It's interesting that the s/s fanbase for Miranda is so strong; she seems to be the most desired one behind Liara herself. I know that fans of it exist among Ashley/Jack/Tali, but they're either far quieter or far smaller.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 06:21
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It's interesting that the s/s fanbase for Miranda is so strong; she seems to be the most desired one behind Liara herself. I know that fans of it exist among Ashley/Jack/Tali, but they're either far quieter or far smaller.
I'm just gobby.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 06:24
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Not really, when it comes to female s/s, fanbases seem to be basically equal. Compared to boys, it looks like girls just can't decideXilizhra wrote...
It's interesting that the s/s fanbase for Miranda is so strong; she seems to be the most desired one behind Liara herself. I know that fans of it exist among Ashley/Jack/Tali, but they're either far quieter or far smaller.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 06:25
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MIRANDA! 
I actually didn't want to buy Mass Effect 2 because I thought it was completely unfair that Mshep gets her while femshep gets
I actually didn't want to buy Mass Effect 2 because I thought it was completely unfair that Mshep gets her while femshep gets
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 06:29
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All of the above is a valid choice
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 06:31
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Not really, when it comes to female s/s, fanbases seem to be basically equal. Compared to boys, it looks like girls just can't decideXilizhra wrote...
It's interesting that the s/s fanbase for Miranda is so strong; she seems to be the most desired one behind Liara herself. I know that fans of it exist among Ashley/Jack/Tali, but they're either far quieter or far smaller.
Biased poll is biased. FINE! I'll just keep Vega ALL to myself then!
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 06:50
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IsaacShep wrote...
Not really, when it comes to female s/s, fanbases seem to be basically equal. Compared to boys, it looks like girls just can't decideXilizhra wrote...
It's interesting that the s/s fanbase for Miranda is so strong; she seems to be the most desired one behind Liara herself. I know that fans of it exist among Ashley/Jack/Tali, but they're either far quieter or far smaller.
I take those polls with a grain of salt b/c you aren't sure what is the intent of all the voters. I fear some voters are players that have no intent on pursuing an s/s romance but vote for their least favorite LIs b/c they don't like the idea of their fave ones being tainted with 'teh gayz'.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:13
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How so? Miranda is IMO the least confident (and arguably the least sexually assured) among all the female Human squadmates. And that's without including FemShep, who is so dominant that everyone just fades into dust in front of her.FitScotGaymer wrote...
A confident, sexually assured woman (which Miranda is)
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:22
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How so? Miranda is IMO the least confident (and arguably the least sexually assured) among all the female Human squadmates. And that's without including FemShep, who is so dominant that everyone just fades into dust in front of her.
She has a colossal amount of professional confidence. She is sure of her abilities and intellect. She has self-esteem issues which cause her to be unable to properly take credit for her accomplishments. Her sexual assurance seems pretty well developed considering how she takes charge in the engine room.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:39
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ImpossibleThe Uncanny wrote...
Or, to flip that on it's head, guys just aren't very imaginative.
The poll was about old characters, Vega is newFoxHound109 wrote...
Biased poll is biased. FINE! I'll just keep Vega ALL to myself then!
And don't worry, one of my Sheps is already ready to wrap himself around with those Vega arms 
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:41
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And you don't feel self-contradictory saying that? I used to think she's quite confident too. But self-knowledge does not imply confidence, even if you are perfect.Athayniel wrote...
She has a colossal amount of professional confidence. She is sure of her abilities and intellect. She has self-esteem issues which cause her to be unable to properly take credit for her accomplishments.
Just compare her to Jack. Jack's abilities were forced upon her as well, and yet she always believed that her abilities are what made her unique, let her survive, and reveled in that destructive power.
Or Kasumi. Who is a technical genius of a level comparable to Legion and Tali. She does not care about credit, fame, or any feedback whatever. She just loves what she does.
