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[gamer_girl]

Clonedzero wrote...

ademska wrote...

@zero

well, because of what we already know about the me3 party makeup - namely, that very few squadmates will be anything more than temporary - in this ideal world where we get all bi options (which isn't going to happen anyway), you would have to trim that list considerably.

the more realistic list of me3 bisexual romance options are the VS, liara, garrus, and tali - 4. which sort of solves that little problem.

ME3 bi romance options. VS, liara, vega, unrevealed female squadmate - 4, which sort of solves that little problem.

A lot of people agree with those 4. Me included.

[bleetman]

Incidentally, the last time Bioware wrote bi-sexuality into a character, making it something of an integral part of their behaviour and personality, she got (and continues to be, for that matter) heralded in some quarters as a ****.

Hey, wait a minute.

[Arik7]

Twizz089, I don't think many ppl view sexuality as 'powerful' and character defining... Instead of capitalizing on characters' sexuality, Bioware should focus on a good sci fi story and interesting action game play.

[Servo to the bitter end]

bleetman wrote...

Incidentally, the last time Bioware
wrote bi-sexuality into a character, making it something of an integral
part of their behaviour and personality, she got (and continues to be,
for that matter) heralded in some quarters as a ****.

Hey, wait a minute.

Sickburn.

God. The characters in DA2 - every last one of them - are so likeable, it hurts. I'll never understand the hate.

Well - except for possibly Sebastian.

Modifié par TommyServo, 10 août 2011 - 08:06 .

[jlb524]

I doubt anyone here actually expects all LIs (past and present) to be bi in ME3.

Yes, it would be a lot of work.

However, I don't see an inherent problem with that system and think they should continue with it in future games (a la DA2) when there are only a few LIs to begin with.

[Clonedzero]

bleetman wrote...

Incidentally, the last time Bioware wrote bi-sexuality into a character, making it something of an integral part of their behaviour and personality, she got (and continues to be, for that matter) heralded in some quarters as a ****.

Hey, wait a minute.

i didnt say she was a bad character, she was on-par with varric as most entertaining character in the game, but she totally was a **** lol

my issue was that i didnt want my character to get involved with someone who sleeps with everything that moves thats all lol

you can be bi and not sleep with everyone at the drop of a hat you know

[Rinji the Bearded]

TommyServo wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Incidentally, the last time Bioware
wrote bi-sexuality into a character, making it something of an integral
part of their behaviour and personality, she got (and continues to be,
for that matter) heralded in some quarters as a ****.

Hey, wait a minute.

Sickburn.

God. The characters in DA2 - every last one of them - are so likeable, it hurts. I'll never understand the hate.

Well - except for possibly Sebastian.

I hate Sebastian because according to David Gaider, he really was a Nathaniel Howe rip-off.

And that is completely and absolutely unforgiveable.

[Siansonea]

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

[Jademoon121]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

I'm not, simply because I think it diulutes the potency of the romance. Unless if they're well written, they just run together to me.

[LiaraShepard]

jlb524 wrote...

I doubt anyone here actually expects all LIs (past and present) to be bi in ME3.

Yes, it would be a lot of work.

However, I don't see an inherent problem with that system and think they should continue with it in future games (a la DA2) when there are only a few LIs to begin with.

Yes, I think too they should make all characters available for both genders in future games. It's just fair, since they said there won't be gay or lesbian characters. It's better to have all characters being bisexual from the beginning instead of giving lesbian and gay people less choices than heterosexual gamers. 

I still hope that at least all permanent squad members will be bisexual in ME3.

Modifié par LiaraShepard, 10 août 2011 - 08:11 .

[gamer_girl]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

If they have time and funds for the extra I say why not. But if they don't have enought time, I think only a few should be.

[The Uncanny]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

I'd be fine with it. Everyone gets the LI they want and those who don't are none the wiser. I don't see the problem.

[Servo to the bitter end]

The Uncanny wrote...

I'd be fine with it. Everyone gets the LI they want and those who don't are none the wiser. I don't see the problem.

Ditto here. Perfectly put.

[Clonedzero]

TommyServo wrote...


Sickburn.

God. The characters in DA2 - every last one of them - are so likeable, it hurts. I'll never understand the hate.

Well - except for possibly Sebastian.

isabella - great character, just a ****. friends with a ****, absolutely. romantic relationship with a ****? nah...

merril - adorable and all, acts like a child most of the time, and stupidly uses blood magic. still a good character.

fenris - the most broody and angsty character ive seen in recent memory. its like he just walked out of a damn twilight book or something lol.

anders - crazy, but cool, but crazy, i didnt romance him but i totally jumped on his "mage revolution" bandwagon until he got really crazy. it was sorta like "ya! mage freedom! viva la revolution!" then later in the game i was like "oh..uh.....im just gonna back away slowly....." still a good character.

im not saying they were bad characters, well except for fenris, god i hate him. i loved the cast of DA2, i just dont think any of them are particularly great romance options is all. merril was probably my favorite, the one i romanced, but she frustrated the hell out of me when i kept being all like "hey, look, blood magic is totally evil, you should probably quit it" and she's all like "nah dude, i can handle it, i can quit anytime, i dont sound like an addict at all!"

this is really off topic though

[Zjarcal]

The Uncanny wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

I'd be fine with it. Everyone gets the LI they want and those who don't are none the wiser. I don't see the problem.

+1

I think I need a special "problem finder" visor to see the issue with this.

[LiquidGrape]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

Advocating? Eh, can't be bothered. Supporting the notion? Absolutely.
For some reason I should apparently count myself lucky for not having my suspension of disbelief shattered by the possibility that more than two people out of twelve might be capable of finding love in both camps.

[jwalker]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

I'd like that, actually.

