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[shepskisaac]

DCYNIGR8 wrote...

To those who are interested in SS LI, would you not feel a little cheated if the only SS options available to you in ME3 (Other than obviously Liara for f/f) were characters that were thrown in for the benefit of new players to the series and to give your Shep the option of a SS relationship? Characters like Vega who we know nothing about and some unconfirmed female character?

Yep, I would feel cheated in some way, many other people as well. We already feel cheated. If it wasn't for the time constraints and the fact gay community is not big thus not high on priority list, Ash & Kaidan would've been s/s LI options from the get go.

DCYNIGR8 wrote...
and if romanced in ME2, sends an email saying how he is going on somewhat of a date with a woman he's met

Actually, he doesn't say it's a woman, he says "a doctor from the Citadel". It's kind of interesting the way it is paraphrased

Modifié par IsaacShep, 11 août 2011 - 02:17 .

[Twizz089]

The Uncanny wrote...

Clonedzero wrote...
because ashley has been away for years. miranda has been chilling with you throughout all of ME2, so it seems if it was gonna come up it would have by now.

thats not saying miranda being an f/f option isnt possible.

its just saying its more PLAUSIBLE than miranda, due to the time apart. easier to show change in character that wont be so sudden.

Okay, but you're describing is narrative convenience which has nothing to do with 'plausibility'. A person can summon up the courage to tell you how they feel about you. Or how they feel can dawn on them. And that is no more 'plausible' on one side of this than the other.

To be clear, I'm not saying 'Miranda is more plausible than Ashley'. All I'm saying is 'I don't see how Ashley is somehow more plausible than Miranda'. And I still don't.

Since she most likely wont be a squad memeber, and if she survived will only have a cameo apperence and maybe a role as a temp squad mate (like Liara in ME2) the least amount of time will be used for building her romance.  You couldnt start a romance with Liara in ME2 if you didnt romance her in ME1, why? because it didnt fit the story and you werent able to spend enough time with Liara in ME2.  I think its safe to assume similar rules will apply to the LIs like Miranda Jacob etc, from ME2.   They will get the Liara ME2 treatment.

Modifié par Twizz089, 11 août 2011 - 02:19 .

[Evil_Ghosty]

IsaacShep wrote...

Evil_Ghosty wrote...

I would be like that if had lost any of my mates whom I thought was dead.  Doesn't make me gay.    A subtle hint would be something a kin to a touch of hands or a lock of eyes etc.

Lul what? I don't subtly touch guys who I'm attracted to without knowing if they're gay/bi too and without knowing if they're attracted to me as well. Touching someone is not subtle

I'm not going to get into the details on how to flirt, but a slight touch or brush handa is subtle,  I dont mean grabbing their hand or  Slapping them on the arse.  

[DCYNIGR8]

IsaacShep wrote...

Actually, he doesn't say it's a woman, he says "a doctor from the Citadel". It's kind of interesting the way it is paraphrased

Really? I'll admit I've not done a Kaidan romance in ME for a while, I just assumed he was refering to a woman. Interesting indeed.

[Clonedzero]

The Uncanny wrote...

Okay, but what you're describing is narrative convenience which has nothing to do with 'plausibility'. A person can summon up the courage to tell you how they feel about you. Or how they feel can dawn on them. And that is no more 'plausible' on one side of this than the other.

To be clear, I'm not saying 'Miranda is more plausible than Ashley'. All I'm saying is 'I don't see how Ashley is somehow more plausible than Miranda'. And I still don't.

i think the time apart is a big thing with how believable it'll be.

the big thing i keep hearing is that "they have to summon the courage to tell you how they feel". i dont buy into the whole, lots of people being in the closet in a futuristic society like mass effect. i just dont see people hiding it so much or being so hesistant about it. its something like 270something years in the future.

so someone being with you for months showing absolutely no interest at all, and then suddenly starting seems a bit contrived to me.

however, someone being away from you for a good amount of time, they have plenty of time for reflection, self discovery, for feelings to cook up, ect. making the transition from strictly straight character to bi, far more believable. in my opinion at least.

not saying miranda or other ME2 characters being bi is a bad thing. it'd just appear more like "we made this character bi to meet the quota" rather than actual character development.

[ElitePinecone]

DCYNIGR8 wrote...

would you not feel a little cheated

No, I'd be grateful. 

