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[kumquats]

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

I'm 100% pro bisexual LI.
I don't choose LI because of the gender. They have to fit with my Shepards.

Example. I would never romance Miranda with my male Shepard. He is a Sole Survivor. I had to do the romance with my female Shepard, which was a lot of work. 59 Savegames.
The same goes for Kaidan. He is useless for my female Shepard, they don't fit, but he would have been a perfect match for my male Shepard.
I had to make an extra Paragon for Kaidan, why can't they all be BI. WHY?

With all the LI in ME3, I will have so much work.....

[Clonedzero]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Actually, allowing the majority of LI's being open to both sexes opens many doors for writing if done right. You're underestemating the power of a good story.

in theory. in practice it creates too many branching paths, variables, you cant get too specific about anyone at any time. it creates alot more problems then it solves. its possible, but damn would it be really hard to pull off. backrounds would be vague. thats if they're sexuality is based on choices made by the player. there'd be like a bunch of differently written versions of each character floating around getting unused. it'd be ALOT of work for very little payoff.

unless you're saying litterally have every character be bi in the canon. which would be really weird. possible, sure, but weird. i dont even think most people would be happy with that at all.

[Destroy Raiden_]

They're combining the people who want one of everyone for instance.

person A wants Tali, Kasumi, and Garrus only to be bi

person B only wants Kasumi

Person C wants Kaiden and Ash

Person D wants Ash and Garrus

Person E wants Grunt, Zeed, and so on

so in the end everyone has been tossed up that someone wants them to be bi ergo everyone gets made bi sense BW won't risk picking only Zeed, Kasumi, and Miranda for s/s options because all the people who wanted everyone else will rage I didn't get my selection and they did!

This is another reason why for s/s only new squad characters is simplistic and a better choice.

[Arik7]

Good point jib. If Tali was only available to paragons, and Garrus to renegades, there would be no end to complaining. It's "fun" to talk about restricting choices for others, but no it's not so fun when those restrictions are forced upon u.

[Clonedzero]

Finis Valorum wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Just out of curiosity, who among us is advocating that ALL the LIs be made bisexual? For the record, I am not one of those people, I'm just curious as to why this is such a hot-button issue.

I do, in the absence of specially designed gay Li's it's the best option since it assures me I'll have the same choices of the same attractiveness that everyone else does (in that regard it might actually be superior to a specially designed gay Li considering there's still an alarming tendency for gay characters to fall into a range of undesirable stereotypes).

However I still think ME3 is going to be more like DA:O than DA2 when it comes to romance, and since it looks like Vega's going to be the m/m option for this game it looks like I'm out of luck.

i thought kaidan got confirmed as being an s/s option in ME3?

[bleetman]

TMA LIVE wrote...

You want Bastila, you can take her, and keep her.

Done.

Dat voice

[Clonedzero]

Arik7 wrote...

Good point jib. If Tali was only available to paragons, and Garrus to renegades, there would be no end to complaining. It's "fun" to talk about restricting choices for others, but no it's not so fun when those restrictions are forced upon u.

why would that be bad? they'd be less generic. be more specific and be more rewarding as a result. its side content, why not make it GOOD side content? lol

why does everyone need to get exactly who they want at the sacrifice of quality? because having no restrictions keeps things vague, unspecific and generic. putting restrictions in makes things more specific and unique. the more specific and unique you get, the higher the quality.

this isnt a dating sim. its supposed to be a story driven roleplaying game with high quality characters and character development. putting no restrictions on character interaction limits character development. limiting character development limits the story, limiting the story makes the game worse.

trying to please every fan and make everyone happy is impossible. better to have some people be mad and alot of people be happy then EVERYONE being like "meh".

[Abispa]

I am not personally against the ME2 specific suicide squad member being bi because of fears of "retcon." Most of the characters are probably dead in a lot of players' saves so I don't see Bioware investing time on any new romances for the unless Shepard is already in one. Game Informer made it sound like most returning members will only make very limited appearances, LotSB style.

Of course, that MAY make it possible for Shepard to be a swinger since the various LIs probably won't have a chance to bump into each other for most of the game.

[Abispa]

Clonedzero wrote...

why does everyone need to get exactly who they want at the sacrifice of quality? because having no restrictions keeps things vague, unspecific and generic. putting restrictions in makes things more specific and unique. the more specific and unique you get, the higher the quality.

Everyone asks for what they want, and nobody wants a game that sucks. But a "quality" FPS RPG with LIs is difficult to define. I don't agree with you, the various regulars in this thread do not agree with each other, and a great many members of the entire Bioware forum are certifiably insane. I'm not saying that I'M not insane, but we all are getting ready to put down our $60 to $100 for various opening day versions of this game and it's Bioware's job to cater to as many as possible.

Giving one group of fans access to certain LIs while NOT denying the rest of the fan base a chance to romance them hurts no one except those who want to clutch their discs and scream, "No! Mine! Mine! Mine!"

