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[Rinji the Bearded]

FERMi27 wrote...

I think he should burn in hell. Did he read the Bible anyway? That's a sin and violation of saint laws, as far as I can tell.

To quote Chris Priestly:

Please remember:
All romances in Mass Effect 3 (as with parts 1 and
2) are optional. If you do not enjoy romance options in games, please
stay out of discussions where fans of such romances can discuss them.
Mass Effect 3 also has same sex relationships. If you do not enjoy or
approve of same sex relationships, please stay out of discussion on
these topics. While we respect each person's personal beliefs, we do not
allow insults, ridicule or hatred against people on these forums based
on religion, politics, race, age or sexual preference. People breaking
the Site Rules will be dealt with accordingly.

As such: Reported.

[FERMi27]

Lordy12 wrote...

I'm a man who likes men, if I want to sleep with something pretty and hairless then i would sleep with a women!

Women may as well be hairy like men. Just not in all the places. You get the point.

[FERMi27]

RinjiRenee wrote...

To quote Chris Priestly:

Where'd you find any connection between my post and ME at all? Yes, I admit it's an off-topic post, but it is an response to another off-topic post.

RinjiRenee wrote...

As such: Reported.

Please don't scare me, I might start crying and run away.

[Jademoon121]

Don't respond to the troll. Just report his sorry arse and move on.

[FERMi27]

Lol what? U mad bro?

[ScotGaymer]

Yeah already did jademoon. lol.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 15 juin 2011 - 03:24 .

[78stonewobble]

Stonewobble is disappointed stonewobble...

Noone commented on my idea of a biowares vision/"canon" standard game and then having a nice decent LI/squadmate/major character editor. Not just to edit sexualities but also stuff like looks (small tweaks or clothing only) and different combinations of skills within their different classes. Maybe other things could use this kind of editor too?

Basically bringing in a bit of "gamemaster" to the RPG side.

[Jademoon121]

78stonewobble wrote...

Stonewobble is disappointed stonewobble...

Noone commented on my idea of a biowares vision/"canon" standard game and then having a nice decent LI/squadmate/major character editor. Not just to edit sexualities but also stuff like looks (small tweaks or clothing only) and different combinations of skills within their different classes. Maybe other things could use this kind of editor too?

Basically bringing in a bit of "gamemaster" to the RPG side.

Editors are great for PC's, mods are basically just 2nd party DLC(minus the cash). Thing is though...most of us have a consol..and messing with that promises some big things, most of them not good.

[78stonewobble]

Jademoon121 wrote...

78stonewobble wrote...

Stonewobble is disappointed stonewobble...

Noone commented on my idea of a biowares vision/"canon" standard game and then having a nice decent LI/squadmate/major character editor. Not just to edit sexualities but also stuff like looks (small tweaks or clothing only) and different combinations of skills within their different classes. Maybe other things could use this kind of editor too?

Basically bringing in a bit of "gamemaster" to the RPG side.

Editors are great for PC's, mods are basically just 2nd party DLC(minus the cash). Thing is though...most of us have a consol..and messing with that promises some big things, most of them not good.

Good point... However I imagined it as something that was built right into the game. Definately not something as advanced as a 3d mapeditor or something like that.

[Siansonea]

Yeah, let's keep real-world religion out of this. Even discussing Ashley's religious leanings is kind of odd, because it's not really a point that makes sense as a disqualifier for same-sex relationships. Come on people.

Ashley states that she believes in God, but she never defines what flavor of deity-worship she suscribes to. Shepard can either go "OMG me too!" or "Whatevs". And honestly, I think if Ashley's views on religion are important to her, then Shepard's views should play a bigger role in her attraction to him/her. I honestly think that Ashley is one of the least logical female characters for s/s LI, but it has nothing to do with her religion, her poetry, or any of that. It has to do with her overall forthright personality and the very direct way she pursues ManShep (she ninjamanced my gay Sentinel, durn it all), whereas I felt like with Kaidan it took a lot more work on FemShep's part to get him to come around. The "I'll need some time to process that, but yeah, I'd like that" line springs to mind. Ashley is also one of those gals who seems to have no uncertainty or hesitancy, she's very confident, very forthright, and what you see is what you get.

