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Like who Miranda and the VS? Next!
So you don't like those characters?
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#11076
Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:13
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So you don't like those characters?
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#11077
Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:18
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Well, Miranda is okay but she's not my favorite and I kinda stopped liking the VS after Horizon.
Edit*Miranda is pretty much their to provide the sex appeal to help market the game. You know, all the gratuitious camera angles and stuff and the catsuit and T&A. If Miranda simply wore the Cerberus officer Uniform and her DLC combat armor, I believe that she wouldn't be as popular.
Edit*Miranda is pretty much their to provide the sex appeal to help market the game. You know, all the gratuitious camera angles and stuff and the catsuit and T&A. If Miranda simply wore the Cerberus officer Uniform and her DLC combat armor, I believe that she wouldn't be as popular.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:22
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If the BSN polls about which characters people like the most and dislike the most are anything to go by, then Miranda isnt as popular as you seem to believe Ravensword.
Jacob is the least liked and most disliked. Miranda isnt much above him.
I would say that the fact that she is blatant fan service is a detriment to her not a positive.
Jacob is the least liked and most disliked. Miranda isnt much above him.
I would say that the fact that she is blatant fan service is a detriment to her not a positive.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:26
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That means she has a lot of room for improvement. ME3 is a perfect opportunity then to redeem those bad aspects of her characterization.Ravensword wrote...
Well, Miranda is okay but she's not my favorite and I kinda stopped liking the VS after Horizon.
Edit*Miranda is pretty much their to provide the sex appeal to help market the game. You know, all the gratuitious camera angles and stuff and the catsuit and T&A. If Miranda simply wore the Cerberus officer Uniform and her DLC combat armor, I believe that she wouldn't be as popular.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:26
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FitScotGaymer wrote...
If the BSN polls about which characters people like the most and dislike the most are anything to go by, then Miranda isnt as popular as you seem to believe Ravensword.
Jacob is the least liked and most disliked. Miranda isnt much above him.
I would say that the fact that she is blatant fan service is a detriment to her not a positive.
Yeah could we please not descend into reductive bashing of characters in what is supposed to be a thread with overwhelmingly positive intentions?
Whether or not some prefer certain characters to others is irrelevant. We have a common goal here, and I'd hate to see that fact muddled in that particular debate.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:30
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FitScotGaymer wrote...
If the BSN polls about which characters people like the most and dislike the most are anything to go by, then Miranda isnt as popular as you seem to believe Ravensword.
Jacob is the least liked and most disliked. Miranda isnt much above him.
I would say that the fact that she is blatant fan service is a detriment to her not a positive.
Ah, I forgot about Jacob. It kind of bugs me that he gets a bad rap. He just had the misfortune of being a human male. I mean the writers did botch his romance dialogue but then we wouldn't have the priiize.
As for Miranda, if it's true what you say, then Miranda would be even less popular w/o certain prominent features of her body. It does seem that she's popular because of the number of posts in her thread, and she seems to be popular amongst lesbian and bisexual women, fanservice or not.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:31
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Uh yeh speaking the truth isnt bashing mate.
Even the devs admitted that Miranda was there to add sex appeal to the game; to titillate the fans. hence the fan service comment.
Not bashing.
And you appear to have completely missed the point.
Ravensword asserted that Miranda wouldnt be as "popular" with the fandom if she was treated as a normal character who happened to be sexy instead of as a sexy character. I disagreed by saying that if we go by the "popularity" polls on the BSN then Miranda doesnt appear to be all that popular with the fans so his assertion doesnt really work.
So it is completely relevant to what he said.
Though perhaps off topic for the thread.
Even the devs admitted that Miranda was there to add sex appeal to the game; to titillate the fans. hence the fan service comment.
Not bashing.
And you appear to have completely missed the point.
Ravensword asserted that Miranda wouldnt be as "popular" with the fandom if she was treated as a normal character who happened to be sexy instead of as a sexy character. I disagreed by saying that if we go by the "popularity" polls on the BSN then Miranda doesnt appear to be all that popular with the fans so his assertion doesnt really work.
So it is completely relevant to what he said.
Though perhaps off topic for the thread.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:33
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One person's 'fan service' is another's 'confident, sexually assured woman'. Let's avoid reductions where we can, yes?
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:35
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The Uncanny wrote...
One person's 'fan service' is another's 'confident, sexually assured woman'. Let's avoid reductions where we can, yes?
If you say so.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:35
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@Ravensword.
I agree. I found Jacob to be a good character, one of the few Bioware characters that didnt have severe mental issues.
He was also more of a First Officer to Commander Shepard than Miranda was; at least to me he was.
@Uncanny.
I dont think that fanservice means what you think it means.
A confident, sexually assured woman (which Miranda is) doesnt exclude her being a fanservice character. lol.
I agree. I found Jacob to be a good character, one of the few Bioware characters that didnt have severe mental issues.
He was also more of a First Officer to Commander Shepard than Miranda was; at least to me he was.
@Uncanny.
I dont think that fanservice means what you think it means.
A confident, sexually assured woman (which Miranda is) doesnt exclude her being a fanservice character. lol.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:38
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Ravensword wrote...
If you say so.
Just a suggestion. I always think the thread runs smoother and is a more pleasant place to be when we're not sitting in judgment on one another's preferences.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:38
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FitScotGaymer wrote...
@Ravensword.
I agree. I found Jacob to be a good character, one of the few Bioware characters that didnt have severe mental issues.
