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[Espurr]

Rekkampum wrote...

Zakatak757 wrote...



1. Garrus should be LI
2. Femshep and Liara aren't lesbian, only 1 gender for Asari
3. I'm not homophobic, but I hate all queers and I hope they rot
4. Nobody has posted a decent post yet
5. Bioware should stop pandering to the whiny minority crowd.
6. It's not real so why do you care so much?
7. ZOMG retcon their gonna turn everyone bi and ruin my playthrough

Fixed.

Excellent! My plan to be drunk before sundown is off to a fantastic start.

[Siansonea]

I don't like where this is going. Let's not post homophobic stuff, even in jest, K?

[JeffZero]

Dhiro wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Personally, I eagerly await it. I shall feast on their rage, and it shall be most delicious...

S/S crowd: we drink rage at the same rate Gaider drink tears.

Myself, I'll just enjoy the game and turn my IDGAF button on.

Damn straight.

[JeffZero]

Nashiktal wrote...

I'm a straight person and would be offended by a gay toggle. Might as well ask for a gender toggle (no females in game!) or a skin color toggle. Offended by those yellow skin guys? Toggle it out!

Yeah no thank you.

As a fellow straight person who would be equally offended, may I just say that this post makes me quite happy. :happy:

[FoxHound109]

YAY for open minded straight gamers!

[JeffZero]

I wish our world had more of them. More open-mindedness from all orientations!

[wolf99000]

JeffZero wrote...

I wish our world had more of them. More open-mindedness from all orientations!

great post just the problem is are world is going the other way and we are getting more and more closed minded people

[Cathey]

So I finally got around to reading that comic and I definitely want Vega for s/s. I will create a male shep just for him. It needs to happen.

If Vega isn't s/s then that particular male Shep will just give up and let the reapers win

Modifié par Cathey, 20 septembre 2011 - 12:02 .

[FoxHound109]

Cathey wrote...

So I finally got around to reading that comic and I definitely want Vega for s/s. I will create a male shep just for him. It needs to happen.

If Vega isn't s/s then that particular male Shep will just give up and let the reapers win

Exactly!

[Blacklash93]

Have you guys heard of a game called Dragon's Dogma? It's a AAA-budget game coming from Capcom that they've announced S/S romances for.

S/S romances? In a non-niche japanese game? Never thought I'd see the day.

[Ryzaki]

Quething wrote...

It's a shame, really. Anders was done nearly perfectly. He's an obsessive mentally unstable emotionally desperate basketcase, who latches on to you in a moment of turmoil. You act unreasonably nice to him and he dares a bit of a flirt. It's 100% in character and pretty awesome. Then you get the option to shut him down. If you do, he gets understandably pouty about it -- again, moment of turmoil, plus you're being inconsistent and giving him whiplash and nobody likes that -- but help some mages where he can see and he gets over it. Either way he never tries his luck with you again.

The only thing that dialog needed was a way to gracefully and politely turn Anders down instead of being kind of a jerk about it. The only thing. It did not need to not exist. It needed very much to exist and I would like to see more conversations like it in the future.

Additionally, I cannot help but notice that no one complains that after killing Hayder, Isabela a) will always straight up proposition you, no matter what you say or do leading up to it, offers no dialog wheel with which to shut her down or tell her off, and in fact c) has a built-in animation that forces Hawke to look interested. Isabela will always flirt and Hawke will always smirk.

So it's okay to scream bloody blue murder when a boy flirts with you once and you have every option to turn it down or avoid it completely. But Isabela's unavoidable overtures/Shiala's handsy pawing/Liara's viciously relentless fixation on a woman she's barely met, that's totally great. The hypocrisy is blinding, and I hate that people at BioWare have talked like they're thinking about bowing to it.

I have complained about Isabela. Constantly. 

I'm at the point where I don't recruit her partly because of that stupid smirk on Hawke's face. So not interested. Not at all. I don't like having emotions forced on my PC and really I would love if I could've had Hawke say "No way in hell." 

Frankly I wish they would fix that on both sides. I don't play a game to feel harassed.Either make it so all the character's don't hit on me first or make it so I can go "HELL NO!" to all of them.  

Modifié par Ryzaki, 20 septembre 2011 - 12:29 .

[Blacklash93]

Ryzaki wrote...

I have complained about Isabela. Constantly. 

I'm at the point where I don't recruit her partly because of that stupid smirk on Hawke's face. So not interested. Not at all. 

It's at that part when I get my finger ready to push *Esc*. It's no different with FemHawke either.

Not  to mention some of the sarcastic lines with Isabela. Some of those are just plain flirting. Pretty much all sarcastic lines that deal with sexuality basically trick you into displaying heterosexual interest. It's not a big deal, but it does break the immersion factor a bit for me.

Ehh... maybe I'm just reading into it too much and it's just playful flirting and witty comments for the sake of them.

Modifié par Blacklash93, 20 septembre 2011 - 12:32 .

[FoxHound109]

I don't really see it that way. I see Hawke's smirk as: "Ha, ha! This is cute, but I don't like va-jay-jay!"

XD

[Quething]

Blacklash93 wrote...

Not  to mention some of the sarcastic lines with Isabela. Some of those are just plain flirting. Pretty much all sarcastic lines that deal with sexuality basically trick you into displaying heterosexual interest. It's not a big deal, but it does break the immersion factor a bit for me.

Ehh... maybe I'm just reading into it too much and it's just playful flirting and witty comments for the sake of them.

Yeah, that's just Snarky!Hawke being snarky. Main!Hawke is very committed to Isabela from pretty much the end of Act I, and wouldn't sleep with a guy for love or money regardless, but that doesn't stop her from flirting relentlessly with Fenris, Varric, Aveline and Sebastian at nearly every opportunity, and that always seemed entirely in-character to me. It's fun, they seem to expect it from her, and roughly 10% of what Snarky!Hawke says sounds like it's meant to be taken remotely seriously, flirts included.

