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#1126
Siansonea

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Montezuma IV wrote...

@Siansonea II

Oh, gurrrrrrrrrrrrl! Is that Denzel!

But, Yeah. If you don't use the pale-pale color you end up looking /hispanic anyway....


He's not based on anyone "real". He's just Devon, my Boy Scout Shepard. He's nice-and-not-mean. ^_^

Maybe it's because I am of primarily Scottish, Welsh and German ancestry, and I'm beyond pale myself, I appreciate medium and dark skintones more than pale ones. I hope James Vega isn't an über-pale dude, I hope he at least has a bit of a tan if he's a Caucasian ethnic type.

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Abispa wrote...

I wish I could import pictures from my ME games. But I play on XBox 360.


I'm on a 360 too. That photo of Devon was taken with a digital camera from my TV screen. :wizard:

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Let him be Mexican let him be Mexican let him be Mexican let him be Mexican.

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Abispa wrote...
I just remembered. I LOVE LOVE LOVE that Hawke's family was the same race as the made Hawke. I hope that means good things when we finally see Shepard's mom in ME3.

SHE BETTER BE IN ME3, BIOWARE!!! OR ELSE!!!


Alas, Spacer is the only origin I don't have a full game for yet, so my Shepards are all orphens.
Raika Shepard (Colonist Infiltrator)
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Kari Shepard (Earthborn Solider)
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And Rachel Shepard (Colonist Vanguard)
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Montezuma IV wrote...

Let him be Mexican let him be Mexican let him be Mexican let him be Mexican.


Mexicans are cool, but I'm partial to Puerto Ricans. :wub:

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Montezuma IV wrote...

Let him be Mexican let him be Mexican let him be Mexican let him be Mexican.


+1 for Mexican (or Puerto Rican, I'm not picky);)

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Puerto Ricans? Okay....I can definitely do West Side Story.

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Montezuma IV wrote...

Let him be Mexican Irish let him be Mexican Irish let him be Mexican Irish let him be Mexican Irish.


Fix'd :wizard:

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Irish with a tan please, I don't want to wear sunglasses while playin' the game. BioWare hasn't figured out how to make pale skintones that aren't incandescent. B)

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Siansonea II wrote...

Irish with a tan please, I don't want to wear sunglasses while playin' the game. BioWare hasn't figured out how to make pale skintones that aren't incandescent. B)


Of course. I'm going for the dark(er) skinned/dark haired Irish. 

...Because we all know gingers have no souls :devil:
:P

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Abispa wrote...

@ SilentNukee -- Does it sound like "nuke" or "nookie"?


Nookie

Back in the day with my first MMO I was looking for a name that was cool and I was into Japanese stuff (heh) so I looked up stuff and "nuki" or something meant "kick", but it was already taken so I spelled it differently. And it just stuck with me for like 12 years. ^_^

Modifié par SilentNukee, 16 juin 2011 - 03:55 .


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I figured this would be relevant:
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This is relevant to my interests. :wizard:

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I'm late to the party and there's a lot to discuss. Might as well get to it.

[Implementation]

Personally, I hope Garrus will be open to same-sex romance in Mass Effect 3*.  It's a controversial choice, I know. Many think of him as a “bro,” not as a lover. I respect this position, but still believe there could be more to the relationship. I'll break down my reasoning step-by-step.

- Garrus cannot be romanced in ME1 and expresses no interest in either Shepard
- He can be romanced in ME2, but fShep must initiate
- He accepts Shepard's offer because he respects and trusts her, not because he's physically attracted to her (see this video and pay special attention to the lines: "Why the hell not? There's nobody in this galaxy I respect more than you." and "I'm not going to pretend I've got a fetish for humans... but this isn't about that. This is about us.")
- It can be assumed, therefore, that Shepard's sex is also irrelevant
- Thus, the only real difference between a ME2-Garrus/fShep romance and a ME3-Garrus/mShep romance is when they start (according to Bioware, ME3 begins six months to one year after ME2).

Given the lack of screen time, it could be argued that the latter version is inferior. It's all a matter of opinion, however. For me, the situation makes perfect sense. My Shepard has had a crush on Garrus since day one but doesn't want to let his personal feelings compromise the mission. Well, until now, that is. The Reapers are invading and they're a far greater threat than anything Shepard has faced before. Many people he cares about (including Garrus) could die. Because he probably won't get a second chance, now is the time to move in.