Or Ashley. Who does not have any outstanding innate talent like the other three, but nonetheless possess an indomitable resolve to prove herself. For Ashley people are by default biased against her due to her heritage, so she has learned to brush aside any negative feedback and focus on the work at hand.
That is self-knowledge as well. She is well aware of the fact that her physical assets are irresistable to most men, that is all. She is less capable of forming attachment than Jack, Ashley, and (presumably) Kasumi. Just read her SB Dossier.Her sexual assurance seems pretty well developed considering how she takes charge in the engine room.
I've always felt that her romance with Shepard was little more than welcoming distraction/stress relief, unlike any of the other romance options. Her interest in Shepard is also largely professional, due to her role in the Lazarus Project. It all felt like work.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:47
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No. There's no contradiction between knowing you are very good at what you do and feeling unworthy because you don't feel you've earned the abilities. Especially in the environment she would have grown up in.iOnlySignIn wrote...
And you don't feel self-contradictory saying that? I used to think she's quite confident too. But self-knowledge does not imply confidence, even if you are perfect.
Which has nothing to do with sexual assurance which is what was mentioned.That is self-knowledge as well. She is well aware of the fact that her physical assets are irresistable to most men, that is all. She is less capable of forming attachment than Jack, Ashley, and (presumably) Kasumi. Just read her SB Dossier. To her sex is a welcoming distraction. Little more.Her sexual assurance seems pretty well developed considering how she takes charge in the engine room.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:48
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She is less capable of forming attachment than Jack, Ashley, and (presumably) Kasumi.
Actually, it seems that Miranda is perfectly comfortable with both emotional attachment and sex. She's no longer together with Jacob, but still feels strongly enough about him that she is willing to break Cerberus regulations to keep a promise to him. And her relationship with Shepard involves both an emotional and physical component (this varies somewhat depending on dialogue options).
What exactly is going on in the SB dossier is unclear, but it seems that, for whatever reason, she was simply not interested in a personal relationship in that particular case. Which is her perrogative.
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I am not saying that the two are incompatible. I'm merely saying that they are different. And feeling unworthy despite knowing that you're good is an extreme case of lack of confidence. Whereas feeling unworthy while knowing you're bad may simply be common sense.Athayniel wrote...
No. There's no contradiction between knowing you are very good at what you do and feeling unworthy because you don't feel you've earned the abilities. Especially in the environment she would have grown up in.iOnlySignIn wrote...
And you don't feel self-contradictory saying that? I used to think she's quite confident too. But self-knowledge does not imply confidence, even if you are perfect.
It seems we define "sexual assurance" differently. I'll drop it.Which has nothing to do with sexual assurance which is what was mentioned.That is self-knowledge as well. She is well aware of the fact that her physical assets are irresistable to most men, that is all. She is less capable of forming attachment than Jack, Ashley, and (presumably) Kasumi. Just read her SB Dossier. To her sex is a welcoming distraction. Little more.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:54
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No, she has low self-esteem. Self-esteem and confidence are separate things.iOnlySignIn wrote...
I am not saying that the two are incompatible. I'm merely saying that they are different. And feeling unworthy despite knowing that you're good is an extreme case of lack of confidence. Whereas feeling unworthy while knowing you're bad may simply be common sense.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:55
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No, according to the dialogue in her LM. Especially if you pick the Renegade options.flemm wrote...
Actually, it seems that Miranda is perfectly comfortable with both emotional attachment and sex.
To you, it seems. To me it all seems like a natural extension of her work on the Lazarus Project.And her relationship with Shepard involves both an emotional and physical component (this varies somewhat depending on dialogue options).
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:56
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No, according to the dialogue in her LM. Especially if you pick the Renegade options.
To what dialogue are you referring?
Overall the LM is all about her attachment to her sister.
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OK. You have a good point. I'll never be certain which one of the two Miranda lacks though.Athayniel wrote...
No, she has low self-esteem. Self-esteem and confidence are separate things.iOnlySignIn wrote...