[The Uncanny]

Zjarcal wrote...
+1

I think I need a special "problem finder" visor to see the issue with this.

I sometimes hear that 'it would take extra resources'. But that just isn't true. Look at the differences between MHawke romacing Isabela and FHawke romancing Isabela: negligible. A couple of alternate lines is far from being a resource drain...

[TMA LIVE]

When it comes to the "everyone's bi" solution, the only thing I'd want is more aimed towards the player character hitting on the LI, then the other way around.

When it comes to ME2 and ME1, they had 3 options for each player (not including Samara and Kelly), or 2 options. When it came to ME1, I think the biggest complaint was being ninja romanced by everyone, for just being nice. Which forced you to say no to both romances for trying to make a pass at you on the second conversation. Now if they made Kaidan/Ash bi, then that would just increase the problem of people trying to ninja romancing Shepard by another point. You'd have 3 people trying to romance you for just having one or two conversations. And 2 was already annoying.

Now if every LI in ME2 was bi, then you'd have 6 options (again, not including Samara and Kelly). Luckily, Jacob, Thane, and Garrus can have their romances completely avoided, unless you hit on them. But with Miranda, if you're nice, she touches your man boob. And Shepard smiles about it (despite already being in a romance, or possibly not liking Miranda, or woman in general). With Jack, you have to keep repeatedly telling her you're not interested. And with Tali, you have to tell her you're not interested, because she'll keep bringing it up if you dodge the question.

And I guess Parasini kisses you regardless. And Shiala makes a pass at you.

As you kind of can tell, it gets pretty big on how many people want to touch Shepard. And it would be pretty annoying and repetitive to have to say no to a great big deal of them. Which is why, if they go the "all bi" route, I'd want less of them to hit on me, and more needing the player character to activate the romance path. Though some characters should hit on you. I'm just saying, keeping it low, so it doesn't become annoying and repetitive.

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 10 août 2011 - 08:31 .

[syllogi]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

My big issue is choice.  I am glad for the choices I've been given in Bioware games lately, in terms of s/s LIs, but more choice is always better.  I don't do any romance content if the personality of the available LIs don't appeal to me, and I don't play male characters.  That has limited my options a lot, in the past, like when I found a character like Viconia way more attractive than Anomen.  

Making all of the characters bisexual gives us more choices, plain and simple.  There is no one-size-fits-all love interest, and other than DA2, I have never been given a female s/s choice as a romance option in a Bioware game that was the one I really, really wanted.  Why do some people have to "settle," while others don't?

[Clonedzero]

LiaraShepard wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

I doubt anyone here actually expects all LIs (past and present) to be bi in ME3.

Yes, it would be a lot of work.

However, I don't see an inherent problem with that system and think they should continue with it in future games (a la DA2) when there are only a few LIs to begin with.

Yes, I think too they should make all characters available for both genders in future games. It's just fair, since they said there won't be gay or lesbian characters. It's better to have all characters being bisexual from the beginning instead of giving lesbian and gay people less choices than heterosexual gamers. 

I still hope that at least all permanent squad members will be bisexual in ME3.

im gonna have to go ahead and disagree.

for future games there should be equal straight and gay romance options. however not everyone should be bi, that feels cheap and unrealistic to me. it should be split into 3rds, 1/3rd being straight, 1/3rd being bi, and 1/3rd being gay.

sure, not everyone would be able to romance exactly who they wanted, but it'd feel more realistic and would make it easier for them to be written really well. plus you wouldnt have to get into that awkward "well he's only bi if you romance him as a man, if you're female then he's straight" weird stuff. plus you could actually reference their sexual preference without it causing problems.

there was two really good gay characters in fallout: new vegas. not really romancable, but they were gay and lesbian respectively, and they both referenced that fact. they were my favorite followers too. you could hit on them as a straight character and get shut down, it was pretty cool.

like the samara romance, some characters should shoot you down. wouldnt it be interesting to be hitting on a female character in ME4 only for her to realize it alittle late and be like "ohhhhh, sorry shepard2, i'm a lesbian. no hard feelings though."

[Rinji the Bearded]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

I wouldn't mind it, but I don't know if it would happen, considering that some of the squadmates may be merely temporary.

The ones that are the least temporary though?  Yeah, sure.  I'm always up for more choice.  We've been promised new LIs, and Vega's looking like to be one of them (though it's still not 100% confirmed), but what if Vega is not exactly everyone's cup of tea?  What do you tell the s/s players then? "Too bad, this new guy's all you're gonna get."

Expand our choices all the around the board and no one gets hurt.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 10 août 2011 - 08:26 .

[LiquidGrape]

The Uncanny wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
+1

I think I need a special "problem finder" visor to see the issue with this.

I sometimes hear that 'it would take extra resources'. But that just isn't true. Look at the differences between MHawke romacing Isabela and FHawke romancing Isabela: negligible. A couple of alternate lines is far from being a resource drain...

If anything, it would probably be easier on resources, as the developers wouldn't have to construct unique dialogue trees depending solely on the player character's sex.

[Zjarcal]

The Uncanny wrote...

Zjarcal wrote...
+1

I think I need a special "problem finder" visor to see the issue with this.

I sometimes hear that 'it would take extra resources'. But that just isn't true. Look at the differences between MHawke romacing Isabela and FHawke romancing Isabela: negligible. A couple of alternate lines is far from being a resource drain...

It would only take extra resources if they created an entirely different path for each gender.

Gaider himself once said that it's incredibly easy to "piggyback" a different orientation romance on top of another (whatever way it went) at a minimal cost of resources.

[Jademoon121]

I can accept the idea of all "all bi" gang. It isn't an RPG without options and choices.

Modifié par Jademoon121, 10 août 2011 - 08:28 .