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[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

who would know wrote...
Re: Liara's bugged romance. The only way to turn her down on this screen is "I just want to be friends." Do not pick "you were wrong."

It's a trap!

How is it a trap?

Picking the obvious rejection line 'You were wrong" leads to the romance flag still being set.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

who would know wrote...
Re: Liara's bugged romance. The only way to turn her down on this screen is "I just want to be friends." Do not pick "you were wrong."

It's a trap!

How is it a trap?

Picking the obvious rejection line 'You were wrong" leads to the romance flag still being set.

What? How??? Are you serious?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 27 septembre 2011 - 12:36 .

[silentassassin264]

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

who would know wrote...
Re: Liara's bugged romance. The only way to turn her down on this screen is "I just want to be friends." Do not pick "you were wrong."

It's a trap!

How is it a trap?

Picking the obvious rejection line 'You were wrong" leads to the romance flag still being set.

What? How??? Are you serious?

Never happened with me.  I was a complete ass to Liara on my main renegade and she got the message.

[ElitePinecone]

^ Apparently, yes. The only way to switch off the Liara romance is to pick "I just want to be friends".

[Abispa]

Maybe Quething and Co. can author a VG companion guide entitled "How to Turn Down Unwanted Bioware Romances Without Killing the Love Interests."

[Abispa]

[quote]silentassassin264 wrote...
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Never happened with me.  I was a complete ass to Liara on my main renegade and she got the message.

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From my experience, the only way just being mean to Liara helps turn off her romance tag is if you romance someone else. If you try to avoid love all together and just use the "You were wrong," she'll be the one who almost kisses you by the lockers and will walk in on you before the last mission. I play on XBox.

[MACharlie1]

You can also avoid romance with Liara by waiting until after you've completed Noveria and Feros (or Noveria and Virmire or Feros and Virmire) to recruit her. I like those scenes better anyway.

"You're rude for a hallucination!"

[Quething]

Abispa, I would never want to deprive folks of the joy they derive from giddily slaughtering their VS of choice.

MACharlie1 wrote...

You can also avoid romance with Liara by waiting until after you've completed Noveria and Feros (or Noveria and Virmire or Feros and Virmire) to recruit her. I like those scenes better anyway.

"You're rude for a hallucination!"

Plus if you do it that way she only has asari sex with you in front of your whole ground crew without player consent *one* time.

Anyway, here's a question about implementation that I don't think we've talked about yet. We've been told there will be some kind of built-in Genesis-style thing in the game that will allow non-import Sheps to make major decisions about the events of the previous games. Presumably this will also include romances.

What if they made certain romances (Miranda, Garrus, whoever) who you can't start a new relationship with in ME3, options for s/s "import"? As in, a new-for-ME3 femShep can choose to begin the game with an existing Tali romance, and that femShep will then have access to all the same returning romance comment that imported Talimancing dudeSheps have? (See also, from about 3:40).

It'd be far from my first choice for integrating any currently o/s only romance, and if there aren't complete, fully-developed s/s relationships I will full on shockwave a dude, I am not kidding. But it does strike me as a possible compromise to allow supplemental s/s that wouldn't otherwise be something they'd be willing to put the effort toward.

(IOW yes, still pushing for that "all bi" thing. )

Modifié par Quething, 27 septembre 2011 - 01:38 .

[MACharlie1]

Quething wrote...
What if they made certain romances (Miranda, Garrus, whoever) who you can't start a new relationship with in ME3, options for s/s "import"? As in, a new-for-ME3 femShep can choose to begin the game with an existing Tali romance, and that femShep will then have access to all the same returning romance comment that imported Talimancing dudeSheps have? (See also, from about 3:40).

It'd be far from my first choice for integrating any currently o/s only romance, and if there aren't complete, fully-developed s/s relationships I will full on shockwave a dude, I am not kidding. But it does strike me as a possible compromise to allow supplemental s/s that wouldn't otherwise be something they'd be willing to put the effort toward.

