With Garrus there isn't anything, other then respect, and respect does not mean you'd be willing to romance someone of the same sex.  That's reality.  I just believe that if you were had never considered romancing a human female, but you've shown interest in women of your own species, like Garrus has, then you're probably going to be less likely to show interested in sleeping with a human male  That's primarily how I view it.  Now if Garrus has romanced men of his own species then that would change everything and I'd sooner buy into it.  We don't know if he has or hasn't yet though, so why should I believe he's be willing to sleep with a man?

You may say it's grasping at straws, but its a much better argument then saying Garrus wouldn't mind romancing Sheploo because he doesn't have those funny bumps.  There are social stigmas, personal preferences and beliefs that also must be taken into account when you're going to be in a relationship with someone of the same sex.  We don't know how Garrus would feel about that but don't compare Garrus to Tali because her interest in Shepard was vastly different this his own.  Only BW knows what Garrus is sexually, because right now none of us do, but I personally believe my argument is more sound then the boobs argument.

With Tali you could at least make a good case that she could be a s/s option, even if we don't know exactly what her deal is yet.  She might be into FemShep or just have a crazy, non sexual thing going on with her.  We won't know for sure till ME3. I never romance her since I think she's creepy, but I could easily see an argument for her being a s/s option, more so then most characters really.

If Garrus is bi then he's bi.  With s/s being enabled in ME3 I fully understand that anyone could be bi, but out of all the ME characters that have been romance options I see Garrus as the character least likely be a same sex option.  Everything seems like a stretch, and quite honestly I never felt he should have been a romance option in the first place.  The romance is ME2 felt forced, if he is made bi in ME3 its going to be forced even more so.

[Abispa]

I don't argue that Garrus SHOULD be bisexual, only that there are fans who want a s/s romance with him and I feel they have every right to ask for it. If the writers agree to make him a s/s option it would NOT be a game breaking "retcon" since it has never been established that he is only interesting in females. I won't romance him myself, and I have the apparently miraculous ability to remain "bros" with him even if I see a "flirt" option that I will not select.

[CrookedAsylum]

lazuli wrote...

Well gender and sex transcend race, apparently.

I can see both sides on this one. And, because I have no desire for any kind of romance with Garrus, I wouldn't be heartbroken if he remained only available to FemShep in ME3, or if the two of them agreed it was a bad idea and moved on.

I'd be heartbroken. I'd be very heartbroken.

That said, I can see both sides of the argument too. On one hand, appearance only means so much. On the other, does appearance truly encapsulate sex? I met my boyfriend a year ago, roughly a month after he got into a car crash that left his face and parts of his body scarred. This didn't bother me then, and it doesn't bother me now. This aside, while I am pansexual, I still find myself more drawn to the male sex. The bottom line is that I didn't start dating my boyfriend based on sexual attraction or appearance, though I love him for it all the same; I started dating him off the basis of respect and compatibility. If he was female, I can't honestly say that I would have given the relationship a try.

Both sides of the arguement are valid, and neither is right or wrong until one of the devs said otherwise.

[catharsisboo]

Terror330 wrote...
We don't know exactly how people view s/s relationships in the future or exactly how Turians look at them either.  I know Gavorn is a gay Turian but that's it, and no one knows for sure if that's the norm or even considered acceptable within Turian culture. 

So far, humans are the only ones in the series to still have a stigma for it (Nef's "Morinth is a girl like me" line). Turians have a very open culture (to quote the codex: "Turians enjoy broad freedoms. So long as one completes his duties, and does not prevent others from completing theirs, nothing is forbidden."). It's hard to say whether same-sex relationships are looked down upon among turians, but, given that the codex and dialogue in-game implies that their society is very liberal (Garrus' conversation about their military having less rules and regulations than the Alliance), it'd make more sense to assume that they're accepting of same-sex relationships rather than apply human culture and our history of homosexuality not being accepted to them.

Terror330 wrote...
With Tali you can at least see signs of the possibility of her being interested in femshep.   With Garrus there isn't anything, other then respect, and respect does not mean you'd be willing to romance someone of the same sex.  That's reality.  I just believe that if you were had never considered romancing a human female, but you've shown interest in women of your own species, like Garrus has, then you're probably going to be less likely to show interested in sleeping with a human male  That's primarily how I view it.  Now if Garrus has romanced men of his own species then that would change everything and I'd sooner buy into it.  We don't know if he has or hasn't yet though, so why should I believe he's be willing to sleep with a man?

If Garrus has no physical attraction to humans, and turian females have different secondary sexual characteristics than human females (no breasts), then why would Shepard's gender matter? Quething said it best:

Quething wrote...
You might as well say it matters what gender a hanar is to a human's sexual interest. It's a jellyfish. You're not into it for its supple curves or manly six-pack.

Terror330 wrote...
You may say it's grasping at straws, but its a much better argument then saying Garrus wouldn't mind romancing Sheploo because he doesn't have those funny bumps.  There are social stigmas, personal preferences and beliefs that also must be taken into account when you're going to be in a relationship with someone of the same sex.

Your argument does grasp as straws since it relies on turians having similar views on sexuality as humans do. Their concept of femininity is completely different than our own. What they consider feminine traits (short fringe and a supportive waist) are generally considered masculine in human culture. I really fail to see how Shepard having a penis could somehow affect a cross-species romance in which there is no physical—and therefore sexual—attraction on Garrus' part.