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[Sepewrath]

Krunjar wrote...

Eh why the hell not. It's not as if I am interested but it aint gonna happen unless you make it happen with conversation choices. However one thing i hatted with me is it was impossible to further a platonic relationship with a possible romance partner. They always ended up trying to get in youre paints. And then getting miffed when you turned them down. If this is included i want a branching relationship with a choice at some point to display romantic "interest" after which if not flagged the relationship proceeds without romantic interferance. Since I really dont want to have to be fighting my entire crew off with a taser stick.

Yeah, in DA2 there are some people that threw a fit because Anders made a small hint at a romance with a male Hawke, without the player initiating. I think the ME crowd by take an even greater offense to Vega hittng on their Shep through casual conversation. They need to adopt the DA2 system and have the romances separate, from the rest of the dialogue, its a better dialogue system anyway and it avoids situations like that.

[Rawles]

Sepewrath wrote...

Krunjar wrote...

Eh why the hell not. It's not as if I am interested but it aint gonna happen unless you make it happen with conversation choices. However one thing i hatted with me is it was impossible to further a platonic relationship with a possible romance partner. They always ended up trying to get in youre paints. And then getting miffed when you turned them down. If this is included i want a branching relationship with a choice at some point to display romantic "interest" after which if not flagged the relationship proceeds without romantic interferance. Since I really dont want to have to be fighting my entire crew off with a taser stick.

Yeah, in DA2 there are some people that threw a fit because Anders made a small hint at a romance with a male Hawke, without the player initiating. I think the ME crowd by take an even greater offense to Vega hittng on their Shep through casual conversation. They need to adopt the DA2 system and have the romances separate, from the rest of the dialogue, its a better dialogue system anyway and it avoids situations like that.

Or people could get over it? Someone comes onto you and you're not into it: turn them down. ~Realism~

In all seriousness, I'm all for the DA2 system being adapted to ME3 for the ability to have clearly marked dialogue options and, especially, for the ability to have platonic friendships with your party members that don't completely shut down because you don't want to bang them.

But I have very little sympathy for people who complain about things like the situation with Anders in DA2. You basically had to choose the nicest, sweetest most forgiving dialogue option with Anders every single time even when he was doing completely ridiculous things for him to come onto you. Shock and surprise, when you're really kind to someone, they can sometimes... develop romantic feelings for you! Even if you're not actually attracted to them! Why I've never heard of such a thing in my lifetime as a queer woman.

No... wait...

I think that the options for Shepard's intentions should be marked like in DA2 so that you're not accidentally actively flirting with someone (i.e. most conversation options with Jacob for FemShep in ME2) when you're just trying to be friendly. But I think that how the characters react to you, whether you flirt with them or not, should be based on their personalities. If that includes the odd person here or there being into you if you're really nice to them (or hey, really mean; I don't know what they're into) even if you haven't flirted with them, then so be it.

[Abispa]

@ Rawles -- I TOTALLY agree with you about it being the player's own fault for the infamous Anders "ninjamance," but I feel the scene with Jacob and female Shepard was probably the result of a badly acted scene on Hale's part, or perhaps the scene director was to blame. It would have been FUNNY AS HELL if Meer's acting conveyed the same sense of sexual desperation.

[Rawles]

Yeah, I definitely think much of the Jacob thing was crap direction. I wouldn't call it bad acting since she very convincingly sounded like she wanted to take Jacob for a spin; the question is why would you tell her to give you takes like that or use those takes. But there were also times where I'd pick an innocuous looking option and it was hitting on him when the others weren't.

I'd like to remove all ambiguity about what's a flirt option and what's not. I loved loved loved that in DA2 (also the sarcastic vs diplomatic vs combative etc tones) and think it should just be standard from here on out.

Also, I would have loved it beyond all reason if DudeShep had been purring out all of his lines to Jacob as well.

Modifié par Rawles, 23 août 2011 - 02:56 .

[Time4Tiddy]

Krunjar wrote...

