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[ladyvader]

ElitePinecone wrote...

^ I doubt they'd disadvantage PS3 users in that way.

Are Gianna and Shiala in ME2 for PS3 users?

Plus, it's always possible that the non-squadmate 'encounters' are just opportunities for Shep to flirt with characters, similar to what DA2 lets you do on occasion. I highly doubt there'd be random sex in the middle of a mission.

It's always possible that some characters will be static and remain at one location while still being major parts of the story - returning to see them after a mission might unlock some new dialogue, or something. That's as valid a romance as any in ME/ME2, except that they aren't on the ship and can't be used in combat.

Or they could be new characters entirely.

No, they are not.  Feros isn't even mentioned in Genesis.  The colony didn't make it and you run into a random survivor on Illium.  They've moved to back to Earth, but stayed together. 

[ElitePinecone]

Hm, that rules out both of the female characters who made advances at maleShep in ME2 (assuming they survived).

I can't think of many others who could credibly appear in ME3 as non-Normandy LIs, s/s or otherwise. Perhaps they'll all (all? however many there are...) be new characters.

[shepskisaac]

Only Joker & Chakwas fit. If there's more Kelly-like LIs, it will be with some new crewmate(s), maybe assigned by the Alliance.

[Athayniel]

I really liked Lizbeth Baynham from Feros too. I was glad to get an email from her during my ME2 playthroughs which may not happen on the PS3 I imagine.

[FoxHound109]

IsaacShep wrote...

Only Joker & Chakwas fit. If there's more Kelly-like LIs, it will be with some new crewmate(s), maybe assigned by the Alliance.

I adore Chakwas, but that would just be awkward...

[shepskisaac]

FoxHound109 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Only Joker & Chakwas fit. If there's more Kelly-like LIs, it will be with some new crewmate(s), maybe assigned by the Alliance.

I adore Chakwas, but that would just be awkward...

Actually, if she was a LI, I would finally make a straight ManShep for her, I love Helen Mirren

Modifié par IsaacShep, 28 septembre 2011 - 03:52 .

[Athayniel]

IsaacShep wrote...
Actually, if she was a LI, I would finally make a straight ManShep for her, I love Helen Mirren

I hope you mean that in a general 'I think some actresses are hot despite their age' way because Dr Chakwas' VA is Carolyn Seymour who plays a mean Romulan.

Modifié par Athayniel, 28 septembre 2011 - 04:03 .

[Wulfram]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Ah, just found Hudson's tweet: "Love interests won't all necessarily be permanent squad members in #ME3 . Interesting new things happening in that area."

That could just refer to some of the ME2 LIs who won't be full time sqad members in ME3

[shepskisaac]

Athayniel wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...
Actually, if she was a LI, I would finally make a straight ManShep for her, I love Helen Mirren

I hope you mean that in a general 'I think some actresses are hot despite their age' way because Dr Chakwas' VA is Carolyn Seymour who plays a mean Romulan.

I know, but Chakwas reminds me of Mirren alot

[wolf99000]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Hm, that rules out both of the female characters who made advances at maleShep in ME2 (assuming they survived).

I can't think of many others who could credibly appear in ME3 as non-Normandy LIs, s/s or otherwise. Perhaps they'll all (all? however many there are...) be new characters.

I did read that they would follow up on the flirting from both of them which makes it even more bad for ps3 owners

on other LIs what about anderson or rana

[ElitePinecone]

^ Anderson's on Earth, is about twice Shepard's age and is already involved with Kahlee Sanders from the novels.

Rana could be dead and is an incredibly minor character.

Wulfram wrote...

That could just refer to some of the ME2 LIs who won't be full time sqad members in ME3

Yeah, that's true, actually. Although I'm wondering why he used 'interesting new things'. It could be that some/all of the ME2 LIs aren't permanent squadmates (how could they be, if they're potentially dead...) - but rotating them in and out of the squad seems likely.

[Ravensword]

ElitePinecone wrote...

^ Anderson's on Earth, is about twice Shepard's age and is already involved with Kahlee Sanders from the novels.

Rana could be dead and is an incredibly minor character.

Wulfram wrote...

