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[jlb524]

But asari don't count, right?

You still have the Nef mess and Jack who apparently only sleeps with women for the lulz or to please men (in a threesome).

I don't think either are good as far as non-PC related s/s content goes but at least DA gives the gay or lesbian PC options and even choice in DA2.

[Abispa]

It would make sense that the Elves in DA would want all their fertile females to have children, just as (bringing this back to ME) the Quarians would. I'm not sure how much time will be devoted to this in ME3 since the galaxy is at war, but I wonder if Tali (s/s or o/s) will bring up with Shepard that she should/wants-to bear a Quarian child with the aide of a male Quarian friend or artificial insemination.

I could see a similar situation happening with Merrill. Even though she and male Hawke could have children, it would be an elf-blooded human, not even a D&D style half-elf. I don't see male Shepard being able to impregnate Tali at all, which is why the "Tali can't be s/s because then she can't have children" argument makes no sense to me when given by male Tali fans who are romancing her.

[Quething]

Well, remember that Tali said in the first game that the Fleet actually has laws against multiple childbirths. Currently, overpopulation is the greater threat to the quarians.

On the other hand, given how dangerous sex is to them, recreational pleasure would probably be discouraged generally, whether het or ****** (it's just that homosexual sex is always recreational). On the gripping hand yet again, though, that's what stimpro plus is for; quarians seem pretty good at safe sex.

I still think Jack did the threesome to please the girl she was with. She doesn't even say the guy's name, that whole conversation is from the perspective of her friendship with the woman of the two. (But, yeah, Nef. Again, DA's ahead on the whole. It just still has a ways to go itself as well.)

Modifié par Quething, 19 octobre 2011 - 01:37 .

[jlb524]

Yeah, that argument is the pits.

It also fails to see that romantic love/sex can be separated from "duty to procreate" (and often is).

Ultimately, there should be nothing wrong Tali choosing to enter into a romantic relationship with someone she cannot make quarian babies with (any human) as long as she will have one when needed. Afterwards, she goes back to her life with Shepard.

By 'Afterwards' I guess I mean 'have sex with a quarian male until she gets pregnant' or artificial insemination. 

Modifié par jlb524, 19 octobre 2011 - 01:49 .

[Ravensword]

jlb524 wrote...

Yeah, that argument is the pits.

It also fails to see that romantic love/sex can be separated from "duty to procreate" (and often is).

Ultimately, there should be nothing wrong Tali choosing to enter into a romantic relationship with someone she cannot make quarian babies with (any human) as long as she will have one when needed. Afterwards, she goes back to her life with Shepard.

By 'Afterwards' I guess I mean 'have sex with a quarian male until she gets pregnant' or artificial insemination. 

They can just extract some of her oocytes instead of her having to have sex w/ a Quarian male.

[Quething]

Well, yes. Culture often does fail to separate romantic love/sex from procreation. Quarian social pressures aren't required to cleave to logic any more than ours do.

I'm going to admit right here that I ship Tali/Kal'Reegar like a Mediterranean cruise, so I'd be very down with Kal'Reegar tube babies.

[Abispa]

I found the worship of male Shepard by Tali to be incredibly creepy if he goes along with it, and I like the mother/daughter relationship my female Shepard has with her (considering how much Tali and Liara appear to be "nice," I was surprised how well my renegade Shepard got along with them). It's always more fun to take the red options during the trial.

Given an option, I'll probably steer her toward Reegar for romance and baby-making. I do, however, support the players being given a choice to romance her as a male or female.

[Chun Hei]

I see Abispa is still crying over the lack of ME3 Krogan love. Sad.

I really do not think ME3 will devote any time to whether or not romanced Tali will have her "required" one baby for the fleet. I just hope we do not get any stupid hybrid babies with her and Shepard.

