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[Jademoon121]

bleetman wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Unless you actively romance Fenris there is NOTHING gay about him unless you believe that being a "man" means being a obnoxious lout with a crass sense of humor.

Hey, Oghren totally propositions the Warden in camp that one time.

Both sexes to be exact. Granted, he was drunk...well more so than usual.

[Clonedzero]

Abispa wrote...

I play as three straight male Hawke and I have NEVER been flirted with by a male character who wasn't a prostitute. I even avoided the infamous Anders "ninjamance" because my "nice" Hawke was justifiably POed at Anders during that scene and did not blindly choose the nice option because it was on top of the menu.

Granted Fenris did tend to be very complimentary at times, but if you paid attention to his character he likes to overcompensate for all the times he blows his stack and lashes out at Hawke. Since I do tend to leave the house and interact with real people on occasion I found that personality trait to be pretty believable.

Unless you actively romance Fenris there is NOTHING gay about him unless you believe that being a "man" means being a obnoxious lout with a crass sense of humor.

well, i remember hitting on you at the fireplace. i remember turning him down, the dialogue was CLEARLY turning him down, hawke says something like "thanks, but im not interested" or something to that effect and fenris clearly acknowledges his flirtation was shut down. he doesnt get mad or anything though.

also pretty sure theres a banter between isabella and fenris that references fenris having to do "favors" for his master.

[FKA_Servo]

Sunnie22 wrote...

I'm not sure what world you are from, or what DA2 you have been playing, but neither Anders or Fenris will hit on you unless you select the heart answer that initiates YOUR intention. Also not sure how you are "surrounded by gay men", since males can only romance Fenris and Anders. The ONLY character that will flirt with Hawke, whether male or female, is Isabela, because thats her character, thats who she is.  It also isn't going to do you any good to come into a s/s support thread and cry about how you don't want the gays in your game. It's a done deal, theres no more possibility for anyones feedback to sway the decision one way or the other. 

So why exactly are you here crying about gay content? What do you hope to gain by it? Do you have some goal or are you just here to troll the thread with anti-gay discussion? Honestly, I have a hard time deciding what it is your intent is here.

Anders absolutely hits on you if you're nice to him. And I can appreciate that it might be awkward because you get two heart buttons and one broken heart button - no neutral way out, so you are locked into the rivalry gain. But it's 10 rivalrly. It's a drop in the bucket. Fenris doesn't hit on you though, true.

[bleetman]

Jademoon121 wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Unless you actively romance Fenris there is NOTHING gay about him unless you believe that being a "man" means being a obnoxious lout with a crass sense of humor.

Hey, Oghren totally propositions the Warden in camp that one time.

Both sexes to be exact.

Sort of my point, yes

[Twizz089]

Jademoon121 wrote...

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Arik7 wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...
No they both initiates flirting with the PC, and all the LI were flirting with me, therefore my party consisted of two gay guys, a ugly elf, a dwarf, and the infamous isabella.  If the  romances are restricted to the party memebers, there is nothing wrong with Bi options  if you can "mold" your characters to be gay, I should be able to "mold" mine to be straight.  This was not the case in DA2 as all the males in my game were gay. (not counting the dwarf) Thats only fair right?

Next time try harder not to click the heart icon and Fenris will not flirt with you.  You can treat him like a straight `bro` if you want.  Varric, Carver (duh!) and Sebastian do not flirt with and are not available to the male PC.   More `bro`s for you to befriend.  So please don`t scream that you`re being surrounded by gay men in DA2. 

What exactly are you asking for.  Fewer than 2 LI choices is no choice at all.  

Did you have a playthrough as a straight male?  Both Fenris and Anders starting flirting with me if I was too nice. I dindt have to pick the silly heart, after they had already came out the closet.

 I I dont want this in ME3  I would prefer character sexuality to be unique to them, this allows for more depth in all the romance options.  However if the cheap and easy route of making all LI Bi is taken, make it so that the characters can at least stay straight if the player wishes.

Oh boo hoo. You get hit on, you turn them down, and they dislike you a bit for it. Like that never happens in reality.

My male friends dont turn gay after Im nice to them for a week or pick the heart option in conversations, so no.

So don't pick the optional dialogue that initiates the romance.

Hard to do when the optional dialogue is also the same dialogue that allows me to get to know them better

Then turn them down, and make up for the lost brownie points.

It would be too late, I would have lost the choice to keep my version of the character straight.  All I'm saying is that if you have the "power" to make every male LI gay, other players should have the "power" to keep them straight.  Asking them about there lives should not make them turn gay.  If its a new character like vega, and he wants to flirt fine, I will reject him, but I like my Garrius and Kaiden to be straight, DA2 did not do a good job with the romancing, being nice does not equal flirting.  Im asking for a better system in ME2, at least let me flirt first.

Modifié par Twizz089, 10 août 2011 - 10:56 .

