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[Quething]

bleetman wrote...

Quething wrote...

I mean, Hawke can get her nutsy big sister a husband, and Shep can get her adoptive son a breeding request, why can't the Warden get her bro a good lay?

I get the impression Alistair wouldn't want his first time - or any time, I assume - to be with just anyone. Better someone he cares for.

Well, yes, excatly. That's why the conspiracy is required.

Also, my Cousland had to harden Al so he didn't end up puffy and morose in the Hanged Man, and hardened!Al will swing the threesome/foursome with Izzy, so it shouldn't be that much more of a push.

Speaking of Al and Izzy and the Dark Ritual, and plot-integrated LIs as I was... the more I think about it the more I think Joker should be the returning s/s LI instead of/in addition to Kaidan. Personally, I'd rather hook up with Kaidan, I have no Sheps who'd go for Joker and can't offhand come up with one, but if we're talking about love interests intrinsic to the wider story whose romance enhances major story events, Joker's the only male who can compete with Liara. And I do think that's really important. (Though another solution, I suppose, would be to give the VS a story role on the level of "vision translator, corpse retriever, Shadow Broker" in ME3. I can think of a lot of fans who'd lose their sh*t over that, though.)

[MACharlie1]

Clonedzero wrote...

she regressed. she was more mature and worldly in ME1. maybe she was pychologically damaged and went back to being a teenager or something? i dunno, but it wasnt good.

what they did with liara however was awesome

She did? 

The only time I can remember Tali being "shy" is when she starts talking about intimacy. The moment we saw Tali on Freedoms Progress:

"Fraza! You said you'd let ME handle this!" 
"What? Veetor needs medical treatment! Not an interrogation!" 
"I can't Shepard! I have a mission of my own!"
"That damn data better be worth it...."
"I am Tali - Clan Zorah of the starship Neema and YOU are an idiot!" 
"And if the Admiralty board doesn't like it - they can go to hell! I just watched my entire unit killed."
"I'm looking for my FATHER, you bo'shet!" (keep in mind this is directly to essentially one of the heads of the entire Quarian government)

[ladyofpayne]

Intresting who from new companions will be BI? James Vega? Or may be somebody else.

[ScotGaymer]

Dear god.

How many pages this leapt forward in like a day lol.

Let's not fight about how bad the Tali and Garrus romances were.

[LiaraShepard]

I actually like the Tali romance. It's cute and understandable, because she lost her dad and Shepard was on her side to defend and console her. And their relationship is based on friendship because Shepard knows her since ME1. So, it's not the case that she has seen him and suddenly fell in love.

[Evil_Ghosty]

I don't think everyone should be able to have a same sex relationship.
For instance, Kaidan , whilst I've only kept him alive for 10 minutes in every playthrough, not once
did he ever come across as gay or bi.  Why suddenly in ME3 would he be homosexual?
It doesn't make sense.

[ElitePinecone]

Evil_Ghosty wrote...

I don't think everyone should be able to have a same sex relationship.
For instance, Kaidan , whilst I've only kept him alive for 10 minutes in every playthrough, not once
did he ever come across as gay or bi.  Why suddenly in ME3 would he be homosexual?
It doesn't make sense.

So, uh, how *does* a gay person or bisexual act, exactly? 

[Evil_Ghosty]

Subtle hints you would think. During the whole game in ME1 a male shep could not romance him, so why all of a sudden shall he now? If Shep is romancing say, liara or Tali, Kaidan would get jealous you would think? There would be clues surely. I'm not against BI/Gay relationships, if they want to add them, whatever, but established characters shouldn't be changed to fit the mould.
Why should Kaidan not care who my Shep romanced in the first game , to all of a sudden care who Shep gets with.

[DCYNIGR8]

Evil_Ghosty wrote...

Subtle hints you would think. During the whole game in ME1 a male shep could not romance him, so why all of a sudden shall he now? If Shep is romancing say, liara or Tali, Kaidan would get jealous you would think? There would be clues surely. I'm not against BI/Gay relationships, if they want to add them, whatever, but established characters shouldn't be changed to fit the mould.
Why should Kaidan not care who my Shep romanced in the first game , to all of a sudden care who Shep gets with.

What about Garrus and Tali? They aren't romancable in ME either, but are in ME2.