Miranda, on the other hand, is a mystery wrapped in an enigma, I don't trust her ONE BIT. I don't think she's been honest with Shepard about anything from the get-go, except for the situation with Oriana. Miranda could be concealing a lot about herself, in fact I guarantee you that she most definitely is. Could one of those things be an openness to same-sex relationships? Possibly, very possibly. But more than likely that's not going to be the biggest bombshell Miranda drops in Shepard's lap in ME3, mark my words.

[shepskisaac]

Dayshadow wrote...
 Not because it makes sense and everyone could see it coming.

If someone couldn't see it coming after Kaidan's "Losing you was like losing a limb! Why didn't you call me?!" on Horizon then well...

[Jademoon121]

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, let's keep real-world religion out of this. Even discussing Ashley's religious leanings is kind of odd, because it's not really a point that makes sense as a disqualifier for same-sex relationships. Come on people.

Ashley states that she believes in God, but she never defines what flavor of deity-worship she suscribes to. Shepard can either go "OMG me too!" or "Whatevs". And honestly, I think if Ashley's views on religion are important to her, then Shepard's views should play a bigger role in her attraction to him/her. I honestly think that Ashley is one of the least logical female characters for s/s LI, but it has nothing to do with her religion, her poetry, or any of that. It has to do with her overall forthright personality and the very direct way she pursues ManShep (she ninjamanced my gay Sentinel, durn it all), whereas I felt like with Kaidan it took a lot more work on FemShep's part to get him to come around. The "I'll need some time to process that, but yeah, I'd like that" line springs to mind. Ashley is also one of those gals who seems to have no uncertainty or hesitancy, she's very confident, very forthright, and what you see is what you get.

Miranda, on the other hand, is a mystery wrapped in an enigma, I don't trust her ONE BIT. I don't think she's been honest with Shepard about anything from the get-go, except for the situation with Oriana. Miranda could be concealing a lot about herself, in fact I guarantee you that she most definitely is. Could one of those things be an openness to same-sex relationships? Possibly, very possibly. But more than likely that's not going to be the biggest bombshell Miranda drops in Shepard's lap in ME3, mark my words.

Its 21-something and humans see ET's from other planets daily, often sharing ideas like Asari philosophy. Who know's how human religions adapted after all that? I agree, religion is a moot point.

[ladyofpayne]

Who, who for my MShep? Kaidan?

[Siansonea]

I wouldn't mind if Kaidan was able to shoot down ManShep's interest, or have a Garrus-style "never occurred to me, let me think about it" moment. I DO want Shepard to at least broach the subject with Kaidan, because I know my gay Sentinel had a crush on him during that playthrough. And it would be nice to acknowledge that even if Kaidan says "how about no". Then their bromance can continue as before, I can't imagine Kaidan letting something like another dude having an unrequited crush on him getting under his skin. He'd shrug it off, and probably just feel bad for Shepard and maybe try to help him find a man who could return Shepard's affections. That is if BioWare decides to solidify Kaidan as a heterosexual-only character. I honestly don't care which way they go, as long as there's something there for all the Shepards who have pined for Kaidan in the first two games. Same goes for Ashley, frankly. Naturally, a rejection conversation for every ME2 LI is probably not practical or feasible, but maybe a one-line dismissal from the human LIs at least would be a nice little bonus. Basically I just want good story, not a romantic smorgasbord for Shepard. I don't mind limited LI options, but I want Shepard to be able to express a lot more, to define the character more.

[PMC65]

Siansonea II wrote...

Yeah, let's keep real-world religion out of this. Even discussing Ashley's religious leanings is kind of odd, because it's not really a point that makes sense as a disqualifier for same-sex relationships. Come on people.

Ashley states that she believes in God, but she never defines what flavor of deity-worship she suscribes to. Shepard can either go "OMG me too!" or "Whatevs". And honestly, I think if Ashley's views on religion are important to her, then Shepard's views should play a bigger role in her attraction to him/her. I honestly think that Ashley is one of the least logical female characters for s/s LI, but it has nothing to do with her religion, her poetry, or any of that. It has to do with her overall forthright personality and the very direct way she pursues ManShep (she ninjamanced my gay Sentinel, durn it all), whereas I felt like with Kaidan it took a lot more work on FemShep's part to get him to come around. The "I'll need some time to process that, but yeah, I'd like that" line springs to mind. Ashley is also one of those gals who seems to have no uncertainty or hesitancy, she's very confident, very forthright, and what you see is what you get.