I followed Abispa and IsaacShepard and I was very disappointed to see just how closed minded the Talimancers in the official thread are. It makes me want a s/s Tali out of spite now. I will make a lesbian Shepard who will grease up a Turian claw-hammer vibrator with that magic Mordin sex gel then make Tali give a pleasure squeal that will shatter all the glass on the Normandy from her face mask to the cockpit.

The Garrus "bro" fans are just as close-minded but I was going to make Garrus "respect" one of my gay Shepards already anyway.

[Chun Hei]

I think KalReegar is cool though. Maybe ME3 will allow me to find out how cool he really is. Too hell with fixing him up with Tali.

[AngelicMachinery]

Chun Hei wrote...

I see Abispa is still crying over the lack of ME3 Krogan love. Sad.

I really do not think ME3 will devote any time to whether or not romanced Tali will have her "required" one baby for the fleet. I just hope we do not get any stupid hybrid babies with her and Shepard.

Hybrids make science cry.

[Quething]

Science has no tears left at this point in the MEverse, really.

Not that I support hybrid babies, mind. I'm just saying.

(And yeah, I'd s/s Tali out of spite at this point too. I probably shouldn't admit that out loud.)

[Ravensword]

Chun Hei wrote...

[...]

I followed Abispa and IsaacShepard and I was very disappointed to see just how closed minded the Talimancers in the official thread are. It makes me want a s/s Tali out of spite now. I will make a lesbian Shepard who will grease up a Turian claw-hammer vibrator with that magic Mordin sex gel then make Tali give a pleasure squeal that will shatter all the glass on the Normandy from her face mask to the cockpit.

[...]

Color me intrigued. I like where you're coming from. Yes, the Talimancers may not have much of a say when it comes to s/s romances in ME3. I think they're safe in their belief that Tali won't be made an s/s romance. If you try to bring up a discussion about an s/s Talimance they'll start to lose their s*** either b/c plain good ol' fashioned homophobia or simply b/c they perceive this to be a major change to their precious little character. Maybe both. I bet you could start a pro-s/s Talimance by recruiting people who don't like Tali. Just say to them, "Hey, do you really wanna ****** off the Talimancers? Support an s/s talimance and it'll make them go ape****."

Modifié par Ravensword, 19 octobre 2011 - 03:30 .

[Chun Hei]

I am for all Talimancers being given a chance to romance Tali the way they want. "Manly" Talimancers (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha), o/s Talimancers and s/s Talimancers. I am not a Miranda fan but I find her fans to be pleasantly open-minded in their thread.

[AngelicMachinery]

Quething wrote...

(And yeah, I'd s/s Tali out of spite at this point too. I probably shouldn't admit that out loud.)

Yea,  I'm at the same point myself.  Even though it would be just as creepy as the one in ME2.

[Preie]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Hybrids make science cry.

I feel like I need to give you 15 internets

Heck, I know it is a fantasy world, but isn't it remarkable that different species come together without dying from being exposed to a new "bug." Ok forgive the air barrier... but direct contact now! And even if anatomically similar would it be compatible. And there is reasons we don't see Mandogs or Dogmans lol. Science is crying in its room

[Ravensword]

Quething wrote...

Science has no tears left at this point in the MEverse, really.

Not that I support hybrid babies, mind. I'm just saying.

(And yeah, I'd s/s Tali out of spite at this point too. I probably shouldn't admit that out loud.)

Preie wrote...

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Hybrids make science cry.

I feel like I need to give you 15 internets [smilie]../../../images/forum/emoticons/grin.png[/smilie]

Heck,
I know it is a fantasy world, but isn't it remarkable that different
species come together without dying from being exposed to a new "bug."
Ok forgive the air barrier... but direct contact now! And even if
anatomically similar would it be compatible. And there is reasons we
don't see Mandogs or Dogmans lol. Science is crying in its room

I support genetically engineered hybrid crazy babies.

Modifié par Ravensword, 19 octobre 2011 - 03:39 .

[Preie]

I bet you these "hybrids" are the birth of Reapers... which then take the name Xele'naga and next create the zerg and the... Lol. Yep a nerd am I 8)

[Ravensword]

Chun Hei wrote...