[Arik7]

Clonedzero, if u can only romance 1 or perhaps no one of your choice, and overall ur choices are very limited, then it's not a quality RPG... If I wanted a story with strictly defined characters and events, I'd watch a movie...

[Clonedzero]

Abispa wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

why does everyone need to get exactly who they want at the sacrifice of quality? because having no restrictions keeps things vague, unspecific and generic. putting restrictions in makes things more specific and unique. the more specific and unique you get, the higher the quality.

Everyone asks for what they want, and nobody wants a game that sucks. But a "quality" FPS RPG with LIs is difficult to define. I don't agree with you, the various regulars in this thread do not agree with each other, and a great many members of the entire Bioware forum are certifiably insane. I'm not saying that I'M not insane, but we all are getting ready to put down our $60 to $100 for various opening day versions of this game and it's Bioware's job to cater to as many as possible.

Giving one group of fans access to certain LIs while NOT denying the rest of the fan base a chance to romance them hurts no one except those who want to clutch their discs and scream, "No! Mine! Mine! Mine!"

no matter how they handle it. im POSITIVE release day, and weeks after the forums are going to be full of people complaining about different things. making absolutely every person happy is impossible instead they should focus on quality and that'll end up making people happy. if that quality extends to expanding options, great. if it doesnt, at least what they did was still high quality.

im looking at this from a realistic point of view. where priorities matter. a few high quality romances is better than alot of crappy ones.

i mean have you been to BSN before? people are mad you cant romance joker, or EDI or other silly stuff like that.

i fully agree, that it would be wonderful if they could make everyone happy and include full options for absolutely everyone and have it all be super well done. thats not reality though.

[Jademoon121]

Clonedzero wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

why does everyone need to get exactly who they want at the sacrifice of quality? because having no restrictions keeps things vague, unspecific and generic. putting restrictions in makes things more specific and unique. the more specific and unique you get, the higher the quality.

Everyone asks for what they want, and nobody wants a game that sucks. But a "quality" FPS RPG with LIs is difficult to define. I don't agree with you, the various regulars in this thread do not agree with each other, and a great many members of the entire Bioware forum are certifiably insane. I'm not saying that I'M not insane, but we all are getting ready to put down our $60 to $100 for various opening day versions of this game and it's Bioware's job to cater to as many as possible.

Giving one group of fans access to certain LIs while NOT denying the rest of the fan base a chance to romance them hurts no one except those who want to clutch their discs and scream, "No! Mine! Mine! Mine!"

no matter how they handle it. im POSITIVE release day, and weeks after the forums are going to be full of people complaining about different things. making absolutely every person happy is impossible instead they should focus on quality and that'll end up making people happy. if that quality extends to expanding options, great. if it doesnt, at least what they did was still high quality.

im looking at this from a realistic point of view. where priorities matter. a few high quality romances is better than alot of crappy ones.

i mean have you been to BSN before? people are mad you cant romance joker, or EDI or other silly stuff like that.

i fully agree, that it would be wonderful if they could make everyone happy and include full options for absolutely everyone and have it all be super well done. thats not reality though.

Of course there will be gripping, there always is. But like Abispa said, romances are a very minute aspect of the game, and Bioware has always been good at making artificial ingame romances.

[Clonedzero]

Arik7 wrote...

Clonedzero, if u can only romance 1 or perhaps no one of your choice, and overall ur choices are very limited, then it's not a quality RPG... If I wanted a story with strictly defined characters and events, I'd watch a movie...

its not a damn dating sim.

the amount of romance options do not dictate the quality of the RPG.
and your choices wouldnt be very limited, some of your choices would limit your other choices. you know having consquences and stuff, having your choices actually MEAN something.

example: if im a complete and utter jerk to the quarians, i should not be able to romance tali no matter what.
if i help cerberus with a bunch of stuff, i should not be able to romance jack.

CHOICES SHOULD MEAN SOMETHING.

[Twizz089]

Arik7 wrote...

Clonedzero, if u can only romance 1 or perhaps no one of your choice, and overall ur choices are very limited, then it's not a quality RPG... If I wanted a story with strictly defined characters and events, I'd watch a movie...

Not having a choice and not making a choice because you dont like the choices are two different things.  If you want a story were everything can be customized to fit your liking I suggest you write a book.  A few well developed choices are always better then a lot of poorly done choices

[Jademoon121]

Except that there aren't always choices to be had. DA2, for all it's faults, actually game s/s romancers more that one option for once.

[Clonedzero]

Jademoon121 wrote...

Except that there aren't always choices to be had. DA2, for all it's faults, actually game s/s romancers more that one option for once.

yeah, but there was only 4 of them. and they were all written that way.
doing it in mass effect is way harder because this is the 3rd game. aside from liara there wasnt any s/s stuff and theres way more characters.