He was also more of a First Officer to Commander Shepard than Miranda was; at least to me he was.
@Uncanny.
I dont think that fanservice means what you think it means.
A confident, sexually assured woman (which Miranda is) doesnt exclude her being a fanservice character. lol.
I agree.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:43
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What the developers have stated (although frankly I have only heard Casey Hudson's account of her alleged purpose) is a matter of little significance, seeing as I prefer to trust the tale, not the teller.
And while I would concede that Miranda is played for titillation in several scenes, to claim it is the be all and the end all of her role is decidedly unfair.
She is the most sexually self-assured of the characters in Mass Effect 2. So what? Simply because the camera seems to have a subjective slant doesn't mean we should have.
And frankly, at the end of the day, I defy anyone to name one character in Mass Effect who couldn't legitimately be referred to as 'fan service' by means of some kind of rationale.
And while I would concede that Miranda is played for titillation in several scenes, to claim it is the be all and the end all of her role is decidedly unfair.
She is the most sexually self-assured of the characters in Mass Effect 2. So what? Simply because the camera seems to have a subjective slant doesn't mean we should have.
And frankly, at the end of the day, I defy anyone to name one character in Mass Effect who couldn't legitimately be referred to as 'fan service' by means of some kind of rationale.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 12:43
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FitScotGaymer wrote...
A confident, sexually assured woman (which Miranda is) doesnt exclude her being a fanservice character. lol.
Oh good grief...
The meaning of the term doesn't detract from it's negative connotations. I'm aware of how Miranda was conceived. But that doesn't alter how she's perceived.
Calling a character 'fan service' is automatically reductive. If you broaden the term sufficiently every LI in the game is 'fan service'... <_<
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:00
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I feel we need some positive vibes in here.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:08
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Errr...the whole game is fan service....The Uncanny wrote...
FitScotGaymer wrote...
A confident, sexually assured woman (which Miranda is) doesnt exclude her being a fanservice character. lol.
Oh good grief...
The meaning of the term doesn't detract from it's negative connotations. I'm aware of how Miranda was conceived. But that doesn't alter how she's perceived.
Calling a character 'fan service' is automatically reductive. If you broaden the term sufficiently every LI in the game is 'fan service'... <_<
#11092
Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:10
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Funny. I'm a long time advocate of Miranda partly because of some of the "fanservice" elements. Think about it. You have this character who's marketing poster girl, held out as the epitome of sex appeal, the "perfect woman." And she isn't straight. Not only that, she's human, so they're going to have a heck of a time denying her orientation. Will there be some who just go "hurr hurr, hawt lesbianz" Yes. But they do that now.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:23
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I think Miranda has huge potential for growth. She joined Cerberus to get away from her predatory father's radar and she thrived immensely there, to the point of being second in command of the whole organization when we first met her. But at this point she's kind of stuck there. She's beginning to have doubts about her role (that dialogue about how she fits in the world) and even about herself (Shep undermines that self-loathing "all good I do is because of my genes, all bad is because of me" crap). Her resignation if you destroy the CB is the last nail on her former schtick.
I'm looking forward to see her again. Split Miranda (ruthless, ultra-competent outer Miranda; insecure, self-loathing inner Miranda) is already becoming whole Miranda by the time we reach the CB. She wanted to find where she fit in the world; we could be with her while she learns she's one of the few people who can shape the world before them.
I'm looking forward to see her again. Split Miranda (ruthless, ultra-competent outer Miranda; insecure, self-loathing inner Miranda) is already becoming whole Miranda by the time we reach the CB. She wanted to find where she fit in the world; we could be with her while she learns she's one of the few people who can shape the world before them.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:24
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I admit, if asari were able to break out of their presented fanservice role, there's no reason that Miranda shouldn't be able to. And if what I hope is true does come true and there's no new human female squadmate, Miranda might be the best choice if they can only have two people of each sex be bi.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:31
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Nyoka wrote...
I'm looking forward to see her again. Split Miranda (ruthless, ultra-competent outer Miranda; insecure, self-loathing inner Miranda) is already becoming whole Miranda by the time we reach the CB. She wanted to find where she fit in the world; we could be with her while she learns she's one of the few people who can shape the world before them.
It's interesting how you define her inner and outer selves. I believe it says a lot about her how they bleed together: her insecurity sometimes manifests itself externally, her ruthless streak is, I think, very much a part of who she is.
The one thing I'd hate to see is Miranda 'made safe'. Taking away her pragmatic and ruthless traits would be to fatally undermine her.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:43
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Ravensword wrote...
Like who Miranda and the VS? Next!
Many would add Kasumi, Kelly and Jack to that. Some would fall all over Dr. Chakwas. *pointedly doesn't look at IsaacShep* Then there's always Emily Wong and other more minor characters from the previous games such as Lizbeth Baynham. Some very strange people suggest Khalisah al-Jilani, many of whom renegaded their previous interactions. She already has the benefit of having a canon interest in asari.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:55
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Dr Chloe Michel! *swoons*
By that you mean Dr. Chloe Michel's accent.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 01:57
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Athayniel wrote...
The Uncanny wrote...
Dr Chloe Michel! *swoons*
By that you mean Dr. Chloe Michel's accent.
That certainly plays a part.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 02:00
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Ah? What else did you like about her?The Uncanny wrote...
Athayniel wrote...
The Uncanny wrote...
Dr Chloe Michel! *swoons*
By that you mean Dr. Chloe Michel's accent.
That certainly plays a part.