I am for all Talimancers being given a chance to romance Tali the way they want. "Manly" Talimancers (ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha), o/s Talimancers and s/s Talimancers. I am not a Miranda fan but I find her fans to be pleasantly open-minded in their thread.

Thank you! Why the hell can't those imbeciles get that?

[Quething]

Well, a long time ago in the DA forums I saw a post by somebody talking about how the Fenris thread tends to be a bit like Fenris, and the Anders thread a bit like Anders. Neither thread is my particular stomping ground, but I find it holds true for those that are; the Isabela thread tends to be laid-back and sex-positive and shrug off trolls, and most of them like Merrill; the Merrill thread is very pro-Dalish history and doesn't get off-topic much and is quite sure Merrill knows exactly what she's doing with Audacity; the Varric thread is quiet, upbeat and talks a lot about the mechanics of storytelling.

If that's a reliable pattern, well. Miranda is an open-minded character (hilariously, given her Cerberus allegiance), who has a lot of respect for alien cultures and is willing to consider new ideas. Tali is a fairly close-minded character, who has a lot of trouble getting past her perceptions of the geth and the Migrant Fleet.

(Disclaimer: I'm not saying all Tali fans are close-minded, or particularly like Tali in any way, for that matter, or that Tali is a bad character. I like Tali. I could say the same about the Ash thread, and y'all know I'm an Ash girl to my toes.)

Modifié par Quething, 19 octobre 2011 - 04:12 .

[Siansonea]

Now now, let's not go besmirching the good name of any character's fans in here. If they be fools, they are more than capable of naming themselves thusly, we needn't do so.

[Quething]

Sorry mom

[Ravensword]

But they are wrong... on the Internet.

[Athayniel]

Ravensword wrote...

But they are wrong... on the Internet.

Here, Ravensword, you dropped this.

[ElitePinecone]

Abispa wrote...

It would make sense that the Elves in DA would want all their fertile females to have children, just as (bringing this back to ME) the Quarians would. I'm not sure how much time will be devoted to this in ME3 since the galaxy is at war, but I wonder if Tali (s/s or o/s) will bring up with Shepard that she should/wants-to bear a Quarian child with the aide of a male Quarian friend or artificial insemination.

Yeah, as Quething said the problem for quarians isn't a lack of children but the risk of overpopulation - they have scarce resources and uncontrolled expansion would lead to huge problems. Tali's 'walking encyclopedia" mode in ME spits out the fact that the Conclave and Admiralty Board can tighten or relax controls on population depending on the needs of the Flotilla, 

Even if there were a dire need for quarians to raise their birth rate, one individual wouldn't make much of a difference - and Tali, as the daughter of a matyred admiral and hero of two (three?) missions with Commander Shepard, probably qualifies for an exception  I'm not saying there wouldn't necessarily be social pressure, but Bioware do ultimately control their characters and the forums would rage with the fury of a thousand suns if a Shepmanced Tali broke it off solely because of some arcane custom. 

Re: depictions of s/s in ME versus DA, I agree that neither are a shining example of diversity. I guess the fact that the player can engage in s/s relationships, and that there are other NPCs involved in them in Thedas, made me warm more to the DA setting. Zev's romance is quite sweet in the end (his ratio of men to women is irrelevant, unless you think a predominently-gay LI is more genuine?) and even the incidental references to s/s relationships and minor characters is more immersion-building than Mass Effect. 

I don't want to reopen any debate about the asari, except to agree that mentioning bondmates of the same gender without any fuss is a good thing. I'd wonder, though, if the team would be so quick to have a random human/alien NPC mention a partner of the same gender, and not make it a big deal. If the attitude of some of the developers to asari is maintained - that they aren't technically an s/s option, because they're monogendered - they become an easy way to pile in loads of references to same-sex relationships without actually claiming that they are. It's disingenuous. 

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