As you can see, a little roleplaying can make all the difference. It doesn't bother me that the romance begins “late.” I mean, it's ****ing Garrus. Who could ask for more? Okay, okay. I realize Garrus isn't at the top of everyone's list. That's fine. Kaidan and Joker don't rank high on mine. That's why this thread exists. I'm just glad there's going to be male/male romance in ME3! I want there to be a turian LI, but I don't care what we get so long as it's written well. (I do agree with ElitePinecone, however. Please, no more lunatics, murderers, and drama queens. I want someone stable for once! Oh, and some muscles wouldn't hurt)

* Of course, this is assuming it will be possible to initiate romances with returning squadmates in the third game. This is a safe assumption, in my opinion, as Bioware intends for each installment in the trilogy to be a valid entry point. It would be unfair if new players only had two or three romance options to choose from. I doubt BW will take this route.

[Gender-Specific Dialogue, Party Recognition, and Romance Interrupts]

Yes, please! To some, these may seem like insignificant features, but I think they add a great deal to the game. I'd love it if Ashley or Wrex poked fun at my Shepard for his unconventional tastes (I'm referring more to his xenophilia and less to his homosexuality). My heart would melt if I ever had the opportunity to embrace Garrus while he's on one of his heated tantrums. Though, the renegades needn't miss out! I want to see yelling, punching, shoving, wrestling...  *clears his throat* Moving on.

[Mature Content]

If you couldn't tell by now, I'm a romantic. By a considerable margin, I prefer non-explicit demonstrations of affection over raunchiness. A kiss, a hug, or a held hand conveys, in my opinion, much more than T&A. Millions (if not billions) of people across the galaxy are dying every day. I'd like to think that this would bother someone on the Normandy. Now, I will concede that not everyone responds to stress the same way. Some like to rant, while others need to “work it” out of their system. I just hope we'll see some variety in ME3. Can I get some sobbing with my sideboob, please?

[The “Samara Effect”]

It has always bothered me how much of a disconnect there is between the actions you take and who you can romance. My renegade Shepard was quite cruel to Tali in ME1 (didn't want her on the ship, refused to give her the Geth data, and so on). Why then is she fawning over him in the second game? Every character, whether they can be romanced or not, should be able to express his/her disapproval of Shepard's actions. I'm not a fan of visible metrics, however. This means no numbers and no bars. I want party members to actually confront Shepard and say what's on their mind. Take, for example, a situation where Shepard must choose between saving Garrus' mother or preventing a turian frigate from being destroyed. If I picked the latter option, I'd expect Garrus to be upset. Hell, he'd probably take a swing at Shepard if given the chance.

I realize that requests like these cost money. Still, they're important to me. I play the Mass Effect games for the story, not the gameplay. There are plenty of games out there that can deliver an entertaining shooter experience, but very few that can make me feel the way I do when I play this one. I hope Bioware understands this and won't take anything for granted. Mass Effect 3 is the end of the trilogy. They should pull no punches.

[Miscellaneous]

1) I want to start a group supporting a Garrus/mShep romance. Anyone who'd like to join such a group should send me a PM. If the response is positive enough, I'll fire it up. At the very least, I might create some banners. Please share your feedback!

2) Originally, I had planned on discussing topics such as “retcons VS character development” and “metagaming.” These are complex subjects, though, and not entirely on-topic. If they come up again (and I fear they will), I'll reconsider. I don't want to get on Siansonea's bad side, however. I may love her rainbow cookies, but I'm not a fan of her knuckle sandwiches.

Modifié par DrBobcat, 16 juin 2011 - 03:09 .


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The Uncanny wrote...

ADLegend21 wrote...

I figured this would be relevant:
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This is relevant to my interests. :wizard:

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DrBobcat wrote...

Given the lack of screen time, it could be argued that the latter version is inferior. It's all a matter of opinion, however. For me, the situation makes perfect sense. My Shepard has had a crush on Garrus since day one but doesn't want to let his personal feelings compromise the mission. Well, until now, that is. The Reapers are invading and they're a far greater threat than anything Shepard has faced before. Many people he cares about (including Garrus) could die. Because he probably won't get a second chance, now is the time to move in.


This is mainly why I'd prefer former squad-mates as LIs.  Given that the Reapers are invading, it seems a little ham-fisted that Shepard could get to know a complete stranger and fall in love with them by the end of the game.  However, finally setting aside your inhibitions and acting on feelings would make more sense given this scenario (IMO of course).

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Whereas I'm coming at it from the opposite perspective. I don't w ant returning squad members made available because it means effectively writing two romances, and I'm concerned the romances won't be as good as they could be because they have to account for new and continuing romances.

But if they're willing to spend resources to do it right, bring it on.

