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[ElitePinecone]

MageTarot wrote...

What I would like to ask from other posters on this thread is what you all are doing to prepare for possilbe ME3 s/s romances with Ash or Kaidan in your current playthroughs.

Much the same, I've kept Kaidan alive and hopefully didn't ruin things on Horizon. 

One thing I did find interesting in the New Yorker article (they had a description of a voice acting scene with Jennifer Hale where Shepard spoke to Ashley/Kaidan) was that it seemed to suggest the conversation on Horizon actually influenced the way Shepard's relationship with the character evolves into ME3. 

The line was actually "The result of that conversation, which can play out in various ways, determines how the character of A/K will interact with Shepard in Mass Effect 3". 

But I highly, highly doubt Bioware would make the s/s romances difficult to access, especially with Ashley and Kaidan given the already low ratio of people who kept them alive with a same-gendered Shep. I don't think it's going to be like "You had to have chosen [line x] on Horizon otherwise they won't listen to you", etc. 

Indigo the Cat wrote...

When the creators said they were expanding options for romance, I hope that it doesn't literally translate to, "We through in one male character that male Shepard can have a 1 night-stand with."

I'm highly positive that it'll be more than one option. In fact, I can guarantee it'll be at least two. Possibly squadmates, possibly other characters outside the Normandy. 

Edit: I just tweeted Mac Walters trying to find out what that line in the New Yorker meant - it's making me wonder, now. 

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 27 septembre 2011 - 12:28 .

[wolf99000]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Agree with the import issue.

Also I don't think importing will follow the Genesis route last time I heard, and even if it did I doubt Bioware would assign a high priority to making previously o/s LIs open to both new genders of Shep. Plus, we already know that not all of the ME/ME2 LIs will be available for re romancing anyway. They want to focus on the small number of new options and whoever from the old games that can be romanced again.

when you say not all me2 li will be available for re romancing I am assuming bioware mean because they could have been killed in me2 right

[shepskisaac]

ElitePinecone wrote...

But I highly, highly doubt Bioware would make the s/s romances difficult to access, especially with Ashley and Kaidan given the already low ratio of people who kept them alive with a same-gendered Shep. I don't think it's going to be like "You had to have chosen [line x] on Horizon otherwise they won't listen to you", etc.

Agree. I doubt Horizon would be the second flag for s/s romance with Kaidan/Ash. Virmire is big enough of a flag/variable.

[FoxHound109]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I'm highly positive that it'll be more than one option. In fact, I can guarantee it'll be at least two. Possibly squadmates, possibly other characters outside the Normandy. 

Pretty much. I think making only Ashley or Kaidan the s/s romance option would be a horrible disservice to the gay fans of Bioware and just bad game design in general. We have to remember that none of us knew that Bioware was implementing this feature until the third game and some of us nuked the possible s/s romance option. In my case, I nuked Kaidan. It would be terribly unfair to make gamers replay the first two games just so they could get the s/s romance. It would be bad mechanics implementation, and the idea of picking everything all over again through comic/other means would completely cheapen the whole point of the game for those who have been playing it since day one. I would feel cheated if Bioware made me pick everything again through an interactive comic when I've put so much effort into my in-game Shepard.

That's why I think it's highly likely that, provided the s/s L.I.s stick to the main crew, Vega will definitely be the m/m romance option. He's the ONLY male character in the crew GUARANTEED to survive into Mass Effect 3. Even other options like Garrus, Thane, Jacob, etc. are not guaranteed to have survived the suicide mission. It would then AGAIN be unfair to the player. 

Unless Bioware pulls a Kelly Chambers. In which case I will be horribly disappointed. The romances in Mass Effect 2 were effin' ATROCIOUS (minuse Thane and maybe Tali). Just bad, cheesy, poorly written and shoehorned. Chambers was the WORST offender. She represents EXACTLY what I DON'T want in a video game romance. She's less Mass Effect romance and more Fable romance: she's there, she has nothing especial about her, and sure you can romance her, but why would you? It's such a horrible cop-out. I'm hoping the Mass Effect team will finally have the balls to this far and do it the right way. People can complain about the Dragon Age team making everyone bisexual and all that other stuff, but one thing is for certain about the DA team that the Mass Effect team wishes it had: the DA team has some serious gonads. They take things and run with them. The ME team could learn a great deal from them.

[jlb524]

I bet it will be Ash/Kaidan (they'll have to be re-romanced again anyway) and Vega plus this new female squad mate that has been hinted at by Weekes.

Kelly's may continue, though I don't expect her to have a huge role. Perhaps there will be a male version of Kelly (non-squad mate LI).

Liara doesn't count *winks*

[The Uncanny]

jlb524 wrote...

