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[ladyofpayne]

elearon1 wrote...

Augoeides wrote...

So Pinecone, since I'm uber forgetful, care to remind me, who do you think your MShep character, if you play as one or many, is most compatible with in the ME universe?

Not directed at me, but as a male the only male character I have found myself attracted to in a potential homosexual run is Thane.  He has a certain class and style to him that really appeals to me as a person and feels like he would make a strong male partner. (I like Joker, but he feels like he'd be a weak partner and that is not something I, myself, find attractive in the idea of a male lover.  By contrast, when speaking of female lovers I am all over the spectrum and smaller details of personality make or break a love interest.)

I don't think so. Garrus more strenght person. And Vega is so BADASS BOY.

[ladyofpayne]

Damn't I can't wait when they tell who is GAY, sorry BI.
My suspition: Kaidan the first victim- he always was like gay for me. 
Second- Thain. He is killler and like Zevran he need to get close with his victims. By any means necessary.
Third- Vega. But I don't think so. <_<

Modifié par ladyofpayne, 24 septembre 2011 - 10:49 .

[ladyofpayne]

Jackob looks like BI boy too.

[wolf99000]

Carfax wrote...

Spatchmo wrote...

 and religion is the main reason why homosexuality is so controversial.

No it's not.  Homosexuality has always been controversial in human history, long before the advent of Christianity and Islam.

Thats all I'll say on that, as PineCone is right.  This thread is going horribly off topic..

I just want to go back to this as someone who is doing a bachelor's degree in history maybe I can add something you should not post this without facts homosexuality was wide spread in greece and rome and the rest of the anicent world what stopped it and made it a sin  was the church when rome took on christianity as its officail religon and got rid of there pagan gods

plus in game I find it amazing that you guys are ok with sex with aliens but sex between to men or woman is not right and should not be in the game

Modifié par wolf99000, 24 septembre 2011 - 12:11 .

[ScotGaymer]

@LadyofPayne

So basically you are saying you think/want all of the LIs to be bisexual then?

I do agree tho that Kaidan seemed like he was into blokes more than girls; the way he talks, what he says, and the way he totally flirts with ManShep.
The rest of them not so much.

@wolf99000

I agree with you.

There are all sorts of historical accounts of homosexual relationships in the ancient world, the most notable is the relationship between Alexander and Hephaistion and it didnt so much as cause a raised eyebrow amongst scholars of the day who were recording these things.
The fact that they survived the middle ages zeal of a mysoginist and homophobic church at all is nothing short of astounding.

Modern Organisied Monotheistic Religion isnt the only reason for the widespread homophobia and mysoginism of the world today (the former more than the latter) but its definately a big contributor to it.

[Tootles FTW]

@wolf990000 - I've never commented in this thread before but I have to interject. Though it's true that homosexual relations were accepted in antiquity, it was hardly in the fashion that is often thought. Male homosexual or pederastic relations were condoned as long as there was no penetration (if both males were of the same social class) or if the submissive/eromenos partner was a slave or prostitute. "Intercrural sex", or...ahem..."between the thighs" was the only accepted sexual practice between two men of equal classes. Otherwise the penetrator was seen as demasculinizing the penetratee. Woo, rant! Seriously, though, it's much sexier to think of Greek culture as ****-slapping gay priders, but alas - even their liberal views had their limit.

[wolf99000]

Tootles FTW wrote...

@wolf990000 - I've never commented in this thread before but I have to interject. Though it's true that homosexual relations were accepted in antiquity, it was hardly in the fashion that is often thought. Male homosexual or pederastic relations were condoned as long as there was no penetration (if both males were of the same social class) or if the submissive/eromenos partner was a slave or prostitute. "Intercrural sex", or...ahem..."between the thighs" was the only accepted sexual practice between two men of equal classes. Otherwise the penetrator was seen as demasculinizing the penetratee. Woo, rant! Seriously, though, it's much sexier to think of Greek culture as ****-slapping gay priders, but alas - even their liberal views had their limit.

but my point is it was not this big controversial thing the post I was answering said

the fact is the ancient Greeks did not conceive of sexual orientation as a social identifier as we do today as you say it was more about the role each partner played when we get to rome there is even cases of roman emperors who had homosexual relations commodus being one and Eladabalus who even married a man in a public wedding

[Abispa]

I think that there is once again the assumption being made that only gay and bi players want s/s romance options in the game. Not true. I know for a fact that there are quite a few straight male players who play gay females, and many of the straight female players I know have no problem playing any gender of any sexuality.

Yes, I know a lot of those males are guys who thing lesbians are HAWT, but I myself have had lesbian characters for Leliana and Liara because I actually found the s/s romances there to be more believable. So long as those male players don't advocate lestians, yeah!, and gay guys, no!, I have no problem with it. I have no scientific bases, but rather my own observations, that female players seem to really enjoy a game with lots of different romantic options that they can explore in multiple play-throughs.

[shepskisaac]

Carfax wrote...

Spatchmo wrote...

 and religion is the main reason why homosexuality is so controversial.

No it's not.  Homosexuality has always been controversial in human history, long before the advent of Christianity and Islam.

Yes it is. Abrahamic religions in particular. Try to tell "homosexuality was an issue/controversial" to ancient China, Greece/Rome, native Americans. While of course there were ancient non-Abrahamic tribes/states that didn't approve of homosexuality, there were also tons that didn't have any problems with it just like I quoted. It didn't start with the global domination of Abrahamic religions that homophobia became so widespread.