Bioware have no obligation to do any of this. For two years they ignored the issue, stonewalled its proponents (that's probably a good verb to use!) and made awkward excuses in media interviews as to why the character was somehow pre-defined. 

By all rights - and risk-averse, cautious logic - they should be staying away from this issue and running as close as possible to the very mainstream, very conservative, very archetypical hero narrative marketing shtick that would, so wisdom says, sell a bunch of copies. 

But clearly they value investment in player choice for its own sake. They have numbers on people who use s/s content  - and it's been said to be more than one would expect - but it's obvious that it's not going to be a majority of the player base, and probably never will be. 

Investing in it at all is an indication of rapport with the player base and a willingness to spend time and effort on content that expands player association and connection with the game and its character. 

I'm just happy it's in there at all. 

[Cartims]

"It's not true that life is one damn thing after another; it's one damn thing over and over."
— Edna St. Vincent Millay

[The Uncanny]

Twizz089 wrote...
*snip*

That's an awful lot of assumptions. And assumptions do tend to bite you in the ass.

Let's just wait and see, shall we?

[The Uncanny]

Clonedzero wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

Okay, but what you're describing is narrative convenience which has nothing to do with 'plausibility'. A person can summon up the courage to tell you how they feel about you. Or how they feel can dawn on them. And that is no more 'plausible' on one side of this than the other.

To be clear, I'm not saying 'Miranda is more plausible than Ashley'. All I'm saying is 'I don't see how Ashley is somehow more plausible than Miranda'. And I still don't.

i think the time apart is a big thing with how believable it'll be.

the big thing i keep hearing is that "they have to summon the courage to tell you how they feel". i dont buy into the whole, lots of people being in the closet in a futuristic society like mass effect. i just dont see people hiding it so much or being so hesistant about it. its something like 270something years in the future.

so someone being with you for months showing absolutely no interest at all, and then suddenly starting seems a bit contrived to me.

however, someone being away from you for a good amount of time, they have plenty of time for reflection, self discovery, for feelings to cook up, ect. making the transition from strictly straight character to bi, far more believable. in my opinion at least.

not saying miranda or other ME2 characters being bi is a bad thing. it'd just appear more like "we made this character bi to meet the quota" rather than actual character development.

Er... we're going around in circles now, right?

I find the suggestion that being two hundred plus years in the future would somehow change how people feel rather odd.

And if you want to believe it to be 'contrived' then that is up to you. An awful lot of contrivance goes into these narratives. Personally I don't see that this would count towards it.

But it's just 'I think one thing' and 'I think another' right now. So that is where it will have to stay.

[Twizz089]

The Uncanny wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...
*snip*

That's an awful lot of assumptions. And assumptions do tend to bite you in the ass.

Let's just wait and see, shall we?

Im just basing my thinking on what has been said and what it ment when said before.  It has already been confirmed that some squad memembers from ME2 wont be squad memebers in ME3 but they will be in the game.  This same thing was said by Bioware about the ME1 squad memebers, and what happened? Best case the Liara treatment (temp squad mate) Worst case Wrex/VS treatment (cameo)  Now when it comes to Liara you couldnt go into the game without previously romancing her, and then start the romance. Nor could you start a brand new romance with the VS  If you couldnt start a brand new romance with Liara in ME2 because of time, story etc.  Why would you be able to do it in ME3?  It would take far too many reasources to make it so that you could begin a new romance with every character in the series for the final game.  S/S or O/S you wont be able to start a brand new romance with a character who only plays a part time role in the game

Modifié par Twizz089, 11 août 2011 - 02:37 .

[The Uncanny]

Twizz089 wrote...
*snip*

More assumptions. But nice try.

[Twizz089]

The Uncanny wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...
*snip*

More assumptions. But nice try.

lol whatever... I guess we will wait and see then

[LiaraShepard]

Ehm, I have a question. is it official now that Miranda only plays a small role in the game and that she's not in the permanent squad again? Tali and Garrus are confirmed, but does it mean, all other characters from Mass Effect 2 aren't available? Of course, there are too many characters to have all of them in the squad again. But is it really official, that Tali and Garrus are the only characters from ME2?

[lazuli]

DCYNIGR8 wrote...

To those who are interested in SS LI, would you not feel a little cheated if the only SS options available to you in ME3 (Other than obviously Liara for f/f) were characters that were thrown in for the benefit of new players to the series and to give your Shep the option of a SS relationship? Characters like Vega who we know nothing about and some unconfirmed female character?

