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[graciegrace]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I am in love with Mark Meer. Period.

His supposed "underacting" in the ME series has to be a directorial issue. He does a stellar job in emoting in other roles.

It really must be, I don't know why though considering they let JenHale emote all she wants...

[Dapper Pomegranate]

Zulmoka531 wrote...

Kelly was nothing more than my fish feeder. While I don't hate her, I don't think I needed a psychiatrist on board the Normandy. 

That was my feeling. I never really understood the point to Kelly. From what I hear, her "romance" was pretty meh. Did we really need a secretary that doesn't even realise we've already read our messages?

RinjiRenee wrote...

I am in love with Mark Meer. Period.
His supposed "underacting" in the ME series has to be a directorial issue. He does a stellar job in emoting in other roles.

Jethann. That is all.

[ipgd]

also this.

[Rinji the Bearded]

graciegrace wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

I am in love with Mark Meer. Period.

His supposed "underacting" in the ME series has to be a directorial issue. He does a stellar job in emoting in other roles.

It really must be, I don't know why though considering they let JenHale emote all she wants...

I have no idea, but after hearing him in the ME3 videos, I'm happy to hear that he's emoting much more.

ipgd wrote...

also this.

He told my favorite story about Jesus in a way that will touch my heart  forever.

Modifié par RinjiRenee, 15 juin 2011 - 06:50 .

[Syledir]

Siansonea II wrote...

Hmmm, I haven't really seen enough of them to really be able to comment on them, but I do like that a pro-mage Hawke can't rivalmance Fenris, and a pro-templar Hawke can't rivalmance Anders or Merrill.

You can rivalmance Anders while being a pro-templer but in the end the relationship will break apart. Same goes for Fenris if you side with the mages. Not sure about Merrill, though. Better than what they did in DA:O. Give your LI enough gifts and everything will be peachy. Defeats the purpose, if you ask me.

A rivalmance with Jack could probably go like this. Shepard constantly takes Cerberus' side. Jack grows frustrated but holds on to their romantic relationship. Don't ask me why. Lots of make up sex? But if Shepard continues to support Cerberus, sooner or later Jack will end the relationship and stand against you. Just speculation of course.

I am not sure, but I believe the rivalmance was generally seen as a nice addition in DA2. I think it wouldn't hurt to do the same with Mass Effect 3. 

[KawaiiKatie]

graciegrace wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

It's funny how little their natural speaking voices sound like their Mass Effect characters. Now I want to see a Mark Meer interview.

www.youtube.com/watch

You can hear MShep in there, but it's definitely not as prevelant.
Also Mark Meer is far more attractive than I thought he would be

Good lord in heaven I love that man. I love his Commander Shepard voice. I just... YES. YES TO ALL OF IT. All you haters that gotta hate on M!Sheps' voice, to the left, 'cause I'm not gonna listen to it, I'm far too absorbed in how awesome Mark Meer sounds.

Do you guys remember this video of M!Shep saying, "I'm only interested in men." ? I mean, it's probably just Mark Meer reading femShep's lines (like the always-hilarious "We're both women" clip) but good god, I want more of that in ME3. So deep and rich and masculine and.... interested in men. Yes please. <3

Modifié par KawaiiKatie, 15 juin 2011 - 06:55 .

[Puzzlewell]

RinjiRenee wrote...

I am in love with Mark Meer. Period.

His supposed "underacting" in the ME series has to be a directorial issue. He does a stellar job in emoting in other roles.

That's exactly it. I get shocked when I find out Mark voices so many wonderful characters in the DA-universe (looking at you Jethann  ), and then compare him to the delivery of ManShep and I'm just confused. The guy is incredibly talented on the DA roles so I wish they'd just allow him to give a full range as ManShep.

[ipgd]

Syledir wrote...

You can rivalmance Anders while being a pro-templer but in the end the relationship will break apart. Same goes for Fenris if you side with the mages. Not sure about Merrill, though. Better than what they did in DA:O. Give your LI enough gifts and everything will be peachy. Defeats the purpose, if you ask me.

You can rivalmance (or friendmance) both Merrill and Fenris to completion and have them side with you with the templars/mages respectively with no issue. You can only complete Anders's romance and side with the templars if he's rivaled, but he is implied to kill himself after the game.

Modifié par ipgd, 15 juin 2011 - 06:56 .

[shepskisaac]

KawaiiKatie wrote...
Do you guys remember this video of M!Shep saying, "I'm only interested in men." ? I mean, it's probably just Mark Meer reading femShep's lines (like the always-hilarious "We're both women" clip) but good god, I want more of that in ME3. So deep and rich and masculine and.... interested in men. Yes please. <3

My ManShep doesn't even need to say it loud, he already is exclusively interested in men. Kaidan Alenko in particular

[bleetman]

[edit] herp derp

Modifié par bleetman, 15 juin 2011 - 07:04 .

[KawaiiKatie]

IsaacShep wrote...