[Xilizhra]

IsaacShep wrote...

Carfax wrote...

Spatchmo wrote...

 and religion is the main reason why homosexuality is so controversial.

No it's not.  Homosexuality has always been controversial in human history, long before the advent of Christianity and Islam.

Yes it is. Abrahamic religions in particular. Try to tell "homosexuality was an issue/controversial" to ancient China, Greece/Rome, native Americans. While of course there were ancient non-Abrahamic tribes/states that didn't approve of homosexuality, there were also tons that didn't have any problems with it just like I quoted. It didn't start with the global domination of Abrahamic religions that homophobia became so widespread.

I think any tolerance of homosexuality in many of those areas was... selective. I'm fairly sure that Greece didn't like lesbianism at all.

[ElitePinecone]

Getting off topic again. >_<

[Carfax]

FitScotGaymer wrote...

There are all sorts of historical accounts of homosexual relationships in the ancient world, the most notable is the relationship between Alexander and Hephaistion and it didnt so much as cause a raised eyebrow amongst scholars of the day who were recording these things.

You and I have already gone around the ring on this one before.  Perhaps the reason why it didn't raise an eyebrow is because their relationship wasn't viewed as being necessarily homoerotic; at least in the modern sense.

It was common for men to be much more emotional and intimate with each other in those times than today.  And despite what you may think, Alexander could never have been gay.  No bonifide gay man would have multiple wives, concubines and mistresses.

It's possible he could have been bisexual, but gay?  I don't think so.

Modifié par Carfax, 24 septembre 2011 - 03:39 .

[Carfax]

Tootles FTW wrote...

@wolf990000 - I've never commented in this thread before but I have to interject. Though it's true that homosexual relations were accepted in antiquity, it was hardly in the fashion that is often thought. Male homosexual or pederastic relations were condoned as long as there was no penetration (if both males were of the same social class) or if the submissive/eromenos partner was a slave or prostitute. "Intercrural sex", or...ahem..."between the thighs" was the only accepted sexual practice between two men of equal classes. Otherwise the penetrator was seen as demasculinizing the penetratee. Woo, rant! Seriously, though, it's much sexier to think of Greek culture as ****-slapping gay priders, but alas - even their liberal views had their limit.

Thank you for posting this.  I've always said that homosexuality in the Ancient World wasn't embraced as fervently as most people seem to believe. 

As you yourself note, there were a lot of limitations placed on such relationships, and sexual relationships between two adult men were generally frowned upon.

[Carfax]

IsaacShep wrote...

Yes it is. Abrahamic religions in particular. Try to tell "homosexuality was an issue/controversial" to ancient China, Greece/Rome, native Americans. While of course there were ancient non-Abrahamic tribes/states that didn't approve of homosexuality, there were also tons that didn't have any problems with it just like I quoted. It didn't start with the global domination of Abrahamic religions that homophobia became so widespread.

Define "didn't have any problems with it."  Lots of cultures didn't view homosexuality as sinful or immoral, but the point I was trying to make was, that homosexuality has always had stipulations and limitations associated with it; even in tolerant cultures.

In other words, it has never been viewed as simply the mirror opposite of heterosexuality, and sexual relationships between two adult men were generally frowned upon as being anything from inappropriate, to being illegal and a punishable crime.

[Xilizhra]

In other words, it has never been viewed as simply the mirror opposite of heterosexuality

Ah, good, we can be trendsetters.

[lazuli]

ladyofpayne wrote...

Second- Thain. He is killler and like Zevran he need to get close with his victims. By any means necessary.

This is absurd.  Seduction is not in Thane's repertoire.

[Carfax]

Xilizhra wrote...

I think any tolerance of homosexuality in many of those areas was... selective. I'm fairly sure that Greece didn't like lesbianism at all.

Lesbianism receives very little commentary  in comparison to male homosexuality from the Ancient scholars and commentators.  I remember reading that some of them didn't even believe it existed..

The rate of homosexuality in men according to statistics, is typically at least two or three times greater than the rate for women.  This combined with the lesser status of women in those cultures, probably explains why it received so little commentary.

[Xilizhra]

The rate of homosexuality in men according to statistics, is typically at least two or three times greater than the rate for women. This combined with the lesser status of women in those cultures, probably explains why it received so little commentary.

I suspect this is skewed unless it also takes into account a noticeably greater percentage of bisexual women.

[lazuli]

Ferris95 wrote...

lazuli wrote...

ladyofpayne wrote...

Second- Thain. He is killler and like Zevran he need to get close with his victims. By any means necessary.

This is absurd.  Seduction is not in Thane's repertoire.

"Human- Rear approach..."
"Asari- Front approach..."
Krogan- Top approach..."

If those approaches qualify as seduction for you, I don't see how you can get intimate more than once in your life.  What are you, a preying mantis?

[lazuli]

Ferris95 wrote...
That was a joke .

Also, yes I am.

Oh.  Awkward...

[jlb524]

Carfax wrote...

Thank you for posting this.  I've always said that homosexuality in the Ancient World wasn't embraced as fervently as most people seem to believe. 

As you yourself note, there were a lot of limitations placed on such relationships, and sexual relationships between two adult men were generally frowned upon.

There have been (and still are) limitations placed on heterosexual relationships as well.