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[Quething]

I have so little pity for people who complain about being hit on without their express written invitation, I cannot even begin to tell you. A ninjamance is a problem because the PC ends up doing something the player did not agree to. If an NPC does something the player did not agree to, that is called characterization.

Y'all don't want to get hit on by people who you really, really don't want to sleep with? Y'all don't want to experience that squidgy uncomfortable feeling of turning down someone you like, but just not like that? Y'all don't want to walk around people who should be your comrades and allies and suspect they're eyeing you up like a slab of meat?

Welcome to my whole Goddamn life. Except, you know, that it's a video game and will only happen once per person guaranteed, a maximum of maybe three times the whole game through, and will be completely 100% avoidable every time. I would really like to see statistics on how many women complain about the (nearly perfect, and I say this as a player who has wanted to smack the dude since Awakening) Anders flirt vs. how many men.

I'm with Abispa. People will complain about everything. And I'll be here to hand out tiny invisible violins when they do.

[Quething]

No, he *has* said that. I was confused at the time, myself. I think he means in a supervisorial role, he wouldn't have let that through?

[ElitePinecone]

Quething wrote...

No, he *has* said that. I was confused at the time, myself. I think he means in a supervisorial role, he wouldn't have let that through?

Yeah, he is the lead writer, I believe. 

I'll try and track down the quote, it was in the DA2 forums. 

Here's the quote:

The truth is that making a romance available for both genders is far less costly than creating an entirely new one. Does it create some issues of implementation? Sure-- but anything you try on this front is going to have its issues, and inevitably you'll always leave someone out in the cold. In this case, are all straight males left out in the cold? Not at all. There are romances available for them just the same as anyone else. Not all straight males require that their content be exclusive, after all, and you can see that even on this thread.

Would I do it again? I don't know. I doubt I would have Anders make the first move again-- at the time, I thought that requiring all romances to have Hawke initiate everything was the unrealistic part. Even if someone decides that this makes everyone "unrealistically" bisexual, however, or they can't handle the idea that the character [color=rgb(170, 170, 170)">might ]want [/color]to romance. That's why romances are optional content. It's such a personal issue that we'll never be able to please everyone. The very best we can do is give everyone a little bit of choice, and that's what we tried here.

http://social.biowar...75&lf=8#6665212

Modifié par ElitePinecone, 07 octobre 2011 - 07:05 .

[Indigo the Cat]

I just read that post by David Gaider. It's sad to think there are still die-hards out there who will throw verbal punches because minorities receive attention. But like he said, those who are used to privilege will be quick to defend their alleged "right" to that privilege when it is taken away, or in this case, they will be quick to defend their exclusivity to the privilege when they have to make adjustments to count for privilege being granted to others that are "different."

It's almost amusing to me that some people still harbor the illusion that only straight males play video-games. I hope BioWare continues to break barriers and keep its progressive attitude.

The primary argument is that the straight male community makes up most of the gaming community, and therefor, should receive the most attention. This is where it gets tricky. Just exactly how many straight romance options do you think the straight male community needs compared to the gay community, and how "protected" from gay advances does the straight community need to be?

Unfortunately, this topic that the poster made has more to do with the loaded real-world politics behind sexuality, rather than the actual game-mechanics. He got hit on by a male character, it offended him, so then he made it into the fault of the game's creators that he was offended.

[Ryzaki]

Eh I can't really talk because being hit on no matter the gender or sexuality annoys me. Even more so in video games.

Mostly because there's never a good harsh rejection.

[katerinafm]

Quething wrote...

I have so little pity for people who complain about being hit on without their express written invitation, I cannot even begin to tell you. A ninjamance is a problem because the PC ends up doing something the player did not agree to. If an NPC does something the player did not agree to, that is called characterization.

Y'all don't want to get hit on by people who you really, really don't want to sleep with? Y'all don't want to experience that squidgy uncomfortable feeling of turning down someone you like, but just not like that? Y'all don't want to walk around people who should be your comrades and allies and suspect they're eyeing you up like a slab of meat?