My ManShep doesn't even need to say it loud, he already is exclusively interested in men. Kaidan Alenko in particular

I hear that! My gayShep has definitely kindled a long-burning flame for Kaidan. ....and Jacob. ....and Thane. ...and Joker. ...and Kenneth, down in Engineering...

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Poor Kelly, she always gets blamed for the scale itch, I'm sure that was just Mordin taking the ******. But if I could choose any female character to be promoted to s/s LI it'd be Miranda, she's one of my favourite characters and she's quite different from Liara so it'd be a change (not that I necessarily need a change, Liara is fab).

[Syledir]

ipgd wrote...

Syledir wrote...

You can rivalmance Anders while being a pro-templer but in the end the relationship will break apart. Same goes for Fenris if you side with the mages. Not sure about Merrill, though. Better than what they did in DA:O. Give your LI enough gifts and everything will be peachy. Defeats the purpose, if you ask me.

You can rivalmance (or friendmance) both Merrill and Fenris to completion and have them side with you with the templars/mages respectively with no issue. You can only complete Anders's romance and side with the templars if he's rivaled, but he is implied to kill himself after the game.

 In my rivalmance with Fenris he left the group, because I sided with the mages. Rivalry was 100%. Later I tried to persuade him to join me. He refused and died in battle.
In my second playthrough I romanced Isabella but had 100% friendship with Fenris. Again I sided with the mages but I could persuade Fenris to join me. He accepted and all our enemies died in battle.

Anyway, my original question was if the option for rivalmance should be included in Mass Effect 3?

[ipgd]

Syledir wrote...

 In my rivalmance with Fenris he left the group, because I sided with the mages. Rivalry was 100%. Later I tried to persuade him to join me. He refused and died in battle.
In my second playthrough I romanced Isabella but had 100% friendship with Fenris. Again I sided with the mages but I could persuade Fenris to join me. He accepted and all our enemies died in battle.

As long as you have full friendship or rivalry, he'll cave and join you if you compare the mages to slaves.

Anyway, my original question was if the option for rivalmance should be included in Mass Effect 3?

Yes.

[Ryzaki]

Syledir wrote...
 In my rivalmance with Fenris he left the group, because I sided with the mages. Rivalry was 100%. Later I tried to persuade him to join me. He refused and died in battle.
In my second playthrough I romanced Isabella but had 100% friendship with Fenris. Again I sided with the mages but I could persuade Fenris to join me. He accepted and all our enemies died in battle.

Anyway, my original question was if the option for rivalmance should be included in Mass Effect 3?

Your game's probably bugged. Fenris has never turned on me in a rivalry mance at 100%. Neither has anyone really.Only one who does is Anders at 100% friendship if you side with the templars. (and choose to let him go). 

[Jademoon121]

ipgd wrote...

Syledir wrote...

 In my rivalmance with Fenris he left the group, because I sided with the mages. Rivalry was 100%. Later I tried to persuade him to join me. He refused and died in battle.
In my second playthrough I romanced Isabella but had 100% friendship with Fenris. Again I sided with the mages but I could persuade Fenris to join me. He accepted and all our enemies died in battle.

As long as you have full friendship or rivalry, he'll cave and join you if you compare the mages to slaves.

Anyway, my original question was if the option for rivalmance should be included in Mass Effect 3?

Yes.

If there's anything that should be taken away from DA2 is its rivalmances. It's one of the few things DA2 did well in.

[bleetman]

Syledir wrote...

Anyway, my original question was if the option for rivalmance should be included in Mass Effect 3?

I'd say 'sort of', in that I did like having others characters acknowledge when yours disagreed with them continuously, without going the usual route of just having them lock up and refuse to talk to you. I didn't much like the mechanics of it though with silly friendship/rivalry points, and the lack of a difference between getting rivalry due to disagreement on some issue or other, and getting rivalry points for verbally abusing them. I don't much see how being mercilessly cruel to Merrill causes a blossoming romance, for example. Or with Fenris whilst an elven slave works in your mansion. It's a bit silly at times.

So, yes. But not in the same way DA2 handled it.

Modifié par bleetman, 15 juin 2011 - 07:21 .

[jlb524]

I think what I prefer is multiple relationship paths with NPCs (romances or no). That's what DA2 did right, IMO. It doesn't have to be along the lines of 'friend/rival' though.

[TheMarshal]

jlb524 wrote...

I think what I prefer is multiple relationship paths with NPCs (romances or no). That's what DA2 did right, IMO. It doesn't have to be along the lines of 'friend/rival' though.

That'd be nice.  If only this were a proper RPG...

[PMC65]

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh, I don't necessarily think that Miranda is "evil" either. I adore Miranda because she's such a self-possessed and manipulative character. She might have a heart of gold—or she might not. And I like that. 

I hope that you don't think I was implying that you did.

I've just learned that if I don't make (it clear) that I don't hate/dislike a character, it goes down a path I didn't intend or expect. I really like multi-layered characters (both light & dark in them) and I see Miranda that way. I too wonder in which direction BW will take her.

[mopotter]

graciegrace wrote...

Siansonea II wrote...

makenzieshepard wrote...

ERJAK1 wrote...