I wouldn't feel cheated.  I don't require a trilogy spanning romance or anything of the sort.  I don't roleplay, though, so that might have something to do with my lack of enthusiasm for returning characters to be available for SS romances.  To be clear, I do want some previous squadmates to be available as SS love interests.  I won't be heartbroken if it doesn't work out that way, though.

[coolair74]

Clonedzero wrote...

The Uncanny wrote...

Okay, but what you're describing is narrative convenience which has nothing to do with 'plausibility'. A person can summon up the courage to tell you how they feel about you. Or how they feel can dawn on them. And that is no more 'plausible' on one side of this than the other.

To be clear, I'm not saying 'Miranda is more plausible than Ashley'. All I'm saying is 'I don't see how Ashley is somehow more plausible than Miranda'. And I still don't.

i think the time apart is a big thing with how believable it'll be.

the big thing i keep hearing is that "they have to summon the courage to tell you how they feel". i dont buy into the whole, lots of people being in the closet in a futuristic society like mass effect. i just dont see people hiding it so much or being so hesistant about it. its something like 270something years in the future.

so someone being with you for months showing absolutely no interest at all, and then suddenly starting seems a bit contrived to me.

however, someone being away from you for a good amount of time, they have plenty of time for reflection, self discovery, for feelings to cook up, ect. making the transition from strictly straight character to bi, far more believable. in my opinion at least.

not saying miranda or other ME2 characters being bi is a bad thing. it'd just appear more like "we made this character bi to meet the quota" rather than actual character development.

And this is the major concern of why changes made in the 3rd act of a series can be tricky.  If you want to introduce a new character that is bi or gay at this point, its fine, but changing someone just make ppl happy is a bit contrived to say the least. This is the sole reason I hated Anders in DA2.  Now I would think if you have an already established LI, that the others would be disabled so since I was into Liara, Garrus isnt gonna come by one night and get " friendly "

[Twizz089]

LiaraShepard wrote...

Ehm, I have a question. is it official now that Miranda only plays a small role in the game and that she's not in the permanent squad again? Tali and Garrus are confirmed, but does it mean, all other characters from Mass Effect 2 aren't available? Of course, there are too many characters to have all of them in the squad again. But is it really official, that Tali and Garrus are the only characters from ME2?

Nothing is official as of now.
The people with the "inside scoop" are saying that only one more squad member will be revealed and she is  female.
People have already complained alot about too many squad members in ME2, and less characters that are stronger and more developed is the better option.
A team of Liara, the VS, the 2 new squad members and Tali and Garrus (6-4) seems like the most likely scenario at this point

[shepskisaac]

Evil_Ghosty wrote...

I'm not going to get into the details on how to flirt, but a slight touch or brush handa is subtle,  I dont mean grabbing their hand or  Slapping them on the arse.  

If a guy softly brushes my hand, THEN I will think something's going on lol. If he slaps me on the ass or something like that then I will just assume he's joking around with me. Seriously, don't you think soft, gentle brush is more telling/intimate/erotic than a big slap on the ass you've done countless times with your friends (of any gender and orientation) just to mess with them?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 11 août 2011 - 02:50 .

[Clonedzero]

LiaraShepard wrote...

Ehm, I have a question. is it official now that Miranda only plays a small role in the game and that she's not in the permanent squad again? Tali and Garrus are confirmed, but does it mean, all other characters from Mass Effect 2 aren't available? Of course, there are too many characters to have all of them in the squad again. But is it really official, that Tali and Garrus are the only characters from ME2?

no, its all just people speculating.

to biowares credit, they're being very tight lipped about the cast and story of the game. which honestly i apperciate, as information hungry as i am about the game. i probably want to know as little as possible starting the game up.

finding out the entire cast of characters, how and when you get them, whos romancable in what ways, sorta spoils the game. they let out way too much info with ME2 spoiling alot of moments for people. i think they're being more careful this time which si a good thing. though it does lead to people speculating for 50 pages about petty nonsense lol

[ElitePinecone]

LiaraShepard wrote...

Ehm, I have a question. is it official now that Miranda only plays a small role in the game and that she's not in the permanent squad again? Tali and Garrus are confirmed, but does it mean, all other characters from Mass Effect 2 aren't available? Of course, there are too many characters to have all of them in the squad again. But is it really official, that Tali and Garrus are the only characters from ME2?

The squad isn't by any means confirmed. Bioware have contradicted themselves a couple of times trying to explain how it all works. 