Welcome to my whole Goddamn life. Except, you know, that it's a video game and will only happen once per person guaranteed, a maximum of maybe three times the whole game through, and will be completely 100% avoidable every time. I would really like to see statistics on how many women complain about the (nearly perfect, and I say this as a player who has wanted to smack the dude since Awakening) Anders flirt vs. how many men.

I'm with Abispa. People will complain about everything. And I'll be here to hand out tiny invisible violins when they do.

You're absolutely right. But, as pretty much all supporters of s/s already know, trying to make the people against it see that is like trying to teach deaf people to hear. You can yell in their ears for hours but they still won't hear anything. (Was that offensive? I hope not. It was just an analogy >.<)

Modifié par katerinafm, 07 octobre 2011 - 09:09 .

[MageTarot]

katerinafm wrote...

You're absolutely right. But, as pretty much all supporters of s/s already know, trying to make the people against it see that is like trying to teach deaf people to hear. You can yell in their ears for hours but they still won't hear anything. (Was that offensive? I hope not. It was just an analogy >.<)

I usually use the "singing pig" analogy:

"Trying to make the people against it [s/s] see that is like trying to teach a pig to sing. It's a waste of your time and it annoys the pig." 

[ElitePinecone]

katerinafm wrote...

Quething wrote...
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Agree that people are overreacting, but I can understand Bioware's position. It's a lot easier to make all romances player-initiated than to suffer with the moaning. 

It has the side-effect of eliminating advances on players who want to avoid romantic content entirely, or (as we've seen) mSheps who want to avoid advances from women, or femSheps from men. Which is, ultimately, probably a good thing. 

In a perfect world I'd tell people complaining about a few lines of flirting from an NPC, that can be ignored, to STFU. But the fanbase being what it is, I'm not disappointed at all that there'll be no advances on the player. Frankly I'd rather not deal with the forum threads and ignorance that would come with it. 

[FoxHound109]

Quething wrote...

I have so little pity for people who complain about being hit on without their express written invitation, I cannot even begin to tell you. A ninjamance is a problem because the PC ends up doing something the player did not agree to. If an NPC does something the player did not agree to, that is called characterization.

Y'all don't want to get hit on by people who you really, really don't want to sleep with? Y'all don't want to experience that squidgy uncomfortable feeling of turning down someone you like, but just not like that? Y'all don't want to walk around people who should be your comrades and allies and suspect they're eyeing you up like a slab of meat?

Welcome to my whole Goddamn life. Except, you know, that it's a video game and will only happen once per person guaranteed, a maximum of maybe three times the whole game through, and will be completely 100% avoidable every time. I would really like to see statistics on how many women complain about the (nearly perfect, and I say this as a player who has wanted to smack the dude since Awakening) Anders flirt vs. how many men.

I'm with Abispa. People will complain about everything. And I'll be here to hand out tiny invisible violins when they do.

This is why you're one of my favorite posters in this forum. RIGHT ON! 

If I took offense for every girl that ever hit on me I'd be more sour than a Warhead. Seriously, this is the best example of how overpriviledged straight people are: "OH NOES! ONE GAY PERSON IS HITTINS ON ME! THINK OF THE CHILDREN!" Meanwhile we have to rebuff people left and right and have been doing it for years. 

[Azbeszt]

Edit: Post removed.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 07 octobre 2011 - 04:18 .

[Xilizhra]

Edit: If someone says somethign offensive, why would you quote them? 

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 07 octobre 2011 - 04:19 .

[jlb524]

Indigo the Cat wrote...
The primary argument is that the straight male community makes up most of the gaming community, and therefor, should receive the most attention. This is where it gets tricky. Just exactly how many straight romance options do you think the straight male community needs compared to the gay community, and how "protected" from gay advances does the straight community need to be?

This is interesting to me considering the romances for straight women.