Eh why the hell not. It's not as if I am interested but it aint gonna happen unless you make it happen with conversation choices. However one thing i hatted with me is it was impossible to further a platonic relationship with a possible romance partner. They always ended up trying to get in youre paints. And then getting miffed when you turned them down. If this is included i want a branching relationship with a choice at some point to display romantic "interest" after which if not flagged the relationship proceeds without romantic interferance. Since I really dont want to have to be fighting my entire crew off with a taser stick.

One thing I really liked in DA:O was if you got Morrigan's approval up, as a male PC, and never romanced her, you got a conversation towards the end where she talks about how she never thought a man and woman could be "just friends" until she met you.  It's probably my favorite Morrigan conversation - a really nice touch.  I would like more of this, please.

[Time4Tiddy]

Abispa wrote...

@ Rawles -- I TOTALLY agree with you about it being the player's own fault for the infamous Anders "ninjamance," but I feel the scene with Jacob and female Shepard was probably the result of a badly acted scene on Hale's part, or perhaps the scene director was to blame. It would have been FUNNY AS HELL if Meer's acting conveyed the same sense of sexual desperation.

Actually I think more of the "ninjamancing" is blamed on the fact that Anders tells a male Hawke that Karl was his lover.  You know the gays.  If they mention a previous same sex relationship, in any context, they are rubbing their sexuality in your face and also hitting on you!  They should keep their private business PRIVATE!

[Rawles]

I didn't think that anything could be worse than OH NOEZ A DUDE NPC EXPRESSED MILD ROMANTIC INTEREST IN ME IN A VIDEO GAME NOW I'M GONNA CATCH TEH GHEEEEY DDD:<<< but that is actually worse.

Well done.

[Alexnssilent]

the closet?! THE CLOSET!!!! THE CLOSETTTTT!!!!!!!

[BigFunLove]

It was sad to see Bioware cave under what seemed to be media pressure against s/s relationships in ME1 and then try and PR it as "Shepard is a straight character" - which never made sense since a) this is a role playing game and you could customize everything else about the character including their sex. While I won't be utilizing the s/s option, I am very glad to see the inclusion of same sex romances. To show my support for this kind of forward thinking in gaming, I do the only thing that counts - I don't purchase games that don't allow for me to play as a woman and I've now included not purchasing games that don't include s/s romances when straight romances are an option.

[BigFunLove]

I just read the last few messages and I would just like to add that I enjoy all the characters hitting on me! Why not? Just like in real life I would be flattered if a woman hit on me, but I would politely add "Sorry I'm straight" and just like in real life, I pretty sure that would end the chance for any type of romance. What is with people caring if they are hit on by the same sex - geez get a grip.

[Alexnssilent]

BigFunLove wrote...

I just read the last few messages and I would just like to add that I enjoy all the characters hitting on me! Why not? Just like in real life I would be flattered if a woman hit on me, but I would politely add "Sorry I'm straight" and just like in real life, I pretty sure that would end the chance for any type of romance. What is with people caring if they are hit on by the same sex - geez get a grip.

My class was probably the first class to go all out retarded in this sense, it all seemed very natural for us just because we all knew we were straight "    "..When the talks about gays openly joining the service came around, everyone suddenly stopped fooling around with the ass grabbing and quickly saying good game(also the barbie girl shower songs stopped)...because you no longer knew who was seriously straight or not, we were all put in that spotlight where we felt uncomfortable. some people do not like it, some might like it...so I think that also applies to those straight folk who are over the top about their feelings about all of this, I trust Bioware will find a happy medium, as always.

[Sepewrath]

Well some people simply cant take that, call it insecurity, bigotry, whatever; there are unfortunately people like that. But still the DA2 system is the easiest way to make everyone happy and I'm all for S/S options, though I am still against defined characters doing a 180 or maybe its a 270 lol.

[Alexnssilent]

Sepewrath wrote...

Well some people simply cant take that, call it insecurity, bigotry, whatever; there are unfortunately people like that. But still the DA2 system is the easiest way to make everyone happy and I'm all for S/S options, though I am still against defined characters doing a 180 or maybe its a 270 lol.

I'm pretty sure you will guide it rather than garrus coming up to your maleshep and saying...GIVE IT TO ME DADDY, that'd be overwhelmengly funny tho.

