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[Jimmy Fury]

lazuli wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Destroy Raiden wrote...
So why is it that brandnew characters are no good for the s/s option?

They are, but people also want something that at least resembles a trilogy romance, like StraightShep got (with Tali for example).

Can you really speak for anyone other than yourself?  I don't give a hoot about the "trilogy experience" when it comes to romance.  When I'm playing ME3, that's what I'm playing.  Not ME1 or ME2.  And I certainly don't need more groan-inducing "just like old times" lines.

To clarify, I don't think that the Liara romance is superior to any others just because she has an arguably strong presence in both ME1 and ME2 (DLC), while all other romances have just been in one game (or one game + .001).

That said, I'm not opposed to returning character being available for SS romance.

On that specific note he can indeed speak for other people. I want the trilogy experience as well. Whether you care about it or not doesn't change the fact that a trilogy-long storyline is just more complex than one occuring over the course of a single game. Characters introduced in ME1 have the most history with Shepard and with that history comes a deeper connection. Not just to Shepard but to Shepard's story.

Modifié par Jimmy Fury, 05 août 2011 - 01:21 .

[shepskisaac]

It's so quite in here actually. On the anti front as well. Where is everybody? Still fighting in the blonde FemShep thread? xD

[SirGladiator]

Thats exactly right, its a Trilogy, naturally you want the full Trilogy romance, that's a pretty big part of the experience. Obviously Liara and Tali are the best examples of that so far, when you get to know a character across multiple games its probably going to end up being a more meaningful romance. Certainly it was quite disappointing/frustrating with all the talk leading into ME2 (and now into ME3) about how there would be major consequences regarding whether you stayed true to your LI or went with someone new, and yet FemShep players who romanced Liara were completely left out, they cut out all the possible LIs that a FemShep-Liara player would've been tempted by, thus robbing us of one of the major aspects of the Trilogy Romance, and one they had been promoting for a very long time, so hopefully that will be corrected in ME3.

Of course ultimately its pretty hard to imagine anybody being better than Liara, she's got the beauty, the brains, the talent and ability, and of course the awesome voice, its hard to imagine choosing anybdoy over her, even Tali, but certainly I would want that choice to be there. If nothing else it would make the choice in favor of Liara more meaningful knowing you at least 'could' have chosen somebody else. Hopefully we'll finally get that choice in ME3.

[Ryzaki]

I couldn't give a damn about a full trilogy mance. Natural or not. And I do not feel Liara or Tali or Garrus' romances are somehow more meaningful than Thane's, Jack's or Miranda's. (sorry Jacob).

And I can't stand Liara. So really pretty much every other LI is a better choice in my eyes. F*cking space stalker.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 05 août 2011 - 01:37 .

[lazuli]

Ryzaki wrote...

I couldn't give a damn about a full trilogy mance. Natural or not. And I do not feel Liara or Tali or Garrus' romances are somehow more meaningful than Thane's, Jack's or Miranda's. (sorry Jacob).

And I can't stand Liara. So really pretty much every other LI is a better choice in my eyes. F*cking space stalker.  

I can see the appeal of a trilogy-spanning romance.  Similarly, I can see the appeal of meeting someone new and getting to know that character over the course of a single game.  I can't help but wonder how already established romances will play out in ME3.  Will they be as organic as DA:O in the sense that you can move them forward at your own pace?  Or will it be the standard talk, talk, talk, talk, pre-final mission sex?

[Ryzaki]

lazuli wrote...
I can see the appeal of a trilogy-spanning romance.  Similarly, I can see the appeal of meeting someone new and getting to know that character over the course of a single game.  I can't help but wonder how already established romances will play out in ME3.  Will they be as organic as DA:O in the sense that you can move them forward at your own pace?  Or will it be the standard talk, talk, talk, talk, pre-final mission sex?

Well yeah I see some of the appeal too but as the saying goes "familiarity breeds contempt." 

I hope they're more like DAO than the standard. The standard is pretty bleh. 

[silentassassin264]

Well they said they were doing the relationships and friendships better in ME3 so hopefully no talk talk calibrate pre-reaper smashing sex.

[xassantex]

/thought
for a trilogy, the complete absence of Kaidan/Ashley in ME2 who's a strong character in ME1 is too bad. I know ME2 is about Cerberus and Kaidan is Alliance, but really, they could have put him in Arrival . A two soldiers infiltration would still be a covert operation. And we might perhaps have had a hint of rekindled interest between the two .

[ScotGaymer]

xassantex wrote...