As I've mentioned before, BW used to provide more female options for straight men than they did male options for straight women.  In recent games, these options have been equal in spite of those that want to romance men being in the minority.

I suppose giving this minority group equal options to 'the straight male gamer' is okay b/c it doesn't impose on the 'straight males' game as most of them probably don't even play as a female anyway.   Though, I guess they don't realize that male romances for females takes away resources from them....derp.

[shepskisaac]

Xilizhra wrote...

Nothing, you've said enough.

Not worth even responding. Just hit the report button like I did and let's go back to drolling all over Kaidan, Vega & Jacob

[Azbeszt]

IsaacShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Nothing, you've said enough.

Not worth even responding. Just hit the report button like I did and let's go back to drolling all over Kaidan, Vega & Jacob

Report for what, if I may ask?

[Xilizhra]

Azbeszt wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Nothing, you've said enough.

Not worth even responding. Just hit the report button like I did and let's go back to drolling all over Kaidan, Vega & Jacob

Report for what, if I may ask?

From board intro topic...

Mass Effect 3 also has same sex relationships. If you do not enjoy or approve of same sex relationships, please stay out of discussion on these topics.

Shoo.

[Azbeszt]

Xilizhra wrote...

Azbeszt wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Xilizhra wrote...

Nothing, you've said enough.

Not worth even responding. Just hit the report button like I did and let's go back to drolling all over Kaidan, Vega & Jacob

Report for what, if I may ask?

From board intro topic...

Mass Effect 3 also has same sex relationships. If you do not enjoy or approve of same sex relationships, please stay out of discussion on these topics.

Shoo.

Oh, my apologies then.

[katerinafm]

I think the pig analogy MageTarot said earlier fits here >.>. I've heard it all today. Aaaanyway.


Again, for a game with such a passionate fanbase from both sides (pro s/s and not), it's the safer route to have romances initiated by the player. If only to avoid the extra headache we'd get from people whining about a possible flirting line that could possibly hurt the player's delicate feelings (perhaps I'm being too harsh, but to me if you felt comfortable of your sexuality, you wouldn't care at all if a member of the same sex showed an interest. But I'm overanalysing again...).

If the fanbase wasn't so...immature regarding certain parts of the game, then I would be all for adding more and more realism to a game like Mass Effect, meaning that members of the same sex (if it fit their personality) could make advances on you, and if you didn't like it you'd just have to deal with it. Personally, I'm getting sick of having to justify it to what appears to be a certain group of people over and over again because it's pointless.


But hey, let's just  be happy we have made 'progress' and try to ignore the possible downsides as best we can. Fits for my birthday

Modifié par katerinafm, 07 octobre 2011 - 03:10 .

[ScotGaymer]

Edit: Post removed. You can report someone without needing to resort to insults.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 07 octobre 2011 - 04:20 .

[Azbeszt]

Edit: Post removed.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 07 octobre 2011 - 04:20 .

[Athayniel]

don't feed the troll

[ScotGaymer]

Edit: Post removed. 

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 07 octobre 2011 - 04:20 .

[lazuli]

What sort of romance culmination scenes do you guys/gals expect in ME3? I'm not anticipating much beyond a fade to black, what with all of the possible romances available at this point in the series. If it's unbalanced and certain characters receive a more prolonged or elaborate scene, I suppose we can expect all kinds of fan-rage.

[Azbeszt]

Edit: Post removed.

Modifié par Chris Priestly, 07 octobre 2011 - 04:21 .

[Athayniel]

lazuli wrote...

What sort of romance culmination scenes do you guys/gals expect in ME3? I'm not anticipating much beyond a fade to black, what with all of the possible romances available at this point in the series. If it's unbalanced and certain characters receive a more prolonged or elaborate scene, I suppose we can expect all kinds of fan-rage.

Well, DA:O had the epilogue screens and I wasn't that pleased with them. They're certainly the easiest thing to do. Something like the kissing scene in Jade Empire might be nice, right after the final reaper is destroyed with the sun setting behind its smoldering corpse. =P