(IOW yes, still pushing for that "all bi" thing. )

I'd feel kind of jipped TBH after player ME2 and the only way to romance a character was with the opposite sex one. 

[Abispa]

I'm not thrilled about introducing a s/s relations through the comic, it kind of makes a gay toggle that supporters have to turn "on" as opposed to critics being able to turn it "off."

[Abispa]

Quething wrote...

Abispa, I would never want to deprive folks of the joy they derive from giddily slaughtering their VS of choice.

But Liara can't be nuked and it took me FOREVER to figure out how to kill Miranda.

[silentassassin264]

[quote]Abispa wrote...

[quote]silentassassin264 wrote...

Never happened with me.  I was a complete ass to Liara on my main renegade and she got the message.
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From my experience, the only way just being mean to Liara helps turn off her romance tag is if you romance someone else. If you try to avoid love all together and just use the "You were wrong," she'll be the one who almost kisses you by the lockers and will walk in on you before the last mission. I play on XBox.
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I had no other romance and had no one with me at the lockers and no Ilos ninjamance and I picked the renegade option every time.

Modifié par silentassassin264, 27 septembre 2011 - 02:08 .

[FoxHound109]

Update: YAY! It worked! I saved Ash and didn't get a romance flag! Thanks so much Quething!

[Quething]

Happy to help

I figure it's only a toggle if it's the only s/s available. You'd still be able to start a new romance with... idk, Joker or Vega or Kaidan or whoever. And as a player who didn't want one of those romances, you'd have to not pursue those dialogs in the actual game. Basically, it would offer exact parity: a femShep has the option of pursuing, through gameplay, a romance with any new male (or newly available old male) LI, and has the option of continuing, through import or Genesis, a romance with any old male LI. And a dudeShep has the option of pursuing, through gameplay, a romance with any new male (or newly available old male) LI, and the option of continuing, through import or Genesis, a romance with any old male LI.

It's not how I'd prefer to romance Miranda/Jacob/Jack/Garrus as a s/s Shepard, but I'll happily take it if it means the difference between getting just the new LIs, or getting everybody. (Which we won't! I'm just saying, it seems like the easiest and most equitable way to do it if we were.)

... man wtf is with these boards and their bizarre formatting issues 

Modifié par Quething, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:18 .

[AmyMac]

Quething wrote...

Abispa, I would never want to deprive folks of the joy they derive from giddily slaughtering their VS of choice.

MACharlie1 wrote...

You can also avoid romance with Liara by waiting until after you've completed Noveria and Feros (or Noveria and Virmire or Feros and Virmire) to recruit her. I like those scenes better anyway.

"You're rude for a hallucination!"

Plus if you do it that way she only has asari sex with you in front of your whole ground crew without player consent *one* time.

Anyway, here's a question about implementation that I don't think we've talked about yet. We've been told there will be some kind of built-in Genesis-style thing in the game that will allow non-import Sheps to make major decisions about the events of the previous games. Presumably this will also include romances.

What if they made certain romances (Miranda, Garrus, whoever) who you can't start a new relationship with in ME3, options for s/s "import"? As in, a new-for-ME3 femShep can choose to begin the game with an existing Tali romance, and that femShep will then have access to all the same returning romance comment that imported Talimancing dudeSheps have? (See also, from about 3:40).

It'd be far from my first choice for integrating any currently o/s only romance, and if there aren't complete, fully-developed s/s relationships I will full on shockwave a dude, I am not kidding. But it does strike me as a possible compromise to allow supplemental s/s that wouldn't otherwise be something they'd be willing to put the effort toward.

(IOW yes, still pushing for that "all bi" thing. )

Actually, that would ****** me off beyond belief if the only way for FemShep to romance Miranda (or any other female character, except Tali, because I hate her) was to start a new game in ME3. All my ME2 playthroughs have been imports, and I intend to see them all through to their (hopefully very different) endings in ME3.
I guess it just doesn't make sense to offer the player a choice at the beginning of ME3 that wasn't available in ME1/2.

