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[ladyofpayne]

I am hope M+M LI will act first. I love Anders for it.

[Athayniel]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Athayniel wrote...

I don't think the uncertain mortality of the ME2 NPCs should preclude them being s/s LIs in ME3, actually.

I might have explained myself incorrectly.  I was merely suggesting if we were going to make mass effects romances as "realistic" as possible.  Which seems to be very important to people a characters actions for good or bad should matter.  Not just the three or four conversations you have with them on the normandy.

I was responding to Abispa. I also agree that more things should be taken into account when romances are initiated in RPGs.

[Athayniel]

Quething wrote...

c) I don't think the Wrex/Wreav thing is actually a good example of how things should be done. It felt very... handwave-y. Like, your choice about Wrex in ME1 was basically meaningless, because here, we'll just give you a clone who can do all the same stuff. The impact on the story was basically negligible.

Now, Wrex in charge is obviously a far better thing for the krogan in the long run, while Wreav is just another short-sighted warlord, so we may see some good payoff on that in ME3, but still. The idea of "substitutes" like if someone's plot-important, just swap in a placeholder character... it doesn't sit well with me. And I definitely can't see how it would mesh with romantic relationships. If Thane's dead and his brother takes his place on the Kajhe mission, it's not like you're going to romance him instead, you know? So that's still content that not enough people would see even with the wider plot-importance.

I never advocated substitutes for LIs. And the substitution I advocated is predicated on it still being an available squadmate. There is already a lot of overlap between them in terms of abilities and in some cases personality traits as well as story hooks. For instance, there's no reason why Jacob or Jack couldn't both be involved in a mission to take down Cerberus assets. Either Grunt or Wrex could be the focus of missions for the krogan. Samara or Jack could be involved in missions that involve biotics as a hook, such as getting a prototype biotic enhancer War Asset. The possibilities are there. I still wouldn't advocate substitution for LIs. They aren't interchangeable.

d) Samara is Renegade as hell, man. She's exactly what Renegade Shepard is supposed to be; someone who lays down the law for the sake of good. She slaughtered a village to get to Morinth. You know what kind of morality points Shep gets for slaughtering a village to get to the Thorian? She murdered an Eclipse merc who was technically armed but posed her no threat, just for refusing to give her info. You know what kind of morality points Shep gets for kicking an armed but effectively helpless Eclipse merc out a window for refusing to give info? Her resolution to murder her way out of the police station, killing legit local authority in the process, because her mission is more important, is certainly not more paragon than Renegade Shep's decision to let the legit Council authority die through inaction because Sovvy was more important.

Yeah, she took the paragon option with Nihlus, but my emotionally
broken infiltrator took the paragon option on Feros. She still ended
both games so deep in the red you could have mistaken her for a krogan
at a distance.

If Samara were a renegade she wouldn't have stopped chasing Nihlus and she wouldn't have taken the children from Morinth's brainwashed village somewhere safe. She would have just stayed on the hunt and those innocents would just be the cost of doing business. Every reprehensible action that Samara has been accused of doing or possibly being compelled to do by her Code is couched in self-defense or the defense of innocents, even actions I wouldn't personally abide. A village of brainwashed slaves attacks her, she either stops them or is killed. Authorities attempt to apprehend and imprison her and her code compels her to stay free by whatever means are necessary to continue her mission. She would not act first in such situations, she even voluntarily gives herself in to Detective Anaya's custody to prevent unnecessary bloodshed on the proviso it lasts no more than a day. The Code itself seems to be entirely reactive, whereas being a renegade is often quite proactive.

[ByTheCode]

I agree, M+M would be awesome. I'm not male, but I'd like to see some variety for my mansheps. And maybe more than one F+F option for my femshep, cause they just get boring after one romance.