/thought
for a trilogy, the complete absence of Kaidan/Ashley in ME2 who's a strong character in ME1 is too bad. I know ME2 is about Cerberus and Kaidan is Alliance, but really, they could have put him in Arrival . A two soldiers infiltration would still be a covert operation. And we might perhaps have had a hint of rekindled interest between the two .

Thats been aired before and it is a very compelling and intriguing thought.

But they didnt do it. Probably just didnt occur to them.

[lazuli]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

xassantex wrote...

/thought
for a trilogy, the complete absence of Kaidan/Ashley in ME2 who's a strong character in ME1 is too bad. I know ME2 is about Cerberus and Kaidan is Alliance, but really, they could have put him in Arrival . A two soldiers infiltration would still be a covert operation. And we might perhaps have had a hint of rekindled interest between the two .

Thats been aired before and it is a very compelling and intriguing thought.

But they didnt do it. Probably just didnt occur to them.

Oh, I doubt that.  There was a ton of talk about the expected VS DLC, especially following LotSB.

[Ryzaki]

xassantex wrote...

/thought
for a trilogy, the complete absence of Kaidan/Ashley in ME2 who's a strong character in ME1 is too bad. I know ME2 is about Cerberus and Kaidan is Alliance, but really, they could have put him in Arrival . A two soldiers infiltration would still be a covert operation. And we might perhaps have had a hint of rekindled interest between the two .

That was a real missed opportunity. 

[ScotGaymer]

lazuli wrote...


Oh, I doubt that.  There was a ton of talk about the expected VS DLC, especially following LotSB.

The Mass Effect team dont check the forums and community the way the Dragon Age team does.

The likely never seen the discussions.

[silentassassin264]

It is not like that. In the dev period before ME2, Patrick Weekes was always up here. Christina Norman showed up plenty as well. Preston (sorry I'd kill his name without looking it up) posted polls and stuff about what we wanted to see. I don't remember seeing Casey Hudson post that much but he did say watched forum discussion. And to be quite honest, I can't blame him for keeping scarce especially since they tried to crucify Mike Laidlaw on the DA2 boards.

[ScotGaymer]

I think you guys have too much faith in your own importance lol.

And Mike still posts in the DA boards. :-)

[lazuli]

Who knows? Maybe including Kaidan or Ashley in Arrival wouldn't be compatible with the reunion they already had planned for ME3.

[silentassassin264]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

I think you guys have too much faith in your own importance lol.

And Mike still posts in the DA boards. :-)

I am pretty sure they ignore most of what is posted but since most o what is posted is "Can we have a Vorcha Romance?", "Can we have an Elcor Romance?", etc. it should even out.

[shepskisaac]

silentassassin264 wrote...

It is not like that. In the dev period before ME2, Patrick Weekes was always up here. Christina Norman showed up plenty as well. Preston (sorry I'd kill his name without looking it up) posted polls and stuff about what we wanted to see. I don't remember seeing Casey Hudson post that much but he did say watched forum discussion. And to be quite honest, I can't blame him for keeping scarce especially since they tried to crucify Mike Laidlaw on the DA2 boards.

What???  Only Brenon Holmes posts in ME3 section now and I've seen Patrick only once. And that's all in General Section, no one ever came to Characters/Romances section

Modifié par IsaacShep, 05 août 2011 - 02:47 .

[xassantex]

lazuli wrote...

Who knows? Maybe including Kaidan or Ashley in Arrival wouldn't be compatible with the reunion they already had planned for ME3.

hmm,we can always give them the benefit of the doubt  . 
but ... still... 

also on Horizon - in spite of the confusion over kaidan getting stung by the bugs and still appearing at the end - Kaidan could for example have teamed up with Shepard seeing the importance of stopping the Collectors and still in the end argue over Cerberus blah blah . Something could have been worked in there. 
Anyway, what's done is done , but he'd better have a damn good part in ME3 to make up for his absence..

[ElitePinecone]

IsaacShep wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

It is not like that. In the dev period before ME2, Patrick Weekes was always up here. Christina Norman showed up plenty as well. Preston (sorry I'd kill his name without looking it up) posted polls and stuff about what we wanted to see. I don't remember seeing Casey Hudson post that much but he did say watched forum discussion. And to be quite honest, I can't blame him for keeping scarce especially since they tried to crucify Mike Laidlaw on the DA2 boards.

What???  Only Brenon Holmes posts in ME3 section now and I've seen Patrick only once. And that's all in General Section, no one ever came to Characters/Romances section

They do know what's going on, generally, though. 