[Spatchmo]

I don't really get the Turian attraction. If having a m/m Garrus relationship would make someone happy though more power to them. But... Don't Turians have acidic blood?

[Deejtage]

Spatchmo wrote...

I don't really get the Turian attraction. If having a m/m Garrus relationship would make someone happy though more power to them. But... Don't Turians have acidic blood?

In all seriousness, I don't get the Garrus relationship either, s/s or otherwise. Personality-wise, it makes sense, but personally, the alien part about the relationship would just be too big of a barrier in my opinion. As far as the acidic blood, I have never heard that before.

Modifié par Deejtage, 23 août 2011 - 05:11 .

[silentassassin264]

I don't see why it would be a big barrier for a Garrus romance. Shepard and Garrus turn from master and protege to two leaders in their own respect finally to a battle couple. If they love each other, I don't see how looking alien would matter. Besides some wo(men) love battle scars.

[Wulfram]

There was one issue with Anders in DA2 - the lack of a polite way to say no.

[ElitePinecone]

Deejtage wrote...
In all seriousness, I don't get the Garrus relationship either, s/s or otherwise. Personality-wise, it makes sense, but personally, the alien part about the relationship would just be too big of a barrier in my opinion. As far as the acidic blood, I have never heard that before.

I feel the same way. 

I'll argue 100% for him as an option - even though I think it's practically impossible, and Bioware almost certainly won't do it - because clearly some people want it. But personally he's alien enough that it would feel very, very strange, and I wouldn't use the option.

Don't forget that Bioware have deliberately given him human mannerisms (a 'bro' personality, apparently) and the voice we're hearing is the translator. 

I can envisage a clucking/hissing/squwaking turian without its armour on that would be, quite frankly, pretty terrifying. 

[Cyberstrike nTo]

Abispa wrote...

@ Rawles -- I TOTALLY agree with you about it being the player's own fault for the infamous Anders "ninjamance," but I feel the scene with Jacob and female Shepard was probably the result of a badly acted scene on Hale's part, or perhaps the scene director was to blame. It would have been FUNNY AS HELL if Meer's acting conveyed the same sense of sexual desperation.

Or just some really bad writing. I think Hale did the best that she could do considering the what she had to work with in terms of writing.

[ScotGaymer]

Wulfram wrote...

There was one issue with Anders in DA2 - the lack of a polite way to say no.

That actually appears to be a bug.

There are two heart options and a broken heart option. But the middle heart option actually appears to be the nice way to say no as it appears to end the romance and not award rivalry points.

[Nynaeve]

My Shepard needs to come AOOOWWT..she thought she was with Liara, but then everyone kept saying Liara wasn't a woman and she was bummed out ( and cried

[LiaraShepard]

Of course, Liara is female. People just forget that she's monogendered and not nongendered. She's not labeled as female because there aren't males, so the word woman isn't necessary. But of course she has a vagina. Otherwise she wouldn't be able to bear children. A penis however isn't important because the insemination is a brain-thing.

[Nynaeve]

Shepard knew this of course, however all the "She be no woman!!" talk got her frustrated...and she felt cheated *sigh*

EDIT: oh and " A penis however isn't important because the insemination is a brain-thing" is hereby the quote of the day 

Modifié par frij, 23 août 2011 - 08:14 .

[Abispa]

Wulfram wrote...

There was one issue with Anders in DA2 - the lack of a polite way to say no.

The only way to activate the "ninjamance" was to be unrealitically nice to him after he just lead you into an ambush where you were forced to kill a dozen Templars inside the Chantry. If Hawke reacted realistically, by being sarcastic or angry, the "ninjamance" never comes up. But if you say, "No problem, buddy, I'm sure the Chantry won't mind all the dead Templars, and, might I say, you are a really sweet abomination!" Anders gets it into his head you're hitting on him.

Of course he gets ticked if you turn him down. He spends the ENTIRE GAME going ballistic over ANYTHING ANYONE says that doesn't totally agree with his viewpoint. In short, he's an ass, but I like the fact that my party can include people I can't stand, like Jack in ME2. I just wish that at least ONE of the LIs wasn't certifiably insane.