[katerinafm]

But if the only way to pursue a s/s romance with characters from me2 is to start a new game then wouldn't it make it unfair for people that want to play with their imports? Unless we'd be able to edit (like with gibbed) our imports at the beginning of me3 and it gives us an option to pretend we had started a relationship with a s/s character we couldn't before...I don't know, sounds confusing to me XD.

I'd really feel left out if you could only do that with a new me3 game. I always start from me1 with my Shepards. I've tried with the default backround it gives you at the beginning of me2 but it's just not the same and I always end up going back to me1 to start from the beginning. It makes it much more personal and I feel like I have control in the game more because I know every decision I made.

Modifié par katerinafm, 27 septembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[ElitePinecone]

Agree with the import issue.

Also I don't think importing will follow the Genesis route last time I heard, and even if it did I doubt Bioware would assign a high priority to making previously o/s LIs open to both new genders of Shep. Plus, we already know that not all of the ME/ME2 LIs will be available for re romancing anyway. They want to focus on the small number of new options and whoever from the old games that can be romanced again.

[Quething]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Agree with the import issue.

Also I don't think importing will follow the Genesis route last time I heard,

Genesis-style flag-setting is a known feature.

In ME2-with-Genesis, new Shepards can begin new relationships with the new o/s ME2 love interests, or new Shepards can create existing relationships with the old o/s ME1 love interests.*

In ME3, new Shepards will again be able to begin new relationships with the new o/s ME3 love interests, and they'll be able to begin new relationships with the new s/s ME3 love interests. They will also, it is exceedingly likely, again be able to create existing relationships with the old o/s ME1 or ME2 love interests.*

Not all LIs will be available for new relationships.
All LIs will guaranteed be available for continuing existing relationships; those dialogs must be written, those plot flags must be set up, so that imported Sheps will be able to play out their imported romances. It would be beneficial to the player and beyond trivial for BioWare to make those existing plots available to new players, as it was in ME2, which is why they did it in ME2, and why it's more than likely they'll do it again in ME3.

It would only be marginally less trivial to allow new s/s Sheps access to those flags as well. Meer and Hale record all those lines anyway; you'd need maybe half a dozen lines by the LI voice actors with pronouns flipped, probably combined (it was about that for Liara in ME1, and she was there for the whole game).

They won't do it, of course. But it would be a good thing if they did.

(And to address katerinafm's point: yeah, it kinda does suck, but think about it this way: would it suck more to only be able to s/s romance your character of choice with a new ME3 game, or to not be able to s/s romance your character of choice at all and be stuck with just the new ME3 options?

Plus, there is always Gibbed; I'm sure there'll be an ME3-compatible version within a month of launch that lets you fix that stuff. Still leaves PS3 players a bit in the lurch but again: better than nothing at all.)


* Or s/s in femShep/Liara's case.

Italics!

Modifié par Quething, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:31 .

[erilben]

Quething wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

Agree with the import issue.

Also I don't think importing will follow the Genesis route last time I heard,

Genesis-style flag-setting is a known feature.

But more recently they supposedly said there is no comic because the only people who care about past choices are those that already played the previous games.
http://www.kotaku.co...-mass-effect-3/

[ElitePinecone]

^ That news item was what I was referring to, before. Though that said, David Silverman (all respect to him) hasn't had a fantastic record predicting what people like about his company's video games, and as far as I know isn't actually in charge of the importing. Button-awesome.

Also, let me clarify (since my other post was on a phone and very hard to write) - I 100% support the idea. I think it's fantastic, and all characters should be given the choice to (re)romance ME/ME2/ME3 characters if they so wish.

But I don't think it's likely, at all. I'd also have a lot of issues with the importing; I'd rather have my Shepard from ME/ME2 without all the ME2 LIs available for s/s, than have to create a new ME3 character without the small decisions imported.

More to the point: most of this discussion is moot, since Walters has already said that not every LI from previous games will be available to re-romance anyway. As much as it's a great idea, anything we talk about is hypothetical at best.

[Quething]

ElitePinecone wrote...

