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[Chun Hei]

Dhiro wrote...

I never played ME1 (I do know most of the story, though), so I just use pre-made saves from me2saves... that's said, I really want to get my hands on the game. No shop on my country is selling it, though :|

Can you download a copy for PC/XBox/PS3? I believe Bioware are made it avialble on all three networks.

[Chun Hei]

Clonedzero wrote...

so if aria is a squadmate as she's rumored in some circles to be, being an asari, it'd be safe to assume she'd be s/s if she was romancable at all?

She may or not be. According to Game Informer the demo intentionally used the wrong models in some scenes so surprises in the game would not be given away early. For all we know she could have just been filler.

[shepskisaac]

Just another confirmation not all LIs in ME3 will be available for s/s romance:

Mac Walters tweeted...

@macwalterslives are we going to be able to romance any gender?
twitter.com/#!/RichiSkaro/status/102301260174204928

@RichiSkaro Some, but not all characters will be available for same sex relationships.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102503866595160066

Yeah... Any predictions who will it won't be? I'm clueless

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 août 2011 - 12:33 .

[Chun Hei]

In a way I want to know who will be s/s but at the same time I want to find out in the game itself. I suppose it will make no difference because I do not think supporters can change Bioware's minds now any more than the s/s critics can at this point.

[MACharlie1]

IsaacShep wrote...

Just another confirmation not all LIs in ME3 will be available for s/s romance:

Mac Walters tweeted...

@macwalterslives are we going to be able to romance any gender?
twitter.com/#!/RichiSkaro/status/102301260174204928

@RichiSkaro Some, but not all characters will be available for same sex relationships.
twitter.com/#!/macwalterslives/status/102503866595160066

Yeah... Any predictions who will it won't be? I'm clueless

Can't exactly make a guess until we know who it will be romanceable at all. 

My theory: Thane, Jack, Miranda and Jacob will not be romanceable again. Tali and Garrus will be but only to opposite sex. Kaidan, Ashley, Liara and any new love interests will be available to both. However...I do admit that a potential five romance options for a single player is a bit of a stretch. If I had to guess who they'd cut next it'd be Tali and Garrus. 

So far all we know:
- At least one new love interest to the franchise (Candidates: Vega, Joker, etc.)
- At least one m/m romance
- At least one love interest that wasn't romanced before will be available to romance. This is without a doubt Kaidan/Ashley.  

Maybe someone should ask him how many love interests will a NEW player have to pick from excluding a Genesis 2.0 selection. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 14 août 2011 - 12:54 .

[shepskisaac]

lightsnow13 wrote...

Probably people from ME2 -- Miranda, Jacob, Thane I could see all being off limits...idk about Garrus and Tali; they have such a following. However, I don't think they will be either.

Characters that will only have an option to continue a romance from ME1/2 won't be available for s/s by default. I don't think he was talking about that. I think he meant not all new romances in ME3 (whether with old LIs/NPCs or entirely new characters) will be available for s/s romances. For example, I would guess it will be possible to start a new romance with Tali & Garrus, but only as an opposite-sex Shep. It is also possible there'll be entirely new character X only available for straight romance.

[shepskisaac]

MACharlie1 wrote...

So far all we know:
- At least one new love interest to the franchise (Candidates: Vega, Joker, etc.)

At least 2, Casey used "some new LIs" in plural.

MACharlie1 wrote...
- At least one love interest that wasn't romanced before will be available to romance. This is without a doubt Kaidan/Ashley.

How do we know that?

BTW, not to bring down female s/s fans but, I'm getting worried they may count Liara as an f/f option, since she will almost for sure be available for new romance in ME3 (if you turned her down before)

UGH all these Mac tweets ain't really making me less worried, on the contrary

[MACharlie1]

IsaacShep wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
- At least one love interest that wasn't romanced before will be available to romance. This is without a doubt Kaidan/Ashley.

How do we know that?

BTW, not to bring down female s/s fans but, I'm getting worried they may count Liara as an f/f option, since she will almost for sure be available for new romance in ME3 (if you turned her down before)

UGH all these Mac tweets ain't really making me less worried, on the contrary

MacWalters
@LittleWorldHere #ME3 Good question. The answer: Some, but not all.

To me, it would just make the most sense for it to be Kaidan and Ashley since they haven't been seen since ME1. 

Modifié par MACharlie1, 14 août 2011 - 01:03 .

