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[shepskisaac]

BrandNewMan wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

Are most people here in favour of Bioware making everyone s/s romance-able?

One person per gender opening up is acceptable, but everyone simultaneously and suddenly being open to a relationship would just be too hard to accept as genuine progression of the characters.

And just plain impossible to do really, like it was mentioned before, there's been just too many LIs already and some of them most likely won't even have enough time in ME3 to develop any new relationship.

[MACharlie1]

I do support everyone being S/S...if there were some differences in pursuing per gender. Like maybe one male love interest would be easier to pursue as male then as a female and vice-versa. Put everyone on a different place on the sexuality spectrum. Not just this everyone in the extremes.

[Davie McG]

I'd prefer it just had characters that were gay and characters that were straight, and maybe one bi because bi people do exist, or so they claim.

[Darth Krytie]

Davie McG wrote...

I'd prefer it just had characters that were gay and characters that were straight, and maybe one bi because bi people do exist, or so they claim.

I can verify personally that bi people exist. Hope you're trying to be funny...otherwise, comments like those are pretty offensive.

[Erani]

Davie McG wrote...

I'd prefer it just had characters that were gay and characters that were straight, and maybe one bi because bi people do exist, or so they claim.

WOW, insulting much? Let's see...I have mass...occupy volume...have a mind...

Edit: Err, if it's supposed to be a joke I didn't get it...please disregard ^

Modifié par Erani, 15 août 2011 - 02:39 .

[bleetman]

Well to be fair, I've never been in bed with both a man and a woman at the same time, so presumably I'm just alternating between heterosexuality and homosexuality.

Anyhoo, much as I'd like a strictly homosexual LI, it's just one of those that ain't gonna be happenin' for a good long while yet. Too few people who'd pursuit it, or somesuch.

[shepskisaac]

bleetman wrote...

Anyhoo, much as I'd like a strictly homosexual LI, it's just one of those that ain't gonna be happenin' for a good long while yet. Too few people who'd pursuit it, or somesuch.

It's actually a funny argument. BioWare released ME2 player statistics, and it says 65% play Soldier class. Well, that means 5 other classes are played by 7% of player per avarage. And obviously, there are more and less popular classes among these 5 as well. Not hard to imagine Engenieer is played by something like 3-5% of the players. And of course tech classes have always been the least popular in RPGs and everybody knows that. Yet BioWare continues to develop them, even though they know only few percent of the players will use them. So why are they saying they can't do the same for gay romances I wonder?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 15 août 2011 - 02:56 .

[Spatchmo]

Ahhh, yes... "Bisexuals"... We have dismissed that claim.

[Arik7]

Spatchmo wrote...

Ahhh, yes... "Bisexuals"... We have dismissed that claim.

Stop stealing my jokes!

[Spatchmo]

Ferris95 wrote...

Spatchmo wrote...

Ahhh, yes... "Bisexuals"... We have dismissed that claim.

Just so you know, we're all kicking ourself's for not coming up with that sooner. 

Honestly, I am really surprised I was the first one that was in with that.

[lazuli]

IsaacShep wrote...

BrandNewMan wrote...

Davie McG wrote...

Are most people here in favour of Bioware making everyone s/s romance-able?

One person per gender opening up is acceptable, but everyone simultaneously and suddenly being open to a relationship would just be too hard to accept as genuine progression of the characters.

And just plain impossible to do really, like it was mentioned before, there's been just too many LIs already and some of them most likely won't even have enough time in ME3 to develop any new relationship.

I would argue that, for the most part, the other romances in the Mass Effect series have only really had meaningful development in one of the two games.  So there should be time in ME3 for a new relationship to develop. 

[shepskisaac]

lazuli wrote...

I would argue that, for the most part, the other romances in the Mass Effect series have only really had meaningful development in one of the two games.  So there should be time in ME3 for a new relationship to develop. 

Not if the characters appear only as cameo roles. If character X is only available as temprorary squaddie in one mission and few scenes at the end, there's just no time to even talk with that character. All the romances in previous games required at least few conversations throughout the course of the game to develop. If you meet character X only once/twice in the game, there's just no time, that was my point.

[lazuli]

IsaacShep wrote...

lazuli wrote...

I would argue that, for the most part, the other romances in the Mass Effect series have only really had meaningful development in one of the two games.  So there should be time in ME3 for a new relationship to develop. 

Not if the characters appear only as cameo roles. If character X is only available as temprorary squaddie in one mission and few scenes at the end, there's just no time to even talk with that character. All the romances in previous games required at least few conversations throughout the course of the game to develop. If you meet character X only once/twice in the game, there's just no time, that was my point.

Thanks for clarifying.  I'm inclined to agree, though Bioware may surprise us.

[Youknow]

I hope so, because I'm an uber minority here on the romancing for my FemShep. She's an Engineer, and she romanced Jacob. And considering how many people are mean to Jacob, I'd really hate for his romance to be "Hey Sheperd, I'm still alive, just wanted to tell you that. Goodbye."

[Abispa]

Davie McG wrote...

I'd prefer it just had characters that were gay and characters that were straight, and maybe one bi because bi people do exist, or so they claim.

Well Bioware makes a conscious decision for certain characters to be LIs, so the process is artificial and a fan service anyway. I would prefer that all future LIs be few in number and be available to both genders by default. S/s critics often complain about a quota system and this would be a way around it since no one would be denied the LI they want. That need not make a character "bi" necessarily, s/he would just react to the player's character and the dialog would fit the gender but would essentially be the same.

