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[Chun Hei]

Xilizhra wrote...

I personally hope that "some, but not all" meant "everyone except Jacob."

Jacob is yummy. Garrus is number one and Kaidan is two but Jacob is next in line for o/s AND s/s loving in ME3.

[Chun Hei]

lovgreno wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

On the other hand Vega would make a good example of the manly gay trope.

I think manly gay is less common.  Especially if Vega is the super-patriotic, no-nonsense, ultra-badass type that usually saves the president and makes out with the hot chick at the end of a summer blockbuster.

Just because of that Vega should be gay.

Would him being gay/bi create the most rage or would him being "Shepard-sexual" create the most rage?

[AdmiralCheez]

lovgreno wrote...

Just because of that Vega should be gay.

Duke Nukem, now with rainbows.

[Abispa]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Just because of that Vega should be gay.

Duke Nukem, now with rainbows.

Kill 100 men inside of two minutes and you unlock RuPaul's wardrobe.

[billy the squid]

Chun Hei wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

On the other hand Vega would make a good example of the manly gay trope.

I think manly gay is less common.  Especially if Vega is the super-patriotic, no-nonsense, ultra-badass type that usually saves the president and makes out with the hot chick at the end of a summer blockbuster.

Just because of that Vega should be gay.

Would him being gay/bi create the most rage or would him being "Shepard-sexual" create the most rage?

Shepard sexual, paticularly if it's badly done.

[AdmiralCheez]

billy the squid wrote...

Shepard sexual, paticularly if it's badly done.

Any romance that is poorly presented or hijacks a character so that you can't talk to them unless you hab teh secks will be frowned upon.

With extreme frowniness.

EXTREME.



That is my face when Jack tells me to go away because I don't have a penis.

[billy the squid]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Shepard sexual, paticularly if it's badly done.

Any romance that is poorly presented or hijacks a character so that you can't talk to them unless you hab teh secks will be frowned upon.

With extreme frowniness.

EXTREME.



That is my face when Jack tells me to go away because I don't have a penis.

I can't see the picture.

[AdmiralCheez]

billy the squid wrote...

I can't see the picture.

Epic frowny Squidward.

[lovgreno]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

lovgreno wrote...

Just because of that Vega should be gay.

Duke Nukem, now with rainbows.

For the first half of the ME3 story we are misled to think Vega is a superhetero and supermanly bro to MaleShep. And then he ninjamances Shepard.

[billy the squid]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

I can't see the picture.

Epic frowny Squidward.

 
Ha, nice.

But, I agree badly implemented romances are...well, bad and hurt the game. Shepard-sexual romances badly implemented, have the potential to make no sense at all, in addition to being bad.

Shepard- Calibrating the guns I see
Garrus- I love you
Me-  What? How did that happen?Weren't you hetrosexual in the last 2 games, I distinctly remember a discussion about reach and flexibility? Don't you know I'm in a relationship with...(insert young lady's name here)

A very silly, example, but if things are not implemented properly, it raises a whole host of issues.

Edit: I'm being lazy at the moment so I'm re posting this from elsewhere on the s/s issues.

So long as they don't just completely disregard previous decisions, personalities of characters being damaged by the requirement to implement such a system and it is handled subtly; whereby the player actually has to progress through several specific dialogues and branches before the option is available. Then I don't mind it, really the s/s is an issue of implementation rather than anything else.

And yes, having a more nuanced dialoge system is important in this, paticularly with the romances.

Modifié par billy the squid, 23 octobre 2011 - 09:08 .

[AdmiralCheez]

billy the squid wrote...

Shepard- Calibrating the guns I see
Garrus- I love you
Me-  What? How did that happen?Weren't you hetrosexual in the last 2 games, I distinctly remember a discussion about reach and flexibility? Don't you know I'm in a relationship with...(insert young lady's name here)

A very silly, example, but if things are not implemented properly, it raises a whole host of issues.