[bleetman]

Vega, Kaiden, Ashley and Liara seem like the likely ones to me, if they're going to treat any ME2 squad members as cameos simply because they might be dead. I'd like a couple more, but I'd be surprised if it went beyond those four.

And yes, I know, they've always said Liara doesn't count, but I don't imagine that assertion will stick around for long. With m/m being added, it no longer serves its purpose.

[Chun Hei]

S/s fans can rejoice as Liara is FINALLY going to be a female s/s LI. As a result she will now wear high heels and have a camera parked behind her butt in all conversations with Shepard.

[shepskisaac]

MACharlie1 wrote...
MacWalters
@LittleWorldHere #ME3 Good question. The answer: Some, but not all.

To me, it would just make the most sense for it to be Kaidan and Ashley since they haven't been seen since ME1. 

That wasn't the question. The question was about old LIs that were available to Shep, but Shep turned them down back then and will it be possible to have a second chance to romance old LIs (Kaidan for FemShep, Ash for ManShep, Miranda for ManShep etc)

[Vertigo_1]

Chun Hei wrote...

In a way I want to know who will be s/s but at the same time I want to find out in the game itself. I suppose it will make no difference because I do not think supporters can change Bioware's minds now any more than the s/s critics can at this point.

The bolded is actually what Hudson had said himself some time ago:

twitter.com/#!/CaseyDHudson/status/70234438897905664
"Can you at least confirm if some of the previous LI's (Of either gender choice) will now be open to the same-sex option?"


"As w/ the other LI's, specifying who, why, and how spoils the value of the storyline. We want you to discover for yourself."

[bleetman]

Chun Hei wrote...

S/s fans can rejoice as Liara is FINALLY going to be a female s/s LI. As a result she will now wear high heels and have a camera parked behind her butt in all conversations with Shepard.

Doesn't she have a little cape?

[MACharlie1]

IsaacShep wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
MacWalters
@LittleWorldHere #ME3 Good question. The answer: Some, but not all.

To me, it would just make the most sense for it to be Kaidan and Ashley since they haven't been seen since ME1. 

That wasn't the question. The question was about old LIs that were available to Shep, but Shep turned them down back then and will it be possible to have a second chance to romance old LIs (Kaidan for FemShep, Ash for ManShep, Miranda for ManShep etc)

Exactly? Maybe my choice of words for that point were incorrect. 

[Chun Hei]

bleetman wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

S/s fans can rejoice as Liara is FINALLY going to be a female s/s LI. As a result she will now wear high heels and have a camera parked behind her butt in all conversations with Shepard.

Doesn't she have a little cape?

Anime girls have skirts but the camera still shows a lot of butt shots.

[shepskisaac]

Vertigo_1 wrote...
The bolded is actually what Hudson had said himself some time ago:

Well, I sure hope he will change his mind.

MACharlie1 wrote...
Exactly? Maybe my choice of words for that point were incorrect.

Ohh I get it now xD Sorry, getting lost in all of this But it will be at least 2. 'Some' is more than 1

Modifié par IsaacShep, 14 août 2011 - 01:11 .

[ElitePinecone]

IsaacShep wrote...

MACharlie1 wrote...
MacWalters
@LittleWorldHere #ME3 Good question. The answer: Some, but not all.

To me, it would just make the most sense for it to be Kaidan and Ashley since they haven't been seen since ME1. 

That wasn't the question. The question was about old LIs that were available to Shep, but Shep turned them down back then and will it be possible to have a second chance to romance old LIs (Kaidan for FemShep, Ash for ManShep, Miranda for ManShep etc)

Yeah, but you didn't specify that it was a heterosexual re-romance. 

The way Mac could've interpreted it was: 'is it possible to have a romance, of any type, with characters that were LIs in the previous games'. The answer, then is, 'some'. 

Something just occured to me, also: if Walters was referring to o/s romances, it wouldn't make sense to only offer a re-romancing option to some of the characters. How would they decide? I mean, there's nine previous characters and all of them clearly can't be squadmates. 

It's more likely that he was referring to re-romancing the VS, but s/s style. Surely? 

[shepskisaac]

ElitePinecone wrote...

It's more likely that he was referring to re-romancing the VS, but s/s style. Surely?

It could be interpeted this way too, at this point, I'm just getting tired of all of this specilation and analyzing every tweet... Just hoping for at least 2 quality options for boys and girls.

[Quething]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Something just occured to me, also: if Walters was referring to o/s romances, it wouldn't make sense to only offer a re-romancing option to some of the characters. How would they decide? I mean, there's nine previous characters and all of them clearly can't be squadmates. 