The fracas about Ashley's armour in ME3 sparked a bunch of posts, and Casey Hudson quickly had to comment about it the next day. It's not as though he completely ignored what was going on. 

If I had to guess, the community team and moderators would let some higher-ups know if there was a strongly burning issue that needed to be addressed. 

Also, just because BW devs don't post, doesn't mean they don't read the forums. Apart from their presumable personal interest in how fans are reacting to their game, I'm sure they're sensitive to satisfying people after the 'interesting' response to DA2. 

Given how many topics were made about a VS DLC, I'd be very surprised if Bioware hadn't known about the clamour. Since they didn't include it, it's likely they have other plans which would've been interfered with if there had been a VS DLC. 

[Dhiro]

IsaacShep wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

It is not like that. In the dev period before ME2, Patrick Weekes was always up here. Christina Norman showed up plenty as well. Preston (sorry I'd kill his name without looking it up) posted polls and stuff about what we wanted to see. I don't remember seeing Casey Hudson post that much but he did say watched forum discussion. And to be quite honest, I can't blame him for keeping scarce especially since they tried to crucify Mike Laidlaw on the DA2 boards.

What???  Only Brenon Holmes posts in ME3 section now and I've seen Patrick only once. And that's all in General Section, no one ever came to Characters/Romances section

Probably because we're a bunch of weirdos.

[shepskisaac]

BioWare cut VS from having a big role in ME2 on purpose, so they can have them in a big way in ME3. I think VS will be one of the key characters so I'm not really that pressed anymore there was never any VS DLC for ME2

[Dhiro]

I don't really see the point of a VS DLC, anyway.

[Terror330]

catharsisboo wrote...

Terror330 wrote...
We don't know exactly how people view s/s relationships in the future or exactly how Turians look at them either.  I know Gavorn is a gay Turian but that's it, and no one knows for sure if that's the norm or even considered acceptable within Turian culture. 

So far, humans are the only ones in the series to still have a stigma for it (Nef's "Morinth is a girl like me" line). Turians have a very open culture (to quote the codex: "Turians enjoy broad freedoms. So long as one completes his duties, and does not prevent others from completing theirs, nothing is forbidden."). It's hard to say whether same-sex relationships are looked down upon among turians, but, given that the codex and dialogue in-game implies that their society is very liberal (Garrus' conversation about their military having less rules and regulations than the Alliance), it'd make more sense to assume that they're accepting of same-sex relationships rather than apply human culture and our history of homosexuality not being accepted to them.


First of all I hope I'm keeping this in format because I'm not used to responding to questions in this format, so here I go...

First of all we don't know that's it's just humans.  We have drells, salarians, volus, batarians, vorcha and all kinds of races that may not be all that accepting of it.  Remember salarians are obsessed with breeding, kind of like Krogan are so that's not true at all.

Now, is sounds like Turians might be accepting of s/s relations as long as they do their duty for their country, but Garrus isn't exactly what one would call a normal Turian.  He's a renegade and he pretty much goes against their norms.  You can't put classify Garrus as a regular Turian, because he isn't.  A normal Turian would not be running across the galaxy like he does disobeying orders and breaking protocal like he does.

No matter what their religion or their culture is it may not necessarily apply to Garrus.  Garrus is very much his own person.  So, if Garrus wants to be with a man he can, so far we don't know if he's interested in something like that and thus far he hasn't done it.  Simply because Shepard didn't ask flirt with him doesn't mean he would have been just as interested. 

All I have done is pointed out a weak point in this threads argument as to why most people seem to think Garrus would be bi.  You don't know it, you've all just assumed it and got all excited about the possibility of it.  Now if someone steps in and disagrees they get jumped and are somehow wrong.  I'm not wrong though, but realize I'm not necessarily right either.  I know that, and it seems like some of you don't get that.  All I have done is pointed out how that just because Garrus isn't attracted to humans doesn't mean he'd be interested in a man as well, and I'm right about that, because I can't be proven wrong.  He wasn't in a romance with a man in ME2.  That's a fact. 

You can't assume that if Sheploo had asked Garrus he would be just as interested, because you just don't know that.  You've only assumed that, and that proves nothing.