I wouldn't mind if the writers came up with a character who could only be romanced by a certain gender or morality IF the story demands it. For example, in my mind, only "renegades" should have been able to romance Morrigan or Miranda, or the player would be limited if there were a character who honestly practices a certain religion that doesn't tolerate s/s relationship.

Contrary to complaints, DA2 did NOT make everyone "bi." You could only romance half of the characters who were available to both sexes. By limiting the number and opening the availability, Hawke was able to turn down a LI yet still be able to develop a meaningful friendship or rivalry with that person. That, I feel, was much better than the ME "if you won't have sex with me I guess we're done talking and I'll go calibrate or something."

[Abispa]

Ferris95 wrote...

Youknow wrote...

I hope so, because I'm an uber minority here on the romancing for my FemShep. She's an Engineer, and she romanced Jacob. And considering how many people are mean to Jacob, I'd really hate for his romance to be "Hey Sheperd, I'm still alive, just wanted to tell you that. Goodbye."

Jacob was never my favorite character, but I do agree. I'd hate for any character to get the shaft and just send an e-mail.

"Hey Shepard,
It's me Jacob. How are the Reapers? I am worried for you though, try not to get to hurt out there. I mean, fighting the Reapers; heavy risk.
Signed, Jacob
P.S. But the priiiiiiiizzzzzzze."

They wouldn't insult you with an email, they'd respect the romance enough to give you a phone call.

JACOB: Hey, sugar bottom, did I leave my shirt at your place?

SHEPARD: Uh, yeah, you did.

JACOB: Can you send it to me?

SHEPARD: Um, about that... Well, Liara found out I was cheating on her and she used it to wipe her ass. Those Asari stains don't wash out.

[lovgreno]

Spatchmo wrote...

Ahhh, yes... "Bisexuals"... We have dismissed that claim.

Methink the turian councilor doth prothest too much...

[Quething]

Abispa wrote...

For example, in my mind, only "renegades" should have been able to romance Morrigan or Miranda, or the player would be limited if there were a character who honestly practices a certain religion that doesn't tolerate s/s relationship.

Morrigan and Miranda are both in the Bastila mold: "morally dubious, highly independent and emotionally reserved brunettes who can have their worldview softened and their morality nudged toward Light Side by the Right Man." They're written explicitly for Paragons.

Ash is like, a much much milder version of the same. I tend to like her and Morrigan the best of the lot, because you can only change them so much and they both stick to their strongest principles regardless. Much as I love the trope, I love it in moderation; Isabela's actually a little too far over that line for me, which is a big part of why I almost always Friendmance her.

But yes, I think that, say, Samara's (amusingly hypocritical) rejection of a Renegade Shep is a step in the right direction; I have a hard time seeing Kaidan fall for a xenophobe, or Jack for a "p*ssy" who's nice to everyone she meets, and seeing that dynamic used in future BioWare romances would please me. Once we've got that going for every single possible romance, then I might start considering finding "o/s only" romances less arbtirarily restrictive and annoying.

Modifié par Quething, 15 août 2011 - 06:08 .

[silentassassin264]

Samara's rejection of a renegade was horrible writing. Samara was the embodiment of what renegades are supposed to be. Cold, ruthless and focused on the mission but still fundamentally heroic and good. The fact that Samara is a the archetypal renegade and threatens to kill a renegade Shep is stupid beyond all reason.

[ElitePinecone]

silentassassin264 wrote...

Samara's rejection of a renegade was horrible writing. Samara was the embodiment of what renegades are supposed to be. Cold, ruthless and focused on the mission but still fundamentally heroic and good. The fact that Samara is a the archetypal renegade and threatens to kill a renegade Shep is stupid beyond all reason.

Perhaps the difference is that a renegade would sacrifice innocents to achieve an objective, but for Samara the objective is protecting innocents? 

Quething wrote...
 I have a hard time seeing Kaidan fall for a xenophobe, or Jack for a "p*ssy" who's nice to everyone she meets, and seeing that dynamic used in future BioWare romances would please me. Once we've got that going for every single possible romance, then I might start considering finding "o/s only" romances less arbtirarily restrictive and annoying. [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/joyful.png[/smilie]

I like this idea, it goes some way to fulfilling what Hudson was talking about when he said romances would be reactive to player choices. 

[Quething]

ElitePinecone wrote...

silentassassin264 wrote...

Samara's rejection of a renegade was horrible writing. Samara was the embodiment of what renegades are supposed to be. Cold, ruthless and focused on the mission but still fundamentally heroic and good. The fact that Samara is a the archetypal renegade and threatens to kill a renegade Shep is stupid beyond all reason.

Perhaps the difference is that a renegade would sacrifice innocents to achieve an objective, but for Samara the objective is protecting innocents?

So is Renegade!Shep's (at least theoretically). That village full of brainwashed Morinth-worshippers she cut down in cold blood in pursuit of a greater evil were pretty innocent. Renegade!Shep can relate, the same thing happened to her on Feros.

Though while we're on the topic, I've mentioned I hope Samara's not a LI in ME3, right? (Or Aria or Shiala, though I'd like to see both of them back in some capacity also). I like that there's at least one person who will reject Shep, even if it's an ego-stroking "I do want you but" for half of Sheps who try; also, I will be so head-explodingly annoyed if one of our new f/f options in ME3 gets taken up by an asari I cannot even say. Bloody bisexual blue-skinned space babes

Modifié par Quething, 15 août 2011 - 07:59 .