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I'd just like to say that I enjoy the love going on in this thread. It's not like the angry ranting going on in the Ashley + Femshep thread.

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jtav wrote...

Whereas I'm coming at it from the opposite perspective. I don't w ant returning squad members made available because it means effectively writing two romances, and I'm concerned the romances won't be as good as they could be because they have to account for new and continuing romances.

But if they're willing to spend resources to do it right, bring it on.


Is that any different from them taking away resources from existing romances to write/animate/record VO for romances with brand new characters?

ArawnNox wrote...

I'd just like to say that I enjoy the love going on in this thread. It's not like the angry ranting going on in the Ashley + Femshep thread.


Haaha, yes...even though I love debating, I've washed my hands of whatever is going on in there.  :P

Modifié par jlb524, 16 juin 2011 - 03:27 .


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jtav wrote...

Whereas I'm coming at it from the opposite perspective. I don't want returning squad members made available because it means effectively writing two romances, and I'm concerned the romances won't be as good as they could be because they have to account for new and continuing romances.

But if they're willing to spend resources to do it right, bring it on.


Pretty much this.
My femshep would like Miranda for romance!

#1145
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Not sure if I said it in this thread or not, but I'll be pleased as punch for any s/s romances, whoever they are, so long as its not an "asari cop-out".
I love asari, don't get me wrong, but a romance involving them always felt like it was too easy for a dev to say "Well, they're not REALLY female..."
Though, in Kaiden's words, "Yeah, but you look...."
*Ahem* Back on Topic.
My hopes are for Ashley and Tali. I was never big on the girls in ME2, to be honest.

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I would love to be able to have s/s romance with at least one previous squadmate but I'll understand if it's not possible. I can't have EVERYTHING I want, and I certainly don't want Bioware to make a watered-down romance just to cater to me.

I'll just be a little sad about it. *idly toes at the ground*

I was kind of wondering how the LIs with previous squadmates will work at all for someone who starts ME3 without importing.

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RinjiRenee wrote...

I was kind of wondering how the LIs with previous squadmates will work at all for someone who starts ME3 without importing.


I was wondering the same.  They may make some of the previous LIs open for even new o/s romances with players starting out fresh in ME3 (or for veteran players using that save generator comic-book thingy just to avoid replaying ME1/ME2).

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jlb524 wrote...

RinjiRenee wrote...

I was kind of wondering how the LIs with previous squadmates will work at all for someone who starts ME3 without importing.


I was wondering the same.  They may make some of the previous LIs open for even new o/s romances with players starting out fresh in ME3 (or for veteran players using that save generator comic-book thingy just to avoid replaying ME1/ME2).


I saw somewhere that importing characters will have squadmate benefits.

From twitter:

ME3News
Everything about ME3
There will be great rewards for importing your Shepard,Squadmates won't necessarily work like the ones in ME3 #MassEffect3

No idea what this means, though.

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RinjiRenee wrote...
I saw somewhere that importing characters will have squadmate benefits.

From twitter:

ME3News
Everything about ME3
There will be great rewards for importing your Shepard,Squadmates won't necessarily work like the ones in ME3 #MassEffect3

No idea what this means, though.


:lol:
Those are actually two seperate tweets:

http://twitter.com/#...006769912446976

"If you import your me2 character to me3 there will be huge rewards beyond the inherent reward of continuing your story"


And:

twitter.com/#!/truffle/status/79387868778344449

"For those asking about "permanent" squad members, don't assume squad members will work the same way as me1 and me2"

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DrBobcat wrote...

I'm late to the party and there's a lot to discuss. Might as well get to it.

[Implementation]

Personally, I hope Garrus will be open to same-sex romance in Mass Effect 3*.  It's a controversial choice, I know. Many think of him as a “bro,” not as a lover. I respect this position, but still believe there could be more to the relationship. I'll break down my reasoning step-by-step.

- Garrus cannot be romanced in ME1 and expresses no interest in either Shepard
- He can be romanced in ME2, but fShep must initiate
- He accepts Shepard's offer because he respects and trusts her, not because he's physically attracted to her (see this video and pay special attention to the lines: "Why the hell not? There's nobody in this galaxy I respect more than you." and "I'm not going to pretend I've got a fetish for humans... but this isn't about that. This is about us.")
- It can be assumed, therefore, that Shepard's sex is also irrelevant
- Thus, the only real difference between a ME2-Garrus/fShep romance and a ME3-Garrus/mShep romance is when they start (according to Bioware, ME3 begins six months to one year after ME2).