[ElitePinecone]

Athayniel wrote...
There is already a lot of overlap between them in terms of abilities and in some cases personality traits as well as story hooks. For instance, there's no reason why Jacob or Jack couldn't both be involved in a mission to take down Cerberus assets. Either Grunt or Wrex could be the focus of missions for the krogan. Samara or Jack could be involved in missions that involve biotics as a hook, such as getting a prototype biotic enhancer War Asset. The possibilities are there. I still wouldn't advocate substitution for LIs. They aren't interchangeable.

I think it's just about a given that some missios will have interchagable roles for squadmates (people reacted really well to the squad role assignments of the suicide mission). I'd question how detailed it could get (because writing too much dialogue and making cutscenes for potentially dead squadmates is a heavy investment in resources, especially if it needs to be done 11 times), but I think it's definitely a possibility. 

Agree that LIs shouldn't be interchangable, I don't even know how it could work. Bioware have significant resources for ME3, but making entirely new LIs just for people who have a character dead in one save file or another seems like a bit of a stretch, even for them.

Why not just make new characters that aren't dependent on save files, like it looks like they're going to do? 

Another thing: if the multiplayer and significant production values are enough to attract a rather larger new audience to ME3 (as it looks like, going on preorder figures) - there'll be a lot of people who are unfamiliar with the characters and who won't particularly care about ME/ME2 LIs. It stands to reason there'd be an emphasis on even more new LIs for ME3 (or new chances to romance some old ones), for these people and for others who might find something they like in the characters introduced for the third game. 

I know people aren't that happy about new characters (they want their old favourites to get the screen time), but short of forcing new players to pick an LI they don't know anything about, I can't see how it could be handled without at least a couple of new romance interests. 

[Abispa]

Quething wrote...

Huh. I thought she was a lesbian.

Stop that! Everyone knows that Shepard is a gay man! Quit ruining my immersion!

[Ravensword]

Abispa wrote...

Quething wrote...

Huh. I thought she was a lesbian.

Stop that! Everyone knows that Shepard is a gay man! Quit ruining my immersion!

No she's bisexual.

[silentassassin264]

Athayniel wrote...

If Samara were a renegade she wouldn't have stopped chasing Nihlus and she wouldn't have taken the children from Morinth's brainwashed village somewhere safe. She would have just stayed on the hunt and those innocents would just be the cost of doing business. Every reprehensible action that Samara has been accused of doing or possibly being compelled to do by her Code is couched in self-defense or the defense of innocents, even actions I wouldn't personally abide. A village of brainwashed slaves attacks her, she either stops them or is killed. Authorities attempt to apprehend and imprison her and her code compels her to stay free by whatever means are necessary to continue her mission. She would not act first in such situations, she even voluntarily gives herself in to Detective Anaya's custody to prevent unnecessary bloodshed on the proviso it lasts no more than a day. The Code itself seems to be entirely reactive, whereas being a renegade is often quite proactive.

Because Paragon Shepard totally didn't have to fight a village of brainwashed people attacking her against their will and go without killing any of them.  Samara is a renegade.  She doesn't have the selfish or douchey things they attribute to renegades like punching reporters or accepting kickbacks from drug dealing Voluses (or Volii what are they?) but she is still a renegade through and through.

Modifié par silentassassin264, 21 octobre 2011 - 10:00 .

[jtav]

Hmm. Sbarge specifically mentioned female players when he talked about steamy scenes in his audioblog. Looks like ther's been some doubt cast on my assumption that the VS is bisexual.

[jlb524]

jtav wrote...

Hmm. Sbarge specifically mentioned female players when he talked about steamy scenes in his audioblog. Looks like ther's been some doubt cast on my assumption that the VS is bisexual.

I highly doubt he'd mention steamy scenes with a male Shepard.

[jtav]

Well why not just say player, rather than specifying women. I'm not ready to abandon the idea, but I'll lay slightly better odds on Vega and Liara being the s/s options, or even the m/m option being an NPC like Joker.

[jlb524]

What did he say, exactly?