Terror330 wrote...
With Tali you can at least see signs of the possibility of her being interested in femshep.   With Garrus there isn't anything, other then respect, and respect does not mean you'd be willing to romance someone of the same sex.  That's reality.  I just believe that if you were had never considered romancing a human female, but you've shown interest in women of your own species, like Garrus has, then you're probably going to be less likely to show interested in sleeping with a human male  That's primarily how I view it.  Now if Garrus has romanced men of his own species then that would change everything and I'd sooner buy into it.  We don't know if he has or hasn't yet though, so why should I believe he's be willing to sleep with a man?

If Garrus has no physical attraction to humans, and turian females have different secondary sexual characteristics than human females (no breasts), then why would Shepard's gender matter? Quething said it best:  

Quething wrote...
You might as well say it matters what gender a hanar is to a human's sexual interest. It's a jellyfish. You're not into it for its supple curves or manly six-pack.

In regards to the Quething quote...it's a Jellyfish.  If a human is dumb enough to try to sleep with one then all I can do is face palm.  Common sense has to come into play at some point.

And as for you, I've said before it still does matter because we don't know if Garrus is even interested in men.  If he wouldn't romance a Turian man, why would he romance a human man?  A woman is still a woman, they just look different because they are a different species.  I'm sure there are differences beyond what the codex dives into.  All the codex says is that one physical difference is that Turians females lack crest horns, but it obviously can't end there because the women still give birth.  If crest horns are the only difference between them then I'm confused as to how they give birth exactly.

There is obviously more to it, but I doubt BW wanted to go too in depth on where babies come from.  There's still a difference between a man and a woman.  Just because Garrus doesn't find humans females all that attractive doesn't change that.  You can't sit there and try to suggest there is no difference between a man and a woman, if you are then I don't know what to tell you.  So yes there is a difference.  Just because he does not find human women as attractive as turian women does not mean he'd be interested in men.  It's not a valid argument and it has nothing to support it.  When he has ever expressed interest in a man?  Any man?  Never.  So why should I believe he's interested in that?

Terror330 wrote...
You may say it's grasping at straws, but its a much better argument then saying Garrus wouldn't mind romancing Sheploo because he doesn't have those funny bumps.  There are social stigmas, personal preferences and beliefs that also must be taken into account when you're going to be in a relationship with someone of the same sex.

Your argument does grasp as straws since it relies on turians having similar views on sexuality as humans do. Their concept of femininity is completely different than our own. What they consider feminine traits (short fringe and a supportive waist) are generally considered masculine in human culture. I really fail to see how Shepard having a penis could somehow affect a cross-species romance in which there is no physical—and therefore sexual—attraction on Garrus' part.

Of couse I grasped at straws, but so is everyone in this thread.  Your argument is no different.  You don't know, because no one knows what Garrus wants.  I know I don't know, but I'm tired of everyone assuming Garrus must be just as interested in Sheploo just because he isn't attracted to humans.  So I finally decided to stop biting my tongue and say something because it's such a silly argument. 

If people didn't care about what sex everyone then everyone would be bi.  But the world isn't like that, so why is it wrong for me to assume that sex might be an issue to Garrus?  It is for most people, and no one can prove he'd be interested in sleeping with a man, because there's nothing to go off of.

Garrus could be be bi, but it's not because of the arguments that have been given.  IF the writers are planning on making Garrus bi, there has to be some sense behind it.  Saying Garrus is willing to romance Shepard just because he doesn't find humans attractive sounds absolutely ridiculous to me, because that's what you've just told me.

Also, there is physical contact.  Do you not remember Mordin talking about the dangers of chaffing and warning Shepard not to swallow?  So yes, Shepard and Garrus do have physical contact.

Modifié par Terror330, 05 août 2011 - 04:44 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

^ So far I'm gathering people want so badly for innuendos any little reuse of words on BWs part counts as they could be into s/s shep so they want it! There is also the factor some indicate they've been pining and waiting for whomever they fancy to turn up sheps hidden always wanted you sense ME LI partner.

I'm also confused with the whole trilogy romance they're saying they want. You can't have a trilogy romance - 2 games. I think if anyone was interested in s/s shep ME2 would've been the proper time and place to say so for past LIs if they show up in ME3 wanting s/s shep it's officially BW retconning/ tacked on/ whatever term you wish to imply they caved and will lose some of their demographic support.

The best solution is brandnew characters become s/s options past LIs stay hetro and BW won't be losing business.

[Arik7]

^ I can't image somebody wouldn't buy ME because of more OPTIONAL romance content in the game. That's just silly.

Existing characters have a lot of fans, including gay fans. There's no reason to limit romance options just because it would contradict certain ASSUMPTIONS people have been making.