Miranda, on the other hand, is a mystery wrapped in an enigma, I don't trust her ONE BIT. I don't think she's been honest with Shepard about anything from the get-go, except for the situation with Oriana. Miranda could be concealing a lot about herself, in fact I guarantee you that she most definitely is. Could one of those things be an openness to same-sex relationships? Possibly, very possibly. But more than likely that's not going to be the biggest bombshell Miranda drops in Shepard's lap in ME3, mark my words.

Different situations make us respond different, hence the line "That was out of character for him/her". I am normally the type that approaches without fear of rejection, just let the dice fall where they may. But there was a girl that made me "stupid" and "clumsy". Ash with maleshep may go forth and conquer, but make Shepard a female and that added twist may make Ashley question how she feels, question if Shepard would be disgusted, and just plain question. That hesitation can create a stopgap.
 
I personally want Ash to be a s/s because I am playing Mass Effect as one big story and it allows the love story to be from start to finish. If handled right, the declaration of feelings could be really sweet, awkward, funny, passionate.

I want all the love stories (straight or gay) to be thoughtful and compassionate to the characters and game player. Too bad you couldn't pick a renegade (naughty) or paragon (romantic) encounter (example: Renegade - Miranda in the engine room / Paragon - Miranda in her room).  

[Akaranz]

[inappropriate post removed]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 juin 2011 - 04:52 .

[PlumPaul93]

Friendship paths certainly should be possible.

oops wrong thread sorry

Modifié par PlumPaul82393, 15 juin 2011 - 03:59 .

[stysiaq]

I have nothing against SS romance, but as I recall it, some time in the past, some dev was explaining, why there were no ss romances in ME 1 & 2, whereas in DA:O there were bisexual characters. The answer was, that ME universe differs from DA one, the protagonist is more established in some kind of 'canon' - meaning, that Shepard was intended to be straight. That was enough an explanation for me.

I don't want to offend anybody, but there were no ss romances in ME 1 and 2. Wouldn't it feel forced, if suddenly Shepard turned out gay in trilogys conclusion?

Don't get me wrong - it would be completely ok, if there were gay/bi characters and romances in the first 2 games (I honestly support the idea of a fully gay/lesbian squadmates; turning everybody bi is just a sign of not having enough balls imho). If, however, an option to have ss romance is going to be availble just for ME3 - well, for me it's not much more than a scream for attention.

I've seen someone with a tagline "Still waiting for his pronce to come", who supports ss romance. Well, I approve this approach - if someone feels, that his/her Shep should be (in fact, is) gay (understandable, since the customisation/dialog choices make each playthrough really personal experience) then he should be able to romance ss squadmate in ME3. But the fact that in previous games you could romance just one sex (excluding blue hemaphrodite), makes it possible to create ridiculous Shepards, who romance ne character in ME1, another (of the same sex) in ME2 just to turn out to be gay in ME3.

And that is my main plea against ss romances in ME3. For me, Shepard is a very confident, self-assured character with a strong will - a man/woman who knows what she/he is, what she/he wants. Making ss romances availble in ME2 would allow you to create some I'm-not-sure-who-I-am, confused/hiding in the closet Shepard, whose previous partners were just gay beards.

I was thinking, that maybe a good way to let Shep be gay, is that ss romances would be availble if and only if you didn't romance anyone in previous games. That eliminates my 'main plea' but leaves us with the sad fact, that this would still be just a substitute of a true ss relationship. I think, that ss romance, that lasts for just one game is still just a gimmick, and it's not as involving as we would like.

In fact, it would be still ok, if ss relationships were availble in ME2. Now it's just too late to make it truly work. In ME2, Tali and Garrus were made possible LIs - I treat it as a nod to the fans, which felt that great connection to the characters. ME2 was a good time to fix al the shortcomings - it was a good time to make fan favorites LIs. It was also a good time to introduce ss relationships, introduce gay/bi characters - unfortunately, in this matter time was wasted.