I bet it will be Ash/Kaidan (they'll have to be re-romanced again anyway) and Vega plus this new female squad mate that has been hinted at by Weekes.

You're probably right. But I'll cling onto my faint shred of hope until that too is cruelly dashed.

[Xilizhra]

She's less Mass Effect romance and more Fable romance: she's there, she has nothing especial about her, and sure you can romance her, but why would you?

I actually thought hers was the most realistic romance. You meet, you start liking each other, you go on a few dates, and it continues over the course of a lot of (admittedly short) conversations instead of two or three.

[Zjarcal]

FoxHound109 wrote...
She's less Mass Effect romance and more Fable romance: she's there, she has nothing especial about her, and sure you can romance her, but why would you?

Because one likes her character? And just because you don't like her (or her romance, which in my opinion is actually the most well done in ME2) doesn't mean others won't.

Modifié par Zjarcal, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:13 .

[Lenimph]

I wish Fable's romances were as close to as good Kelly's romance is. But really if you have that view about romances, why would you romance anyone in Mass Effect at all?

Modifié par Lenimph, 27 septembre 2011 - 04:24 .

[jlb524]

The Uncanny wrote...

You're probably right. But I'll cling onto my faint shred of hope until that too is cruelly dashed.

I hope I'm not right for your sake

Perhaps this new lady will be interesting...

Xilizhra wrote...

She's less Mass Effect romance and more Fable romance: she's there, she has nothing especial about her, and sure you can romance her, but why would you?

I actually thought hers was the most realistic romance. You meet, you start liking each other, you go on a few dates, and it continues over the course of a lot of (admittedly short) conversations instead of two or three.

I agree.  Much better pacing and dev when compared to the other ones.

[Lenimph]

jlb524 wrote...
Perhaps this new lady will be interesting human...

Fixed... (unless there's confirmation that she already is) 

[jlb524]

Lenimph wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Perhaps this new lady will be interesting human...

Fixed... (unless there's confirmation that she already is) 

Nah, we know nothing about her.

She'll probably be a turian.

[FoxHound109]

Here's my issue with the Chambers romance: the progression is logical and her character is nice, I just feel like she's superficial in the sense of character development. Let me explain what I mean by that! She doesn't have enough character development for me to become attached to her the way I would to one of the main squad members. I feel like the romances in ME 2 were generally bad but I feel like I could have my Shep become more attached to the main crew members because they feel more tangible than Chambers does. I don't want a male version of Chambers. At all.

...although I will admit that Kenneth Donnelly was delicious. And that accent! DEAR GOD THAT ACCENT!

Modifié par FoxHound109, 27 septembre 2011 - 05:20 .

[lazuli]

Zjarcal wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...
She's less Mass Effect romance and more Fable romance: she's there, she has nothing especial about her, and sure you can romance her, but why would you?

Because one likes her character? And just because you don't like her (or her romance, which in my opinion is actually the most well done in ME2) doesn't mean others won't.

It smacks of sexual harassment in the workplace, especially with a maleshep.  Maybe it's just me.

[Athayniel]

The problem about Kelly is that anything meaningful you ever learn about her you learn during your first conversation. After that it's all flirting. Which is nice I suppose... but it could have been more interesting. At least with the other LIs their stories are revealed over the course of several conversations.

The best thing would be a combination of the two. Learn things about the LI over several conversations but let me flirt with them every time we talk, even if that's all we do. Especially if that's all we do. There was not enough flirting in ME2.

Can you tell I loved flirting and teasing with Bastilla in KotOR?

[Athayniel]

FoxHound109 wrote...

...although I will admit that Kenneth Donnelly was delicious. And that accent! DEAR GOD THAT ACCENT!

That painfully fake accent? *cringes* Take it from someone who lives in the UK. His accent slips constantly. Gabby is all sorts of awesome though.

[wolf99000]

I am sure bioware did say that kelly will be back and if you invited her to your room for a dance it will mean something in me3 where romances go I have a feeling there will be more s/s options for femshep than male shep

I did not so much mind the kelly romance the only thing was she was way to easy she should have at least made shepard work for it

[FoxHound109]

Athayniel wrote...

The problem about Kelly is that anything meaningful you ever learn about her you learn during your first conversation. After that it's all flirting. Which is nice I suppose... but it could have been more interesting. At least with the other LIs their stories are revealed over the course of several conversations.

EXACTLY! Her romance progression was good but she was terribly underdeveloped as a character, especially in comparison to your squadmates. I would feel cheated if Bioware did the same thing for my manShep and gave me an underdeveloped side character to romance. Blegh! If it's not Vega or Kaidan then my manShep is going to spend the rest of his life being a celibate, lonely hero! D:

That painfully fake accent? *cringes* Take it from someone who lives in the UK. His accent slips constantly. Gabby is all sorts of awesome though.