I am also of the opinion that not all LI should be SS, but if pre-existing characters were chosen to be, the VS would be pretty much the only plausable option for me.

[The Uncanny]

DCYNIGR8 wrote...
I am also of the opinion that not all LI should be SS, but if pre-existing characters were chosen to be, the VS would be pretty much the only plausable option for me.

Define plausible. Because, I'm sorry, that logic is lost on me. I don't see how Ash is any more 'plausible' as an f/f romance option than Miranda.

[Twizz089]

DCYNIGR8 wrote...

I am also of the opinion that not all LI should be SS, but if pre-existing characters were chosen to be, the VS would be pretty much the only plausable option for me.

It has already been confirmed that not all Ll will be ss, that being said, I find it to be the least believable that Ashley would be gay in ME3.  Ashley is often times closed minded, she is the closest thing to xenophobic in the squad, and has already expressed her attraction to males.  Combine this with her religious belief then you have a character that would be the least believable as gay.  Now Im not saying that gay people cant be religious, but religion combined with somewhat closed minded, combined with near xenophobia, combined with previous stated male attraction, equals someone with the least likelihood to be coming out of the closet.

I think a more believable solution would simply be Kaiden and Vega, as m/f or m/m and Liara and the last squad member as f/m or f/f  That leaves o/s with 3 options and s/s with 2 options.  The only other way to give everybody 3 options would be if Garrus became gay also.  Without Garrus, if Ashley is gay also, it would be 2 for gay males and 3 for everyone else including s/s females.

Modifié par Twizz089, 11 août 2011 - 01:34 .

[shepskisaac]

Evil_Ghosty wrote...

Subtle hints you would think. During the whole game in ME1 a male shep could not romance him, so why all of a sudden shall he now? If Shep is romancing say, liara or Tali, Kaidan would get jealous you would think? There would be clues surely. I'm not against BI/Gay relationships, if they want to add them, whatever, but established characters shouldn't be changed to fit the mould.
Why should Kaidan not care who my Shep romanced in the first game , to all of a sudden care who Shep gets with.

Is his Horizon tirade "Thinking you were gone... Was like losing a limb...! Why didn't you call me!??! Why didn't you let me know you were alive?!?!" enough of a subtle hint?

[Clonedzero]

Twizz089 wrote...

DCYNIGR8 wrote...

I am also of the opinion that not all LI should be SS, but if pre-existing characters were chosen to be, the VS would be pretty much the only plausable option for me.

It has already been confirmed that not all Ll will be ss, that being said, I find it to be the least believable that Ashley would be gay in ME3.  Ashley is often times closed minded, she is the closest thing to xenophobic in the squad, and has already expressed her attraction to males.  Combine this with her religious belief then you have a character that would be the least believable as gay.  Now Im not saying that gay people cant be religious, but religion combined with somewhat closed minded, combined with near xenophobia, combined with previous stated male attraction, equals someone with the least likelihood to be coming out of the closet.

I think a more believable solution would simply be Kaiden and Vega, as m/f or m/m and Liara and the last squad member as f/m or f/f  That leaves o/s with 3 options and s/s with 2 options.  The only other way to give everybody 3 options would be if Garrus became gay also.  Without Garrus, if Ashley is gay also, it would be 2 for gay males and 3 for everyone else including s/s females.

i dont particularly agree. i think the VS, both of them are good candidates for it.

ashley gets a bad rap for being a xenophobe and close minded when she's not. she's just cynical. ive met plenty of cynical homosexuals. also, her being religious doesnt disqualify her at all. theres a gay church just a town or two over from me irl. plenty of others in the area are very welcoming to gay people. sure i live in a fairly liberal state, but 200 years in the future? it'd be fine.

kaidan is confirmed to be an s/s character, which im happy about, he seems to be the most popular choice for it. plus the way they're trying to have teh VS's mirror each other pretty heavily. and the whole 2 years being apart, it seems perfect for having them do some soul searching in that time.

the ME2 cast, seems the least likely just because its only like, what? a month or two after ME2? so thats a bit more of a stretch.

ashley and kaidan are absolutely perfect for s/s romances. also vega and that rumored vigilante female character sound like solid choices as well. also if they wanna dive into non-squadmate romances from the normandy crew, kelly-style. that would be pretty good too.

[Zjarcal]

The Uncanny wrote...