It does help, I find, to remember that Hawke's not your character. Something about the tone system, or the profoundly railroaded plot, or something, I'm not sure what it is exactly, but Hawke breaks down into three very distinct personalities in a way that Shepard doesn't into two. Snarky Hawke *is* an irrepressable flirt; Diplomatic Hawke *does* believe in the Maker; Aggressive Hawke *doesn't* respect the Amell family history. You can get around it to some degree by varying your tone choices, but they did write three coherent characters and you deviate from them at the cost of a consistent roleplay. It's not like Paragon/Renegade where holding the same line actually makes your characterization less consistent.

Not to say that smirking at Isabela/Shiala/whoever is ever excusable, though. Even from the perspective of someone who likes that character; why do I have to just smirk at Isabela every time, why can't I flirt back? The same wheel that let me do so would let Ryzaki shut her down. Better experience for everybody.

Again, though, I want a wheel, I want to be able to choose a response. I don't want the character not to flirt in the first place. Not if it's in-character for them to do so.

Modifié par Quething, 20 septembre 2011 - 01:28 .

[endermaryn]

I wish Casey would read this page.

I liked Anders. And I agree that his reactions were perfectly human. And if I was to ever not hand Isabela over to the Arishok, my male Hawke would be seriously miffed at having to flirt/smirk with/at her. It would feel like cheating on Anders in way.

In ME2, my male Shepard showed attraction to Shiala when she stroked his arm and I was glaring daggers at him for getting distracted and forgetting about Kaidan.

I'm not saying that my male characters aren't allowed to look at other people. But Isabella and Shiala were the completely wrong gender. And as stated by others, it broke the feel of the game when my character was made to do something completely out his character.

I really hope BW doesn't bend to the pressure. Some players don't want realism. But I do and I hope BW doesn't take that away.

[ElitePinecone]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, so to speak, but serious question:

Is Garrus the only 'male' character that certain people relate to in the Mass Effect series, other than Shepard (because they're invariably playing a male Shepard)?

I'm struggling to understand why he comes up again and again and again, in the persistent fears of people about s/s romances. It's not as though all these people are communicating with each other, or sharing their deepest fears about Garrus hitting on maleShep. It seems to be instinctive.

Is it because there just aren't any other characters that adolescent males relate to? Why the Garrus paranoia?

[Dhiro]

For some reason I can't understand, Garrus is a "bro". I'm not sure why, but people think he'll be less of a "bro" if he's bisexual.

For some reason.

[Athayniel]

I've said it before, Garrus isn't my bro. I actually prefer some combination of Miranda, Samara or Jack in my group. I just love all the biotics flying around which is in complete contrast to my character being either an Infiltrator, Soldier or charge and gun oriented Vanguard – yes I forget I have pull and shockwave... all the time. I've taken Garrus on missions before and known that his spot could be filled by just about anyone else. Maybe I'm missing a wealth of incidental dialogue with him because of it, but I like the stuff Miranda and Samara talk about anyway. ME2 isn't like ME1 where you needed a techie in your squad to do the hacking and bypassing.

I think it is mostly to do with the need of some players to create a squad of 'bros' to go through the game with to replicate their experience in other shooters. I personally don't need the constant reaffirmation of my testosterone levels so I'm perfectly happy taking the ladies in my squads. And frankly why wouldn't you take Samara as often as you could, she is gorgeous and serene and as good with an assault rifle as she is with her biotics. I do hope they follow through on their promise to add party banter in ME3. ME2 is a very quiet game. Having Miranda and Jack in the same group should be constantly on the edge of turning into a catfight. Tali and Garrus should get more than just that one dialogue about the elevators. Just imagine if Zaeed was passing by that adventure travel store on the Citadel and just started spouting off about the time he'd visited all those planets on the tour, or heaven forfend, the salesman had the same model of rifle as Jessie mounted on the wall.

Garrus isn't my bro. Miranda and Samara are way more fun to hang around with.

[ElitePinecone]

Athayniel wrote...

I think it is mostly to do with the need of some players to create a squad of 'bros' to go through the game with to replicate their experience in other shooters. 

This is similar to what I was thinking. 

It just seems incredibly strange that a few dozen people (by my count) have independently posted fears about Garrus - and only him, rather than any other character - being an s/s romance option, despite all evidence to the contrary. He's the first character that comes to mind for so, so many people. 

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

If formerly straight characters end up gay in ME3 I will be so pissed!

[Quething]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

If formerly straight characters end up gay in ME3 I will be so pissed!

Well, lucky for you there aren't any straight characters in the MEverse yet!

(Possibly excepting people's individual Shepards, of course. But then, they get to remain straight in ME3 if you so choose, so there you go.

I need to get Varric to make me a big sign that says "Schrodinger's Sexuality." I think y'all can guess what I'd do with it.)

[Dhiro]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

If formerly straight characters end up gay in ME3 I will be so pissed!

That's very sad.

[Ravensword]

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

If formerly straight characters end up gay in ME3 I will be so pissed!

Will being so pissed prevent you from purchasing ME3?

[vvDRUCILLAvv]

Quething wrote...

vvDRUCILLAvv wrote...

If formerly straight characters end up gay in ME3 I will be so pissed!

Well, lucky for you there aren't any straight characters in the MEverse yet!

(Possibly excepting people's individual Shepards, of course. But then, they get to remain straight in ME3 if you so choose, so there you go.

I need to get Varric to make me a big sign that says "Schrodinger's Sexuality." I think y'all can guess what I'd do with it.)

Lucky for me there aren't any straight characters? What makes you think that they are all bi or gay?