[shepskisaac]

Clonedzero wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

this type of thing wouldnt work for mass effect. since they're all established characters.

Yep. It wouldn't make sense to them to hit on Shep if they didn't do that before. But it doesn't mean they can't be into Shep nonetheless and be up for a romance if approached by Shep.

exactly. any established characters who have an s/s option should be strictly player activated. new characters hitting on you is cool though. like if vega comes on to me that'd be fine, if kaidan did it then it wouldnt make sense. especially in context of my roleplaying.

Unless there's an option for Shep to state "I'm gay gay gay! :D" some way to other characters. In that case, Kaidan for example would know he may have a chance with Shep after all (unlike he did in ME1 thinking Shep was straight - it's actually already part of the canon) and it would be ok for him to hit on Shep.

[FKA_Servo]

Clonedzero wrote...

]well, i remember hitting on you at the fireplace. i remember turning him down, the dialogue was CLEARLY turning him down, hawke says something like "thanks, but im not interested" or something to that effect and fenris clearly acknowledges his flirtation was shut down. he doesnt get mad or anything though.

I'm pretty certain there is a a completely non-romantic way to proceed in this situation. IE, you can hit the heart, hit the broken heart, or just proceed normally with the conversation.

[Chun Hei]

Hey guys can you keep requoting each other so we can see just how narrow those text boxes can get? That is becoming more fascinating than finding new ways to say the same thing in an argument.

[Jademoon121]

Twizz089 wrote...

Jademoon121 wrote...

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Arik7 wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...
No they both initiates flirting with the PC, and all the LI were flirting with me, therefore my party consisted of two gay guys, a ugly elf, a dwarf, and the infamous isabella.  If the  romances are restricted to the party memebers, there is nothing wrong with Bi options  if you can "mold" your characters to be gay, I should be able to "mold" mine to be straight.  This was not the case in DA2 as all the males in my game were gay. (not counting the dwarf) Thats only fair right?

Next time try harder not to click the heart icon and Fenris will not flirt with you.  You can treat him like a straight `bro` if you want.  Varric, Carver (duh!) and Sebastian do not flirt with and are not available to the male PC.   More `bro`s for you to befriend.  So please don`t scream that you`re being surrounded by gay men in DA2. 

What exactly are you asking for.  Fewer than 2 LI choices is no choice at all.  

Did you have a playthrough as a straight male?  Both Fenris and Anders starting flirting with me if I was too nice. I dindt have to pick the silly heart, after they had already came out the closet.

 I I dont want this in ME3  I would prefer character sexuality to be unique to them, this allows for more depth in all the romance options.  However if the cheap and easy route of making all LI Bi is taken, make it so that the characters can at least stay straight if the player wishes.

Oh boo hoo. You get hit on, you turn them down, and they dislike you a bit for it. Like that never happens in reality.

My male friends dont turn gay after Im nice to them for a week or pick the heart option in conversations, so no.

So don't pick the optional dialogue that initiates the romance.

Hard to do when the optional dialogue is also the same dialogue that allows me to get to know them better

Then turn them down, and make up for the lost brownie points.

It would be too late, I would have lost the choice to keep my version of the character straight.  All I'm saying is that if you have the "power" to make every male LI gay, other players should have the "power" to keep them straight.  Asking them about there lives should not make them turn gay.  If its a new character like vega, and he wants to flirt fine, I will reject him, but I like my Garrius and Kaiden to be straight, DA2 did not do a good job with the romancing, being nice does not equal flirting.  Im asking for a better system in ME2, at least let me flirt first.

Okay, Anders, is bisexual. Even if you don't hit on him, you learn about his boyfriend on his first mission in the Chantry. Your Hawke's sexuality however is what you make of it, and as I remember, straight guys often turn down proposals by other men. Unless if I'm missing something.

[Chun Hei]

Clonedzero wrote...

also pretty sure theres a banter between isabella and fenris that references fenris having to do "favors" for his master.

I do not consider Fenris being raped by his slave owner as proof of gayness just as I do not take Jack's history of using her body as currency and being taken advantage of by opportunistic women is proof of her bisexuality.

[Cartims]

I find that when someone complains so vehemently about s's romance . it's because they are trying to get out of the closet but don't have the courage, yes COURAGE to be true to themselves.....the more you yell...the more you show yourself....wanna talk about it...I'm here.

[Clonedzero]

TommyServo wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
]exactly. any established characters who have an s/s option should be strictly player activated. new characters hitting on you is cool though. like if vega comes on to me that'd be fine, if kaidan did it then it wouldnt make sense. especially in context of my roleplaying.

Bolded because that's important.

Suppose in the context of my roleplaying, he'd been chomping at the bit since day 1, and only worked up the courage to say so in act 3, when Shepard, against all odds, returned from the dead?

You have a point about it being player initiated, though. I'm ok with that.