Given the lack of screen time, it could be argued that the latter version is inferior. It's all a matter of opinion, however. For me, the situation makes perfect sense. My Shepard has had a crush on Garrus since day one but doesn't want to let his personal feelings compromise the mission. Well, until now, that is. The Reapers are invading and they're a far greater threat than anything Shepard has faced before. Many people he cares about (including Garrus) could die. Because he probably won't get a second chance, now is the time to move in.

As you can see, a little roleplaying can make all the difference. It doesn't bother me that the romance begins “late.” I mean, it's ****ing Garrus. Who could ask for more? Okay, okay. I realize Garrus isn't at the top of everyone's list. That's fine. Kaidan and Joker don't rank high on mine. That's why this thread exists. I'm just glad there's going to be male/male romance in ME3! I want there to be a turian LI, but I don't care what we get so long as it's written well. (I do agree with ElitePinecone, however. Please, no more lunatics, murderers, and drama queens. I want someone stable for once! Oh, and some muscles wouldn't hurt)

* Of course, this is assuming it will be possible to initiate romances with returning squadmates in the third game. This is a safe assumption, in my opinion, as Bioware intends for each installment in the trilogy to be a valid entry point. It would be unfair if new players only had two or three romance options to choose from. I doubt BW will take this route.

[Gender-Specific Dialogue, Party Recognition, and Romance Interrupts]

Yes, please! To some, these may seem like insignificant features, but I think they add a great deal to the game. I'd love it if Ashley or Wrex poked fun at my Shepard for his unconventional tastes (I'm referring more to his xenophilia and less to his homosexuality). My heart would melt if I ever had the opportunity to embrace Garrus while he's on one of his heated tantrums. Though, the renegades needn't miss out! I want to see yelling, punching, shoving, wrestling...  *clears his throat* Moving on.

[Mature Content]

If you couldn't tell by now, I'm a romantic. By a considerable margin, I prefer non-explicit demonstrations of affection over raunchiness. A kiss, a hug, or a held hand conveys, in my opinion, much more than T&A. Millions (if not billions) of people across the galaxy are dying every day. I'd like to think that this would bother someone on the Normandy. Now, I will concede that not everyone responds to stress the same way. Some like to rant, while others need to “work it” out of their system. I just hope we'll see some variety in ME3. Can I get some sobbing with my sideboob, please?

[The “Samara Effect”]

It has always bothered me how much of a disconnect there is between the actions you take and who you can romance. My renegade Shepard was quite cruel to Tali in ME1 (didn't want her on the ship, refused to give her the Geth data, and so on). Why then is she fawning over him in the second game? Every character, whether they can be romanced or not, should be able to express his/her disapproval of Shepard's actions. I'm not a fan of visible metrics, however. This means no numbers and no bars. I want party members to actually confront Shepard and say what's on their mind. Take, for example, a situation where Shepard must choose between saving Garrus' mother or preventing a turian frigate from being destroyed. If I picked the latter option, I'd expect Garrus to be upset. Hell, he'd probably take a swing at Shepard if given the chance.

I realize that requests like these cost money. Still, they're important to me. I play the Mass Effect games for the story, not the gameplay. There are plenty of games out there that can deliver an entertaining shooter experience, but very few that can make me feel the way I do when I play this one. I hope Bioware understands this and won't take anything for granted. Mass Effect 3 is the end of the trilogy. They should pull no punches.

[Miscellaneous]

1) I want to start a group supporting a Garrus/mShep romance. Anyone who'd like to join such a group should send me a PM. If the response is positive enough, I'll fire it up. At the very least, I might create some banners. Please share your feedback!

2) Originally, I had planned on discussing topics such as “retcons VS character development” and “metagaming.” These are complex subjects, though, and not entirely on-topic. If they come up again (and I fear they will), I'll reconsider. I don't want to get on Siansonea's bad side, however. I may love her rainbow cookies, but I'm not a fan of her knuckle sandwiches.


*gives the good doctor rainbow cookies* 

Nice post! I like it, I do. I think you make good points about an MShep/Garrus romance, and I like that there are people out there who are more in favor of Garrus than Kaidan or Joker, as those seem to be the only m/m options that we seem to discuss in any depth (not that that's a bad thing or anything). For me personally, Garrus isn't a favorite character, though I think the voice actor does a fantastic job and his stories are interesting. I just prefer the human and asari characters, it's all just personal preference. If Garrus was an m/m option, I'd probably do a runthrough to see what it was like, but my 'canon' gay Shepard would still prefer a human LI. 

*gives rest of the thread rainbow cookies, all out of knuckle sandwiches at the moment*