That could just refer to some of the ME2 LIs who won't be full time sqad members in ME3

Yeah, that's true, actually. Although I'm wondering why he used 'interesting new things'. It could be that some/all of the ME2 LIs aren't permanent squadmates (how could they be, if they're potentially dead...) - but rotating them in and out of the squad seems likely.

And yet Tali and Garrus will return as squadmates. Not that i'm disappointed or anything, that's pretty awesome.

[lazuli]

Ferris95 wrote...
Valid points but, I was thinking more a long the lines of a tone thing. Like Meer's voice acting just being slightly off during a couple of lines.

Maybe.  It's been a while since I've flirted with Kelly (I can't be bothered with cabin customization anymore).  I don't think it's anything in Meer's voice that creeps me out.  It's what he's saying. 

This would be the opposite of the Jacob romance situation, where for so many people it was Hale's tone that creeped them out, not necessarily the words she was saying.  There's a perfectly innocent way of saying, "I'm more interested in just talking for a bit."  I don't think the same can be said of "Where's my hug, Kelly?" given the context, but I'm probably a bit jaded.

[Ravensword]

Since it's been confirmed that there will be s/s romances the focus goes over to  who will be an s/s romance. More specifically is who people want to be an s/s romance. There will be a lot of unhappy people when there favorite character isn't available to be romanceable by a Shepard of the same sex. For example, if Miranda is availabel as an s/s romance instead of, oh, say Tali, then my head will explode.

[ElitePinecone]

People will always be unhappy - and I think that's pretty unfair on Bioware, to be honest. They don't have unlimited resources and they're trying their best to cater for as many people as they can.

I've said it before: I'm just happy that they're in there at all. Any s/s option is better than none, in terms of making Shepard more identifiable and making the game more immersive.

I understand that people have their favourite characters and even have grand plans to romance them with a same-gender Shepard in ME3 - but the reality of the situation is that not every character will be available. Bioware just can't provide all options for everybody, or they'd be stuck in development for years.

Perhaps instead of being inevitably disappointed when things don't turn out the way you want, people try and enjoy the game for what it is, and appreciate the lengths Bioware have gone and the effort they've put into it? Bioware's characterisation is a strength of their games but you also see the writers having fun with the characters and enjoying the art of storytelling. It's better, in my opinion, to be thankful for that effort than be annoyed when they can't cater to every possible player wish.

Case-in-point: I loved Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. I'll enjoy ME3 with or without s/s romances. Do they add an extra level of awesomeness? Yes. But it still looks like an amazing game regardless.

[Valdrane78]

Pinecone is indeed correct, you CANNOT please everyone. But that is also part of the problem, when they try to please one portion of the community they will displease a different portion.

"They turned my favorite hetero bro/sis bi and now they are hitting on me, wtf Bioware!"
"They didn't turn the person I wanted to romance bi, wtf Bioware!"

When you try to please everyone, you wind up displeasing more than you bargained for, and there are some people with enough nerd rage that they will come here and complain, whine and moan about it. Which is exactly what I am worried about the most. Dozens of new threads pertaining to those people who didn't get exactly what they want and now hate everyone who doesn't agree with them and their "I'm the only one that matters!" attitude.

I welcome S/S romance, hell my male Shep might even decided to romance the helmsman with the creaky little legs, and my female Shep might decide that Ash has one hell of a nice body that needs a little tlc. But I do not welcome the backlash from nerd ragers who didn't get what they want.

P.S. if my male Shep was to really do an S/S romance, it would be with a real man, like Wrex or Grunt. Not that sissy Kaidan who complains of headaches and has a penchant for wearing white armor with pink accents.

[Ryzaki]

...I don't even like Kaidan and I admit he's not a complainer. 

He said he had a headache *one* time. Sheesh.

That said my dude Shep wants helmsman too. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 29 septembre 2011 - 04:28 .

[Ravensword]

ElitePinecone wrote...

People will always be unhappy - and I think that's pretty unfair on Bioware, to be honest. They don't have  unlimited resources and they're trying their best to cater for as many  people as they can.

I've said it before: I'm just happy that  they're in there at all. Any s/s option is better than none, in terms of making Shepard more identifiable and making the game more immersive.

I understand that people have their favourite characters and even have grand plans to romance them with a same-gender Shepard in ME3 - but the  reality of the situation is that not every character will be available.  Bioware just can't provide all options for everybody, or they'd be stuck in development for years.