Ha, ha! I admit that accents are not my expertise. But I still found him so sexy. I was hoping my manShepwould get to take him to a back room and -- AHEM! I'll stop myself now!

wolf99000 wrote...
I have a feeling there will be more s/s options for femshep than male shep

I don't mind that, honestly. As long as we get AT LEAST Vega and, hopefully, Kaidan. I prefer quality over quantity. I kind of feel like the ladies are going to get screwed (no pun intended) here...Bioware might look at Liara and Kelly and think that it's good enough and give them ladies a botched s/s L.I. That would suck for them. =\\

[ScotGaymer]

FoxHound109 wrote...

-snip-

...although I will admit that Kenneth Donnelly was delicious. And that accent! DEAR GOD THAT ACCENT!

You mean the comedic inaccurate grating on the ears Scottish accent that sounds more canadian than Scottish?

That accent?

I literally flinched the first time I heard it. It is almost (but not quite) as bad as the so called "welsh" accents that sound more Irish for the Dalish in DA2.

Modifié par FitScotGaymer, 27 septembre 2011 - 07:24 .

[Ryzaki]

lol

I liked Jacob's accent.

[Wulfram]

lazuli wrote...

It smacks of sexual harassment in the workplace, especially with a maleshep.  Maybe it's just me.

Any romance which Shepard initiates has that issue.

[Quething]

jlb524 wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

jlb524 wrote...
Perhaps this new lady will be interesting human...

Fixed... (unless there's confirmation that she already is)

Nah, we know nothing about her.

She'll probably be a turian.

Here's hoping! (Female bisexual turian vanguard for the win.)

As for prepping for ME3: I too am replaying my hacked Ashmancing mainShep to be celibate through the first two games. I'll carry both versions into ME3 to see which works out better.

In honestly, though, I suspect I'll ultimately end up preferring the hack, even if it leaves dialogs awkward and/or unvoiced in ME3; part of what appeals to me in the ME1 romance is how much it meant that Jakarta, who does not break regs, was willing to start a relationship with a subordinate. If she waits around until ME3 when they're both Spectres and there's really nothing stopping them, it loses some of the impact for me. (Of course it could also be argued to be more in-character. I guess we'll see.)

DudeShep is already single, so he's already prepped, no problem.

[katerinafm]

MageTarot wrote...

What I would like to ask from other posters on this thread is what you all are doing to prepare for possilbe ME3 s/s romances with Ash or Kaidan in your current playthroughs.

Thanks in advance for your input!

I already made two Shepards that are unromanced just so I can romance Kaidan in me3. I haven't made an unromanced female because I would probably always pick Liara anyway since she's my favorite character.



The PERFECT (for me, just a personal opinion!) thing that they could do in me3 is making s/s:

The Virmire choice
+ an exclusively gay new character for male and female that's not available for straight Shepards. I don't know about you guys, but if players that were against s/s start whining about exclusive s/s characters not being available for them I would just enjoy it so much XDD
+ a couple of me2 squadmates (based on popularity, for example Miranda or Jack and I don't know, Garrus/Jacob? I only care for Kaidan for my maleShep so I haven't thought about it XD) revealing that they are bi, again for male and female.
I would have said Thane (he is one of my favorite characters in me2) because he really seems like a person that connects with people spiritually and really wouldn't care whether you were female or not, but since he's sick I doubt he could be available now

But we probably won't get that many s/s romance choices in me3, unless they make every character available for s/s (but the dialogue would probably be less unique so you wouldn't feel like you were having a romance that you only could with s/s).

Modifié par katerinafm, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:28 .

[SnowHeart1]

I'd have no problem if it's not Kaidan for the m/m romance. That's not to say I wouldn't like the option (I would), but I'm completely fine with it not being as such. He made one of my ManShep's hot and bothered in ME, but Shep dealt with it and moved on, knowing his love was unrequited and letting his crush die a quiet little death. Sure, he tossed Ashley to the nuclear winds on Vermire, but she was an annoying racist anyway... had nothing to do with a torch he was carrying for someone else. ...   Ahem...

Seriously, I'd be fine with it not being Kaidan. It doesn't quite fit with how I see the character now after ten billion playthroughs. However... Vega... post-repeal of DADT... as an alliance Marine... and, based on the Conviction mini-comic, a total bad ass... yeah... I actually really like that idea and would celebrate the decision with a toast.

If it's a Kelly Chambers-esque romance, however... you know what... I don't even want to contemplate that kind of disappointment. So... about Mr. Vega's hair...

Modifié par SnowHeart1, 27 septembre 2011 - 10:44 .