I can't get rid of the feeling, that ss romances in ME3 would be against the initial plan and design of ME universe - something that no one really took into consideration during ME1 & ME2 developement, quickly added to please fans. But forced solutions won't do any good - they are at most unnoticeable, at worst disappointing and out of place.

Sadly, at the moment there's just one serious relationship availble in the whole game for both genders, and that is Liara, who I don't particularly like. So I guess all my discontence works just as well for the straight romances, if non-Liara options won't be given enough, well, love.

Akaranz wrote...

you people disgust me... gay love is disgusting and if you people support this idea you should see a psychiatrist

didn't want to enter pointless internet quarrels, but I think that anyone who thinks that one love is inferior to another is the one who should try to be more open-minded, or, if the tries are fruitless, see a psychiatrist.

Modifié par stysiaq, 15 juin 2011 - 04:03 .

[Warheadz]

Dear fellow forumites, and moderators. Please forgive me for the lack of respect that my following post may have.

Okay... Why does the topic of homosexuality always instantly draw all idiots, fanatics and lunatics from both sides of the argument? This. Isn't. Such. A. Big. [Flipping]. Issue. The romances are optional, it's nothing away from you. If you are worried that Bioware won't cater at all to the heterosexual male, then please, think again. If you are worried that homosexuality will ruin the game, then I don't think Bioware's RPG's are for you.... And I also expect that most of us here are aware that Bioware can write good characters. Sexuality won't ruin them, or if it will, the writing would have been [bad] to begin with.

And dont'cha start shoving your god or ethics at me. You can live by them if you wish, but you don't have to take things away from others because they might not follow the same rules as you.

And if you are worried that you are ninjamanced and raped by a same-sex character, then look on the bright side: You get to [complain] about it on these forums if it happens.

Seriously people! Cmon. Have some class.

[Umbrella].

[No swearing, please.]

Modifié par Stanley Woo, 15 juin 2011 - 04:53 .

[Vertigo_1]

Siansonea II wrote...
Miranda, on the other hand, is a mystery wrapped in an enigma, I don't trust her ONE BIT. I don't think she's been honest with Shepard about anything from the get-go, except for the situation with Oriana. Miranda could be concealing a lot about herself, in fact I guarantee you that she most definitely is. Could one of those things be an openness to same-sex relationships? Possibly, very possibly. But more than likely that's not going to be the biggest bombshell Miranda drops in Shepard's lap in ME3, mark my words.

I agree on this but I also think there wasn't time to really flesh out the characters of ME2 simply because there were so many on the team this time (Garrus = "Calibrations" anyone?)

[Siansonea]

@Akaranz: Reported. Go away.

[Siansonea]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

Friendship paths certainly should be possible.

oops wrong thread sorry

Actually, a lot of people, myself included, are very much in favor of well-developed friendship paths. They don't need to even differ from the romance paths that much, after all, other than a few flirtatious lines and physical intimacy, a deep friendship has a lot of the same elements as a well-written romance.

[PMC65]

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...
Miranda, on the other hand, is a mystery wrapped in an enigma, I don't trust her ONE BIT. I don't think she's been honest with Shepard about anything from the get-go, except for the situation with Oriana. Miranda could be concealing a lot about herself, in fact I guarantee you that she most definitely is. Could one of those things be an openness to same-sex relationships? Possibly, very possibly. But more than likely that's not going to be the biggest bombshell Miranda drops in Shepard's lap in ME3, mark my words.

I agree on this but I also think there wasn't time to really flesh out the characters of ME2 simply because there were so many on the team this time (Garrus = "Calibrations" anyone?)

Maybe that is why BW won't comment on Miranda ... It would reveal part of the "bombshell"? I do think she keeps her cards very close to her chest but I also feel that way about Liara. It doesn't mean that they are evil (to me), it makes them smart. I just hope that BW puts as much investment (writing, character dev, etc) as we the players do.

[Vertigo_1]

^^There is also the comment made by Samara when you ask her about Miranda

Modifié par Vertigo_1, 15 juin 2011 - 04:07 .

[ladyofpayne]

I hope to see blue dark chokolate with Jackob.