I am not saying that the two are incompatible. I'm merely saying that they are different. And feeling unworthy despite knowing that you're good is an extreme case of lack of confidence. Whereas feeling unworthy while knowing you're bad may simply be common sense.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 07:59
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Who is unique in this, as Miranda is not attached to anyone else (except Shepard, depending on your interpretation). If you do not encourage her to speak with her sister, than even Orianna is more of an abstract validation of her rebellion against her father rather than a concrete target of attachment.flemm wrote...
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No, according to the dialogue in her LM. Especially if you pick the Renegade options.
To what dialogue are you referring?
Overall the LM is all about her attachment to her sister.
Edit: We should probably move to the Miranda thread. I started this because I *don't* want Miranda as an s/s LI. In fact I prefer her not to be an LI at all, although I like her character and greatly enjoy being her colleague.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 08:07
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Who is unique in this, as Miranda is not attached to anyone else (except Shepard, depending on your interpretation). If you do not encourage her to speak with her sister, than even Orianna is more of an abstract validation of her rebellion against her father rather than a concrete target of attachment.
Well, even if we discount both Shepard and Oriana, which I see no reason to do overall, there's still the Jacob example. Which is as concrete as can be. The sexual aspect of their relationship is long over, but the sense of loyalty and emotional attachment remain.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 08:09
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OK. You have a good point. I'll never be certain which one of the two Miranda lacks though.
High opinion of her abilities == confidence. Low opinion of her worth == self-esteem issues. It is definitely something Shep starts to help her get past by the end of the game. I think a lot of people would see her confidence and icy demeanour and consider her arrogant and full of herself when the truth is quite the opposite. Shepard, who also has high ability scores at least physically, technically and in terms of leadership, can see past their own prejudices and asks the right questions. And more importantly takes away the right things from Miranda's answers.
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Posté 13 octobre 2011 - 08:46
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I think the surveys about female s/s LIs is skewed for many reasons, one of which are the male players who enjoy role-playing lesbians (and I know a few personally).
There are a lot of males who play as female characters for a variety of reasons, the saddest of which is the "if I'm going to be looking at a character's ass all day I want it to be a female." I sense a lot of these "female" Shepard lean toward Miranda 'cause she's the most overtly HAWT female character, and was even marketed as such by Bioware. Not to mention that the game designers feel the need to zoom in on her wonderfully rendered 3D ass as many times and for as long as possible.
But that's fine with me so long as those males who like playing females looking for HAWT lesbians aren't hypocrites who demand that the male characters "remain straight."
There are a lot of males who play as female characters for a variety of reasons, the saddest of which is the "if I'm going to be looking at a character's ass all day I want it to be a female." I sense a lot of these "female" Shepard lean toward Miranda 'cause she's the most overtly HAWT female character, and was even marketed as such by Bioware. Not to mention that the game designers feel the need to zoom in on her wonderfully rendered 3D ass as many times and for as long as possible.
But that's fine with me so long as those males who like playing females looking for HAWT lesbians aren't hypocrites who demand that the male characters "remain straight."
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 12:18
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But that's fine with me so long as those males who like playing females looking for HAWT lesbians aren't hypocrites who demand that the male characters "remain straight."
It comes up fairly often, unfortunately.
Some people honestly see nothing contradictory in salivating over f/f romances while making plain their opposition - to the point of posting on a forum - about male ones, I'm assuming it's just self-interest, they want boobies (and heaven forbid there's an actual loving f/f romance with depth) and everyone else is irrelevant.
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Posté 14 octobre 2011 - 12:26
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I'm less interested in m/m but that's because either I'm not interested in them when they're het or the character in question pings me as straight. For f/f, it's simple. I prefer FShep and my favorite characters are women. I hate having to choose between playing my preferred gender and romancing who I please.But I don't feel the same urgency for m/m because I'm not that fond of my options in the first place, can already romance them with my preferred gender, and/or really don't see this character as gay.
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