[Siansonea]

Hey guys? I just found something out that you'd all like to know. Apparently, Mass Effect 3 is NOT a dating sim. I know, I was shocked too. I'm not really sure what a dating sim is though, so I guess it's okay. As you were.

And I love how bisexual humans is the battleground for "realism" in this game. Not magical resurrection technology that nobody cares about, not the pointless abduction of humans for their "genetic material" to "feed" a Big Dumb Robot. Nope, bisexual humans. ::facepalm::

[bleetman]

These discussions always seem to go in circles for me. Not because they literally keep retreading the same points in sequence - though they do - but more because the idea of not adding in s/s romances due to the (apparent) drain it has on resources whilst advocating entirely new romances being added to include s/s availability is utterly mind boggling to me. Of the two, I know which one I'd bet costs more time and resources to implement.

On another note:

Clonedzero wrote...

i mean have you been to BSN before? people are mad you cant romance joker, or EDI or other silly stuff like that.

Oh no. You know not what you have done.

In this scenario, Ryzaki is a Balrog and you have just dug too greedily and too deep.

(I kid, I kid!)

[Arik7]

Twizz089 wrote...

Arik7 wrote...

Clonedzero, if u can only romance 1 or perhaps no one of your choice, and overall ur choices are very limited, then it's not a quality RPG... If I wanted a story with strictly defined characters and events, I'd watch a movie...

Not having a choice and not making a choice because you dont like the choices are two different things.  If you want a story were everything can be customized to fit your liking I suggest you write a book.  A few well developed choices are always better then a lot of poorly done choices

Just how "few" choices do you have in mind?  DA2 only has 2 LI choices for every gender and orientation, that's already a "big orgy" by your standards.

[Clonedzero]

Siansonea II wrote...

Hey guys? I just found something out that you'd all like to know. Apparently, Mass Effect 3 is NOT a dating sim. I know, I was shocked too. I'm not really sure what a dating sim is though, so I guess it's okay. As you were.

And I love how bisexual humans is the battleground for "realism" in this game. Not magical resurrection technology that nobody cares about, not the pointless abduction of humans for their "genetic material" to "feed" a Big Dumb Robot. Nope, bisexual humans. ::facepalm::

what? im all for bisexual humans.

im against bisexual aliens.

duh!

[Quole]

Siansonea II wrote...

Hey guys? I just found something out that you'd all like to know. Apparently, Mass Effect 3 is NOT a dating sim. I know, I was shocked too. I'm not really sure what a dating sim is though, so I guess it's okay. As you were.

And I love how bisexual humans is the battleground for "realism" in this game. Not magical resurrection technology that nobody cares about, not the pointless abduction of humans for their "genetic material" to "feed" a Big Dumb Robot. Nope, bisexual humans. ::facepalm::

To be fair, after ME2 came out, that was all people talked about. Now everyone is over it.

[Siansonea]

I think if an alien can somehow be turned on by a gross human, it shouldn't matter if that human is an innie or an outie. That's my two cents. You've already leaped across a great divide, you can take one more step.

[Abispa]

I do find it disturbing that Tali falls for Shepard in ME2 even if he was a complete DB to her in ME. But part of that responsibility does lie with me as the player. If I'm a DB to her all through ME, I can still keep her from falling for me by keeping my Shepard consistent and CONTINUE being a DB to her in ME2 by using every opportunity to ignore and discredit her through ME2. Heck, I can even take LEGION on board the flagship, refuse to hug her when she finds dad, expose her father as a war criminal during the trial, and then send her through the Collector base pipe and take my time getting to her.

If I side with Cerberus at every opportunity, tell Jack she's a nut job at every opportunity, and then tell her we don't have time to play Oprah and do her loyalty mission, I won't be able to romance her AND I get to watch her turn into KFC when we go through the Omega 4 relay.

Yeah, it's not "realistic" to have to go so far to get to a point of no return, but this is a FPS RPG VG, and we shape it with our choices for good, bad, or stupid. Bioware doesn't have to hold my hand and take me through the perfect story, nor does Bioware have to take away someone's option to create a stupid story as long as it gives me the ability to make a good one.

[jlb524]

Clonedzero wrote...

i mean have you been to BSN before? people are mad you cant romance joker, or EDI or other silly stuff like that.

Go bother the Joker romance thread then.

[Siansonea]

Quole wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

Hey guys? I just found something out that you'd all like to know. Apparently, Mass Effect 3 is NOT a dating sim. I know, I was shocked too. I'm not really sure what a dating sim is though, so I guess it's okay. As you were.

And I love how bisexual humans is the battleground for "realism" in this game. Not magical resurrection technology that nobody cares about, not the pointless abduction of humans for their "genetic material" to "feed" a Big Dumb Robot. Nope, bisexual humans. ::facepalm::

To be fair, after ME2 came out, that was all people talked about. Now everyone is over it.

And people have been fighting about s/s romance since the old ME1 days. They are clearly NOT over that issue.