[jtav]

"And certainly for the female player there's a lot of action between Kaidan Alenko and you, madam player. Pretty steamy, actually."

[Radahldo]

I think it would instinctual for him to refer to his female audience

[shepskisaac]

jtav wrote...

Hmm. Sbarge specifically mentioned female players when he talked about steamy scenes in his audioblog. Looks like ther's been some doubt cast on my assumption that the VS is bisexual.

Perhaps. But then again, s/s LIs can't be revealed before the game's released and he knows it himself. Back in June at Comic Expo when he slipped that it will be possible for male Shepards to romance Kaidan he also joked right after how he thinks he wasn't suppoused to reveal it

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 octobre 2011 - 11:10 .

[jtav]

You'll excuse me if I put more credence in the quote I heard for myself, especially since he could have omitted female and still not spoil a thing. I;m betting on Vega or Joker, depending on whether they want to do a full m/m romance. A situation like Kelly's isn't implausible.

[shepskisaac]

jtav wrote...

You'll excuse me if I put more credence in the quote I heard for myself, especially since he could have omitted female and still not spoil a thing.

He could've. But he also knows how many female fans he/Kaidan has so no one should be surprised he would mention them specifically.

jtav wrote...

I;m betting on Vega or Joker, depending on whether they want to do a full m/m romance. A situation like Kelly's isn't implausible.

If they don't want to do full m/m romance they shouldn't even bother. 2 games with no LIs for GayShep just to get Kelly-equivalent fling would be a joke on their part.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 21 octobre 2011 - 11:23 .

[MegaBadExample]

jtav wrote...

You'll excuse me if I put more credence in the quote I heard for myself, especially since he could have omitted female and still not spoil a thing. I;m betting on Vega or Joker, depending on whether they want to do a full m/m romance. A situation like Kelly's isn't implausible.

It's Vega. Which is fine by me. Exactly who I wanted to be. Should make him very interesting.

[jtav]

But not that surprising considering the ME team isn't that good with gender and sexuality issues. Believe me, I don't want it to be true. I just think it's plausible considering past actions.

[Negam]

jtav wrote...

But not that surprising considering the ME team isn't that good with gender and sexuality issues. Believe me, I don't want it to be true. I just think it's plausible considering past actions.

Don´t make me feel pessimistic, please.

[jlb524]

Eh, Sbarge (or anyone else) can't comment on any new romances and the MaleShep/Kaidan one would be included.

Radahldo wrote...

I think it would instinctual for him to refer to his female audience

And this.

[ElitePinecone]

We'll just have to wait and see. Speculating over tidbits when the developers clearly want to keep things under wraps is a bit pointless.

One thing, though, Sbarge's lines at Albuquerque Comic Con weren't an accidental confirmation of anything. I'd call it musing about something he thought he'd heard. Much less certain.

[Abispa]

Obviously the steamy o/s Kaidan sex scene is going to take place in the shower while the s/s sex scene is going to take place in the steam room.

[Quething]

Stomping on immersion is our #1 job here, Apisba.

Also I believe the plural of "volus" is "Volk-clan." (I want to know how we get "volus" from "Volk," myself.)

As for Sbarge, perhaps he was speaking to the yaoi fangirls in the crowd as well. XD

[Abispa]

Ravensword wrote...

Abispa wrote...

Quething wrote...

Huh. I thought she was a lesbian.

Stop that! Everyone knows that Shepard is a gay man! Quit ruining my immersion!

No she's bisexual.

In honor of this thread I've made three male Shepards who are going to be gay in ME3. One for Wrex, Grunt and Wreav. And I made a lesbian for the Krogan princess. I refuse to believe that Bioware isn't going to allow us all to experience the healing power of Krogan love.

KROGAN TRU-FAX -- "Butt Head" is a term of endearment among the Krogan.

Modifié par Abispa, 22 octobre 2011 - 01:53 .