Perhaps instead of being inevitably  disappointed when things don't turn out the way you want, people try and enjoy the game for what it is, and appreciate the lengths Bioware have gone and the effort they've put into it? Bioware's characterisation is a strength of their games but you also see the writers having fun with the characters and enjoying the art of storytelling. It's better, in my  opinion, to be thankful for that effort than be annoyed when they can't  cater to every possible player wish.

Case-in-point: I loved Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2. I'll enjoy ME3 with or without s/s romances.  Do they add an extra level of awesomeness? Yes. But it still looks like  an amazing game regardless.

Oh, I didn't mean to sound like I won't appreciate the effort they made towards creating the game or to sound like one of those people that vow not to purchase ME3 because some small aspect of the game like romances aren't to their liking. I'm  not completely irrational, bro. That doesn't mean that I won't be annoyed if it turns out that Miranda is made and s/s romance instead  of Tali. I would bet money that this thread will become full posts stating their annoyance or disappointment that Miranda wasn't an s/s romance.

Modifié par Ravensword, 29 septembre 2011 - 06:58 .

[ElitePinecone]

I can understand that - everybody has their favourite - but when the entire forum goes mental over a minuscule part of the game, when Bioware is trying their best to cater to everyone, it's a bit... dispiriting.

Ultimately it's Bioware's creation, and while they do try to make fans happy where they can, we don't exactly have a mandate to get up in arms every time a developer makes a decision we don't like, especially when it's about something so comparatively small (or optional, for that matter).

Strictly speaking developers don't have any obligation to the demands of their fans beyond what will sell units and make their investors happy. In Bioware's case, however - as we've seen - they generally do like to cater for fans, but it's not limitless and I don't think people on the forums should expect it to be.

I think it's fine to be disappointed - I was disappointed in the lack of s/s for two games - but that needs to be coupled with the understanding that a developer working with finite time and money can't possibly satisfy every request, and there's much more to the internal decision making process than we could ever hope to appreciate (or get access to).

[FoxHound109]

In all honesty, I'll just be happy to see my Shepard's story end. I want to see how it all goes down, whether or not he gets to romance another dude. I really, really hope they make Vega the m/m option, but if they don't, I won't flip out over it.

[SnowHeart1]

Oh, people will inevitably be enraged/disappointed/whatever once we know who is a LI and who isn't. I'm thinking back to the announcements with Dragon Age. "Oh! Fenris! Of course it's the flouncy, emo elf," even though he wasn't flouncy at all, people decided he was, or emo and never dug into his character. Anders was a variant of the same thing. (Don't quite recall the deal with Merrill (child?) or Isabella (****?). Anyway, my point is people will jump to conclusions, even the pro-s/s crowd, that will lead to disappointment and acrimony.

Should it? Absolutely not. I guess I'm just saying... "brace yourself". Some people are going to lose it. Nature of the internet.

[jlb524]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I can understand that - everybody has their favourite - but when the entire forum goes mental over a minuscule part of the game, when Bioware is trying their best to cater to everyone, it's a bit... dispiriting.

I wouldn't say the entire forum is going mental over romances.  There is a subset that cares about that aspect of the game above others, though.

This 'going mental' will hardly be limited to the issue of 'who's down for s/s loving or not'.  There will also be raging because LI X didn't get as much screen time as LI Y, or you can have kids with LI X and not LI Y, etc.  Regardless, it's a small amount of the entire forum population.

ElitePinecone wrote...
I think it's fine to be disappointed - I was disappointed in the lack of s/s for two games - but that needs to be coupled with the understanding that a developer working with finite time and money can't possibly satisfy every request, and there's much more to the internal decision making process than we could ever hope to appreciate (or get access to).

My isssue with this is ultimately one of fairness.  When Character X already has romantic content added and it requires little effort to make them available to both sexes, then why not do it?

[FoxHound109]

Not to start an argument, but I can't believe you guys are at all buying into the claim that Bioware cut out the m/m romances in ME and ME 2 because of time or budget constraints...

[jlb524]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Not to start an argument, but I can't believe you guys are at all buying into the claim that Bioware cut out the m/m romances in ME and ME 2 because of time or budget constraints...

I've never bought that.  I've also never bought the, 'We can't have s/s romances in ME2 b/c it's PG-13!' either.