So, Liara is pretty great huh? She and Femshep mesh SO well. If you told me Liara's voice actor and Jennifer Hale were together IRL I would not be surprised at all.(Ignores the tension)

They totally should be, so much chemistry. Yes I am pimping this Hale/Hillis at the VGA's video again, I just lurve it!

It's funny how little their natural speaking voices sound like their Mass Effect characters. Now I want to see a Mark Meer interview.

www.youtube.com/watch

You can hear MShep in there, but it's definitely not as prevelant.

Also Mark Meer is far more attractive than I thought he would be

Never saw Mark Meer before, all I can say is Wow.  very much Wow.

[Abispa]

I like concept of the rival romance, since my real life one is based on a lot of adversarial situations politically and socially, but I would like to see some of the kinks worked out. And I would like to see a point where a potential rival LI isn't willing to follow you anymore (though I know that would upset some players).

[Abispa]

Having gone to bed, then to work, and coming back to find about two dozen pages have gone by, I'm sad that I've missed my chance to chime on on some comments. Sorry I'm late but...

1) While ME3 is the last Shepard game, it is not going to be the last ME universe game. How LI are handled and accepted by ME fans will definitely influence future ME games, for good or ill.

2) I see a lot of Jack fans want her to be a SS option, but she is the one character who has stated emphatically that she isn't interest in women. Some fans have pointed out that she has had sex with women in the past, but she described it as a selfish couple "using" her for her abilities, probably while she was a minor. If she enjoyes homosexuality it would be perfectly fine, but saying she should be bisexual because she was taken advantage of as a teenager is, for me, troubling. Of all the characters fans want to see as an option, Jack is the only one I have issues with.

EDIT: Attempting to make my point clearer. Not sure if I succeeded.

Modifié par Abispa, 15 juin 2011 - 08:35 .

[Syledir]

Ryzaki wrote...

Syledir wrote...
I never said, BioWare couldn't have handled the Tali romance better. They sure took some liberties to explain Talis feelings. Nevertheless, that is what they did. Did her secret crush seem a little farfetched? Yes, it did. But impossible? No, it didn't. Tali managed to hide her feelings from Shepard. The fact that you didn't notice it, just tells you that she made a good job of it. Liara noticed it, but noone else? Normandy was full of soldiers and fighters with a kill everything that moves attitude. Liara was a scientist, sensitive and tactfull and a woman to boot. If anyone would notice it, why not Liara?

What bothered me more was that Liara was no s/s romance option.

I know what retcon is, but there is no proof for or against Talis secret crush during ME1. One could suspect, but thats it. Fact is the secret crush has been confirmed in ME2. Calling it a retcon doesn't make it one.

Nevertheless, there are other options than playing the secret crush card to establish a new romance. I have no problem with it, if Bioware avoids the I loved you all along trap from now on.

*stares* Play ME1 again talk to Liara and tell me she could honestly see a crush that no one else could. NOt ME2 Liara who practically got a personality transplant. ME1. 

Liara never mentioned it during ME1. But she had a crush herself during that time. Tali was no competition for her, since she decided to keep her crush hidden. You don't reveal a secret crush of somebody else to the one you fell in love with. Especially if you didn't succeed in seducing your one and only yet. 

Liara being a scientist means zip about noticing bodylanguage and the like actually it's a strike aganist her because she hasn't been around other living beings on a regular basis. 

Liara and Tali both have a crush on Shepard. It's not unlikely that Liara notices similarities between her and Talis behaviour and draws her conclusions.

Sensitive and tactful doesn't mean you're gonna notice someone crush while no one else does.

Not necessarily, but it certainly helps. Especially if every other squad member is less compassionate. Every other Squad member is prefers violent actions, is out for blood or has already killed. Liara is even the least likely to put a bullet in the head of Sarens corpse. Being less callous is no guarantee to notice hidden feelings of somebody else, but it helps.

Tali stayed around that Engineer dude alot you really don't think *he'd* (since he would *always* be there when Tali was interactin with Shepard) wouldn't noticea difference between the way she treated him and the way she treated Shepard? 

You don't think it is inappropriate to eavesdrop on your superior officer? And of course she would treat Shepard differently. They are not the same person, alas different personalities. Shepard is the superior officer on the Normandy and squad leader outside of it.

But somehow Liara (who probably didn't have as much contact) would? 

Why not? You don't know how much contact they had. Neither do I.

It is a retcon. Saying "well...you can't prove it wasn't there!" when...there's nothing to support it at all is weak. 

Your defintion of a retcon is: Basically someone says something happened and... there's evidence to prove it didn't happen.

You have no evidence. At best some kind of indication. So it can't be retcon. Saying "well... you can't prove it was there!" isn't just as weak, by the way?

[Ryzaki]

And everyone can notice Liara's crush but not Tali's though they're having similar body language?

*throws up hands*

Nevermind. Keep on twisting and bending that logic to make it work.  

I'm done. If the s/s romances have "hidden crushes" it'll probably be just as contrived as Tali's. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 15 juin 2011 - 08:59 .