^ That news item was what I was referring to, before. Though that said, David Silverman (all respect to him) hasn't had a fantastic record predicting what people like about his company's video games, and as far as I know isn't actually in charge of the importing. Button-awesome.

Also, let me clarify (since my other post was on a phone and very hard to write) - I 100% support the idea. I think it's fantastic, and all characters should be given the choice to (re)romance ME/ME2/ME3 characters if they so wish.

But I don't think it's likely, at all. I'd also have a lot of issues with the importing; I'd rather have my Shepard from ME/ME2 without all the ME2 LIs available for s/s, than have to create a new ME3 character without the small decisions imported.

More to the point: most of this discussion is moot, since Walters has already said that not every LI from previous games will be available to re-romance anyway. As much as it's a great idea, anything we talk about is hypothetical at best.

Well, "re-romance" in the sense of new romance, no. But every LI will have romance content, in order to provide for those imported Sheps who romanced them in earlier games. That's the content they could make accessable to anyone.

I hadn't seen that Kotaku article, though. Odd that "Genesis mechanic" is still in the "Confirmed Features" thread in the main ME3 forum, in light of that; I wouldn't think the whole thread could overlook it. Now I'm just confused.

no italics in this post, I am slacking

[MageTarot]

I'm in the middle of a ME/ME2 playthrough, my second in fact.  The first one had me playing a modded maleShep for the specific purpose of a Kaidan romance. However, since I didn't want to take any chances with a modded import messing up the ME3 story line my second maleShep is gender swich-free.

So far I think I think I'm on the right track regarding a 'legit' Kaidan romance should it present itself in ME3. My ME1 import had me save Kaidan and not romance Ashley or Liara. My ME2 choices will have my Shep continue to be romance-free. At this point all I can do is finish and then wait until March to see if I did it right. *crosses fingers*

What I would like to ask from other posters on this thread is what you all are doing to prepare for possilbe ME3 s/s romances with Ash or Kaidan in your current playthroughs.

Thanks in advance for your input!

[Indigo the Cat]

When the creators said they were expanding options for romance, I hope that it doesn't literally translate to, "We through in one male character that male Shepard can have a 1 night-stand with."

I hope that the options for both male and female Shepard include multiple same-sex romance options with both human and non-human. (And not just the Asari for female Shepard, either.)  Personally, I'd love to have male Shepard get with Garrus in the end, but it's probably just wishful thinking.

The actual gender/role of Asari (specifically, Liara) with Shepard is still interesting to interpret.  As far as considering the Asari as a mono-gendered species, it does not mean that they are sexless, so regardless of what people say, I consider them to be females. They aren't exactly androgynous, as when they reproduce, they aren't fertilized so much as they are stimulated. Earthworms are androgynous, because it requires two of them to reproduce, but when they "mate," both worms get pregnant from the single act. Although, it would be interesting to see BioWare's explaination if it is possible for two Asari to both become pregnant within a single joining act...  then again, Asari culture does look down on the practice of Asari reproducing with other Asari, and maybe one reason might be because both partners could become pregnant, resulting in both of them burdening family and friends, rather than just one?

Modifié par Indigo the Cat, 27 septembre 2011 - 11:07 .

[ScotGaymer]

Quething wrote...

Well, "re-romance" in the sense of new romance, no. But every LI will have romance content, in order to provide for those imported Sheps who romanced them in earlier games. That's the content they could make accessable to anyone.

I hadn't seen that Kotaku article, though. Odd that "Genesis mechanic" is still in the "Confirmed Features" thread in the main ME3 forum, in light of that; I wouldn't think the whole thread could overlook it. Now I'm just confused.

no italics in this post, I am slacking

I wouldnt trust anything David Silverman says.

He doesnt have the best record for accurate quotes; the man isnt a developer so he doesnt actually know what is going to go into the game and what isnt.
If Casey Hudson says something I say "yay!" because he probably knows what hes talking about; if David Silverman says the same thing I say "wheres the proof?" because I reckon the mans an idiot.