The "established character argument" has to go though. Seriously.

why does it have to go? its a very good argument. established characters shouldnt have such radical changes done to them and your interactions with them for such an arbitary reason as pleasing some fans.
i mean it can work, but its fairly obvious, and when i say fairly obvious i mean painfulyl obvious. you cannot play through all three mass effect games and go "oh i guess the fans wanted kaidan to be gay in the third one so they made him gay in the third one?"

though actually kaidan is a bad example, cus that whole "it feels like i lost an arm thing" is a bit over the top for a normal friendship and actually hints at more.

[Clonedzero]

Cartims wrote...

I find that when someone complains so vehemently about s's romance . it's because they are trying to get out of the closet but don't have the courage, yes COURAGE to be true to themselves.....the more you yell...the more you show yourself....wanna talk about it...I'm here.

stuff like this makes the s/s community lose credability.
especially when i dont see anyone outwardly against it, all thats being discussed right now is how it should be handled.

so keep your snarky, ignorant and insulting comments to yourself. you're just making yourself look bad.

[Ryzaki]

Cloned Zero...I'm going to say this as nicely as I can. 

Being raped by a certain gender is not indictive of someone's sexuality.
Everytime I hear that **** I want to go off.

Modifié par Ryzaki, 10 août 2011 - 11:12 .

[TheMarshal]

Clonedzero wrote...

why does it have to go? its a very good argument. established characters shouldnt have such radical changes done to them and your interactions with them for such an arbitary reason as pleasing some fans.
i mean it can work, but its fairly obvious, and when i say fairly obvious i mean painfulyl obvious. you cannot play through all three mass effect games and go "oh i guess the fans wanted kaidan to be gay in the third one so they made him gay in the third one?"

though actually kaidan is a bad example, cus that whole "it feels like i lost an arm thing" is a bit over the top for a normal friendship and actually hints at more.

What is it about an NPC being receptive to player-initiated flirtation that would make for such a "radical" change in their character?

[Siansonea]

Pyramids, people, pyramids. Ixnay.

[Clonedzero]

TheMarshal wrote...


What is it about an NPC being receptive to player-initiated flirtation that would make for such a "radical" change in their character?

thats not what i said. i said them hitting on you would be. not the other way around, big difference.

[FKA_Servo]

Clonedzero wrote...

]why does it have to go? its a very good argument. established characters shouldnt have such radical changes done to them and your interactions with them for such an arbitary reason as pleasing some fans.
i mean it can work, but its fairly obvious, and when i say fairly obvious i mean painfulyl obvious. you cannot play through all three mass effect games and go "oh i guess the fans wanted kaidan to be gay in the third one so they made him gay in the third one?"

though actually kaidan is a bad example, cus that whole "it feels like i lost an arm thing" is a bit over the top for a normal friendship and actually hints at more.

I think that whether this is a "radical" change is pretty much entirely subjective, based on how you interpret sexuality and it's relationship to "character." I certainly don't think one's sexual orientation is nearly as character defining as you do. Personally, I would look on this as a plausible expansion of character in each case. In any event, all it requires is some good writing at most - and Bioware has very good writers.

[Cartims]

I like my snarky comments, just like I like my S/S romances, sorry, you can't do a thing about it.

[Clonedzero]

Lunanella wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...

Cartims wrote...

I find that when someone complains so vehemently about s's romance . it's because they are trying to get out of the closet but don't have the courage, yes COURAGE to be true to themselves.....the more you yell...the more you show yourself....wanna talk about it...I'm here.

stuff like this makes the s/s community lose credability.
especially when i dont see anyone outwardly against it, all thats being discussed right now is how it should be handled.

so keep your snarky, ignorant and insulting comments to yourself. you're just making yourself look bad.

"(...) Snarky, ignorant and insulting comments (...)"

What an odd perspective. You are rude to her, you are acting ignorantly and you just insulted someone.

And what is there to be "handled" about S/S romances? Don't like it, don't play it. It's not like your character is going to plot against you if you reject him/her or if you pretend that they don't exist while playing your hetero-ish game. We are all free to choose how will we play, no one can take that RIGHT from us. Discussing it won't accomplish anything, for the values of people change accordingly to their culture; and here we have a huge blending of cultures.

she insulted me, i told her not to. i didnt even say anything to her. so please, dont suggest that i started anything there.

how am i acting ignorantly and how did i insult anyone other than responding to her initial insult?
im not taking away anyones rights and im not even against s/s romances.
please read my posts before jumping down my throat.....<_<

[Clonedzero]

Cartims wrote...

I like my snarky comments, just like I like my S/S romances, sorry, you can't do a thing about it.

im not trying to do anything about aside from have a reasonable mature conversation. apparently you insult anyone who has a slightly different opinion than yours.

fantastic for you.

[Twizz089]

Cartims wrote...

I like my snarky comments, just like I like my S/S romances, sorry, you can't do a thing about it.

If you want to participate in this discussion you can at least be constructive.

[Cartims]

How did I insult you, I never mentioned your name, if the heels fit, wear them.