DCYNIGR8 wrote...
I am also of the opinion that not all LI should be SS, but if pre-existing characters were chosen to be, the VS would be pretty much the only plausable option for me.

Define plausible. Because, I'm sorry, that logic is lost on me. I don't see how Ash is any more 'plausible' as an f/f romance option than Miranda.

Indeedo. I fail to see how anyo one character would be more "plausible" than others as bi. It's not like the characters have "bi traits" for us to say who would be more "plausible" as bi.

[Clonedzero]

The Uncanny wrote...

DCYNIGR8 wrote...
I am also of the opinion that not all LI should be SS, but if pre-existing characters were chosen to be, the VS would be pretty much the only plausable option for me.

Define plausible. Because, I'm sorry, that logic is lost on me. I don't see how Ash is any more 'plausible' as an f/f romance option than Miranda.

because ashley has been away for years. miranda has been chilling with you throughout all of ME2, so it seems if it was gonna come up it would have by now.

thats not saying miranda being an f/f option isnt possible.

its just saying its more PLAUSIBLE than miranda, due to the time apart. easier to show change in character that wont be so sudden.

[Evil_Ghosty]

IsaacShep wrote...

Evil_Ghosty wrote...

Subtle hints you would think. During the whole game in ME1 a male shep could not romance him, so why all of a sudden shall he now? If Shep is romancing say, liara or Tali, Kaidan would get jealous you would think? There would be clues surely. I'm not against BI/Gay relationships, if they want to add them, whatever, but established characters shouldn't be changed to fit the mould.
Why should Kaidan not care who my Shep romanced in the first game , to all of a sudden care who Shep gets with.

Is his Horizon tirade "Thinking you were gone... Was like losing a limb...! Why didn't you call me!??! Why didn't you let me know you were alive?!?!" enough of a subtle hint?

I would be like that if had lost any of my mates whom I thought was dead.  Doesn't make me gay.    A subtle hint would be something a kin to a touch of hands or a lock of eyes etc.

[Twizz089]

Clonedzero wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...

It has already been confirmed that not all Ll will be ss, that being said, I find it to be the least believable that Ashley would be gay in ME3.  Ashley is often times closed minded, she is the closest thing to xenophobic in the squad, and has already expressed her attraction to males.  Combine this with her religious belief then you have a character that would be the least believable as gay.  Now Im not saying that gay people cant be religious, but religion combined with somewhat closed minded, combined with near xenophobia, combined with previous stated male attraction, equals someone with the least likelihood to be coming out of the closet.

I think a more believable solution would simply be Kaiden and Vega, as m/f or m/m and Liara and the last squad member as f/m or f/f  That leaves o/s with 3 options and s/s with 2 options.  The only other way to give everybody 3 options would be if Garrus became gay also.  Without Garrus, if Ashley is gay also, it would be 2 for gay males and 3 for everyone else including s/s females.

i dont particularly agree. i think the VS, both of them are good candidates for it.

ashley gets a bad rap for being a xenophobe and close minded when she's not. she's just cynical. ive met plenty of cynical homosexuals. also, her being religious doesnt disqualify her at all. theres a gay church just a town or two over from me irl. plenty of others in the area are very welcoming to gay people. sure i live in a fairly liberal state, but 200 years in the future? it'd be fine.

kaidan is confirmed to be an s/s character, which im happy about, he seems to be the most popular choice for it. plus the way they're trying to have teh VS's mirror each other pretty heavily. and the whole 2 years being apart, it seems perfect for having them do some soul searching in that time.

the ME2 cast, seems the least likely just because its only like, what? a month or two after ME2? so thats a bit more of a stretch.

ashley and kaidan are absolutely perfect for s/s romances. also vega and that rumored vigilante female character sound like solid choices as well. also if they wanna dive into non-squadmate romances from the normandy crew, kelly-style. that would be pretty good too.

Am I the only one that hates how heavily they mirror each other?  I rotated who I killed and who I saved when I first played ME1 for a change in the story, when I got to ME2 basically the same lines just with a different body on them, I had hoped they would both offer somthing  unique and different to the story, but in ME3 with both being spectres and both being promoted etc.. it seems like more of the same mirror crap.