Basically: there are a few (or many?) 'permanent' squad members, and many 'temporary' characters that join Shepard for a short (or long?) while, but aren't considered permanent. 

I've seen Garrus and Tali put in both categories, because they could've died in ME2 and it seems unlilely that they'd make a core part of the squad.

What has been suggested or hinted at  - by Christina Norman, I think, on Twitter - is that player choices shape the makeup of the squad, and characters jump in and out of it (joining and leaving) depending on the story events of the game. This might indicate that there's a small core of main characters and a bunch of others. I really don't know. 

I haven't heard *anything* about Miranda, and I'd hesitate to put Garrus and Tali in the permanent category. More likely is that they're prominant (because of their huge fanbase) but not *necessary* to play the game, because they could be dead. 

[DCYNIGR8]

Twizz089 wrote...

LiaraShepard wrote...

Ehm, I have a question. is it official now that Miranda only plays a small role in the game and that she's not in the permanent squad again? Tali and Garrus are confirmed, but does it mean, all other characters from Mass Effect 2 aren't available? Of course, there are too many characters to have all of them in the squad again. But is it really official, that Tali and Garrus are the only characters from ME2?

Nothing is official as of now.
The people with the "inside scoop" are saying that only one more squad member will be revealed and she is  female.
People have already complained alot about too many squad members in ME2, and less characters that are stronger and more developed is the better option.
A team of Liara, the VS, the 2 new squad members and Tali and Garrus (6-4) seems like the most likely scenario at this point

Though during the videos of Comic-con I watched over on BioWare Pulse, Casey Hudson said, a good four or five times, that "the galaxy is at war and nothing is permanent". I don't think anyone will be a 'permanent' squad member, people will come and go as the circumstances demand, some characters will just be with you longer than others.

[LiaraShepard]

Twizz089 wrote...

LiaraShepard wrote...

Ehm, I have a question. is it official now that Miranda only plays a small role in the game and that she's not in the permanent squad again? Tali and Garrus are confirmed, but does it mean, all other characters from Mass Effect 2 aren't available? Of course, there are too many characters to have all of them in the squad again. But is it really official, that Tali and Garrus are the only characters from ME2?

Nothing is official as of now.
The people with the "inside scoop" are saying that only one more squad member will be revealed and she is  female.
People have already complained alot about too many squad members in ME2, and less characters that are stronger and more developed is the better option.
A team of Liara, the VS, the 2 new squad members and Tali and Garrus (6-4) seems like the most likely scenario at this point

ah okay, thanks for answer. I'm a bit surprised, because Miranda was so important in Mass Effect 2 instead of Tali and Garrus and those are in the squad again, but okay...maybe it's because bioware want the same number of aliens in the party as humans are in there.

[Twizz089]

DCYNIGR8 wrote...

Though during the videos of Comic-con I watched over on BioWare Pulse, Casey Hudson said, a good four or five times, that "the galaxy is at war and nothing is permanent". I don't think anyone will be a 'permanent' squad member, people will come and go as the circumstances demand, some characters will just be with you longer than others.

I would really like that... well as long as I can keep my Ash with me the entire game lol

[LiaraShepard]

DCYNIGR8 wrote...

Twizz089 wrote...

LiaraShepard wrote...

Ehm, I have a question. is it official now that Miranda only plays a small role in the game and that she's not in the permanent squad again? Tali and Garrus are confirmed, but does it mean, all other characters from Mass Effect 2 aren't available? Of course, there are too many characters to have all of them in the squad again. But is it really official, that Tali and Garrus are the only characters from ME2?

Nothing is official as of now.
The people with the "inside scoop" are saying that only one more squad member will be revealed and she is  female.
People have already complained alot about too many squad members in ME2, and less characters that are stronger and more developed is the better option.
A team of Liara, the VS, the 2 new squad members and Tali and Garrus (6-4) seems like the most likely scenario at this point

Though during the videos of Comic-con I watched over on BioWare Pulse, Casey Hudson said, a good four or five times, that "the galaxy is at war and nothing is permanent". I don't think anyone will be a 'permanent' squad member, people will come and go as the circumstances demand, some characters will just be with you longer than others.

Hm I don't know...it wouldn't make much sense to have Vega and the new female squad as romanceable characters when they are just temporary team members, since you have to get to know them at first. And this takes time.

Modifié par LiaraShepard, 11 août 2011 - 02:58 .