It's more likely that he was referring to re-romancing the VS, but s/s style. Surely? 

Not necessarily. How would they decide? Well, simple: who's a permament squaddie, and therefore in the game for long enough to do the arc? Which again, is basically VS. Plus possibly Garrus and Tali.

Though... that said, it'd be very hard to write an o/s VS romance starting in ME3 with any real coherency. Because as far as I can tell from the savegame variables in Gibbed, it doesn't appear there's actually any real way to track whether you shut down Ash/Kai in the very first conversation (and thus, there was never even a hint of romance between Shep and the VS), made it to the fight with Liara and chose her (and thus, Shep has been explicitly rejected by the VS), or made it to the lockers and sent them packing (and thus, the VS has been explicitly rejected by Shep). Those three possibilities make for three very different dynamics if you tried to start the relationship up again. And with no way to track which happened, they can't just write three different conversations, either.

So starting a new o/s relationship with the VS does seem a little unlikely. Of course, the same would be true of any new romance with Liara, regardless of Shep's gender. So, who knows.

[Quething]

 Oh, and hey, speaking of the VS, have we talked about this gem from the Kaidan fanthread yet?

"Toward the end of her day at the studio, Hale came to a scene with a character referred to as A/K. It was the most emotional scene of the day, and also one of the most technically tricky, because of the ways that players' choices in Mass Effect 1 and 2 carry over into the new sequel.

blah blah blah, story of Virmire...

...and, in Mass Effect 2, whichever of the two was saved reappears to remonstrate with him or her. The result of that conversation which can play out in various ways, determines how the character of A/K wll interact with Shepard in Mass Effect 3.The new scene involved a tense exchange between Shepard and A/K. The first line of the scene was simple enough. "Let her/him go." but Hale had to say it multiple times, with different emphases, in order to communicate every possible state of alarm with which Shepard would react to A/K.
...
Two were growly, hateful takes, and two were hard, urgent takes.
...
She was then told that her lines had to be recorded as though she were running. "I have a question," Hale said. "It's pretty emotional for Shepard here. How big do you want it?" Walters explained that he wanted Shepard to seem like more of a "real character" in this game, a character who showed "his frailty."
...
"I want Shepard's vulnerability to come out, even though not every player will choose to experience it."
...
Hale's next line was "No!" Livingstone turned to Walters and asked, "Is this a panicked 'No' or an angry 'No'?"
"It's a" -Walters hesitated- "futile 'No.'"
Hale nodded, "No!", she said, stirringly, a moment later.
"More compassion," Livingstone said. "Less heightened."
Hales tried again, and her "No!" seemed to emerge from some alarmed, half-strangled place in her throat."

As usual, not remotely what you'd call proof of anything whatsoever, but putting "Shepard" and "vulnerability" in the same sentence with reference to danger to either Kaidan or Ashley seems... promising?

Modifié par Quething, 14 août 2011 - 01:45 .

[shepskisaac]

I'm on a such a pessimism mode today I can't see if there's any s/s potential clue hidden there, someone help?

[ElitePinecone]

Quething wrote...
So starting a new o/s relationship with the VS does seem a little unlikely. Of course, the same would be true of any new romance with Liara, regardless of Shep's gender. So, who knows.

It just seems odd to me that they'd explicitly 'create' lines for a re-run o/s LI (from ME) in ME3, given that it's possible to use the Genesis comic (and presumably the ME2 -> ME3 comic) to say that Shepard romanced them initially. 

There is a record of the number of conversations between Shep and the squad in the Gibbed variables (from memory it goes up to four), but to my knowledge this doesn't say anything about romance and doesn't change depending on whether you rejected them. So there's no way of knowing, game-wise, whether Shepard's non-romancing of a character was a rejection or just ignoring them entirely. 

We still need more information, but I'd be surprised if ME/ME2 squadmates were available for a renewed o/s romance. Given the relative ease of importing an ME3 save with any of these romances already, it seems bizarre to offer that choice again in the third game. Reading between the lines of Walters' (and Hudson's) tweets, I'm thinking just the VS will be available for s/s, and the rest of the romances would be with new characters. 

[ElitePinecone]

Quething wrote...
The result of that conversation which can play out in various ways, determines how the character of A/K wll interact with Shepard in Mass Effect 3.

This is *very* promising, given Hudson's tweet that the s/s romances will probably be reactive to player choices. 

Also kinda unfortunate that they're treating Ashley and Kaidan as the same person again...