I agree that  the VS but and most likely be the solution if the same lazy mirrior writing applys in ME3. Ashley just doesnt come of as gay to me, she already stated shes attaracted to men, but I guess people can do alot of changing in 2years.  That would still leave gay males with the least amount of options.

Modifié par Twizz089, 11 août 2011 - 02:12 .

[The Uncanny]

Clonedzero wrote...
because ashley has been away for years. miranda has been chilling with you throughout all of ME2, so it seems if it was gonna come up it would have by now.

thats not saying miranda being an f/f option isnt possible.

its just saying its more PLAUSIBLE than miranda, due to the time apart. easier to show change in character that wont be so sudden.

Okay, but what you're describing is narrative convenience which has nothing to do with 'plausibility'. A person can summon up the courage to tell you how they feel about you. Or how they feel can dawn on them. And that is no more 'plausible' on one side of this than the other.

To be clear, I'm not saying 'Miranda is more plausible than Ashley'. All I'm saying is 'I don't see how Ashley is somehow more plausible than Miranda'. And I still don't.

Modifié par The Uncanny, 11 août 2011 - 02:12 .

[shepskisaac]

Evil_Ghosty wrote...

I would be like that if had lost any of my mates whom I thought was dead.  Doesn't make me gay.    A subtle hint would be something a kin to a touch of hands or a lock of eyes etc.

Lul what? I don't subtly touch guys who I'm attracted to without knowing if they're gay/bi too and without knowing if they're attracted to me as well. Touching someone is not subtle

Modifié par IsaacShep, 11 août 2011 - 02:14 .

[DCYNIGR8]

To those who are interested in SS LI, would you not feel a little cheated if the only SS options available to you in ME3 (Other than obviously Liara for f/f) were characters that were thrown in for the benefit of new players to the series and to give your Shep the option of a SS relationship? Characters like Vega who we know nothing about and some unconfirmed female character?

Kaidan also expresses his attraction to females as he tells you about a girl he had feelings for in ME and if romanced in ME2, sends an email saying how he is going on somewhat of a date with a woman he's met, I think it's just as believable that Ash can be gay/bi, as it is for Kaidan.

As for Miranda, and even Jacob for that matter, I just think the history behind the VS and Shep has a more believable way, for me at least, of becoming a SS relationship than it does for Miranda or Jacob. But that's just my feelings on the matter, I'm sure for you a FemShep/Miranda option is totally viable and I have no problems with that.

Again, I don't think the SS option should be available for all LI, just for the sake of trying to please everyone. Especially when there's a good chance the lines of dialogue will probably be the same as I don't see BioWare writing individual romances for ALL possibilities. Whoever BioWare choose, they should stick to who they believe is right it and make it believable and unique experience.

Modifié par DCYNIGR8, 11 août 2011 - 02:15 .

[Evil_Ghosty]

Zjarcal wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

DCYNIGR8 wrote...
I am also of the opinion that not all LI should be SS, but if pre-existing characters were chosen to be, the VS would be pretty much the only plausable option for me.

Define plausible. Because, I'm sorry, that logic is lost on me. I don't see how Ash is any more 'plausible' as an f/f romance option than Miranda.

Indeedo. I fail to see how anyo one character would be more "plausible" than others as bi. It's not like the characters have "bi traits" for us to say who would be more "plausible" as bi.

I think what DCYNIGR8 was saying that if any character would turn gay for shep, it would most likley be the VS character, whilst I disagree that VS character should be s/s romance.   Out of any of them it would be that character, to me VS has gone through the most with shep and has to deal with alot more than most other characters.  Its not so much Gay traits.  Miranda didnt spend 2 years mourning you.  VS Did.  

[ElitePinecone]

Twizz089 wrote...
Ashley just doesnt come of as gay to me, she already stated shes attaracted to men, but I guess people can do alot of changing in 2years.  That would still leave gay males with the least amount of options.

There's such a thing as bisexuality, you know 

Simply put: showing an interest only in men doesn't necessarily rule out a female character being also attracted to women. 

There's no 'changing' involved, if Ashley were always bisexual (that's if Bioware chose to write it that way - they might have something else planned, if she is even an option). We're just seeing another facet of her personality, so to speak. 

Any number of reasons would adequately explain the lack of a romance in Mass Effect - the simplest being "I didn't know you were interested." 

It's also confirmed there'll be new characters, so I'm confident many players will have a range of choices.