Yeah, that is silly, but I doubt it will happen.  The devs have confirmed all romances will be player initiated.

By the way, liking the opposite sex does not mean you are straight.  Bisexuality exists, and it's actually a lot more common than you think.  In fact, sexuality does not fit neatly into categories at all.  Maybe you've heard of that Kinsey guy...

Otherwise I agree with the rest of the stuff you said.

Modifié par AdmiralCheez, 23 octobre 2011 - 09:34 .

[slimgrin]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

By the way, liking the opposite sex does not mean you are straight. 

O_o..?

[AdmiralCheez]

slimgrin wrote...

O_o..?

No really.  Just because you like the opposite sex most of the time does not permanently exclude same-sex attraction.

Like I said in the previous post, sexuality does not fit into neat categories.  "Gay" and "straight" are societal constructs.

[thatguy212]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Shepard- Calibrating the guns I see
Garrus- I love you
Me-  What? How did that happen?Weren't you hetrosexual in the last 2 games, I distinctly remember a discussion about reach and flexibility? Don't you know I'm in a relationship with...(insert young lady's name here)

A very silly, example, but if things are not implemented properly, it raises a whole host of issues.

Yeah, that is silly, but I doubt it will happen.  The devs have confirmed all romances will be player initiated.

By the way, liking the opposite sex does not mean you are straight.  Bisexuality exists, and it's actually a lot more common than you think.  In fact, sexuality does not fit neatly into categories at all.  Maybe you've heard of that Kinsey guy...

Otherwise I agree with the rest of the stuff you said.

Isn't Kinsey the guy to show that in general Women are more likely to be Bisexual rather than Straight or Gay and Men are more likely to be Straight or Gay rather than be Bisexual? or am i thinking of someone else

[AngelicMachinery]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

O_o..?

No really.  Just because you like the opposite sex most of the time does not permanently exclude same-sex attraction.

Like I said in the previous post, sexuality does not fit into neat categories.  "Gay" and "straight" are societal constructs.

It's true,  I always thought I was a lesbian...  but,  I've met a few guys who intruiged me,

[jeweledleah]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

AdmiralCheez wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

O_o..?

No really.  Just because you like the opposite sex most of the time does not permanently exclude same-sex attraction.

Like I said in the previous post, sexuality does not fit into neat categories.  "Gay" and "straight" are societal constructs.

It's true,  I always thought I was a lesbian...  but,  I've met a few guys who intruiged me,

Ive met a single woman that made me go... holly hell, this woman is pure sex.  and then I concidered the actual deed and went.. nope, not really interested.  just pure artistic apreciation.

bi-sexuality exists and its more common then people think, but so do purely straight and purely gay people.  ever hear of gay guys incapable of functioning with a woman without an aid of viagra or something of that nature?  I've actualy met a few.

[billy the squid]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

billy the squid wrote...

Shepard- Calibrating the guns I see
Garrus- I love you
Me-  What? How did that happen?Weren't you hetrosexual in the last 2 games, I distinctly remember a discussion about reach and flexibility? Don't you know I'm in a relationship with...(insert young lady's name here)

A very silly, example, but if things are not implemented properly, it raises a whole host of issues.

Yeah, that is silly, but I doubt it will happen.  The devs have confirmed all romances will be player initiated.

By the way, liking the opposite sex does not mean you are straight.  Bisexuality exists, and it's actually a lot more common than you think.  In fact, sexuality does not fit neatly into categories at all.  Maybe you've heard of that Kinsey guy...

Otherwise I agree with the rest of the stuff you said.

Yep, it was silly and I don't think it would happen that way either, but is good to know the developers have stated such.

But, indeed, I am aware of the variances within sexuality, s/s in game is an issue pertaining to implementation, nothing else. 

Whilst as to the terminology used to distinguish sexuality, I tend to use it in terms of broad sexual prefrences, which overlaps, rather than exclusive segregation into a deliniated class.

[ElitePinecone]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

By the way, liking the opposite sex does not mean you are straight.  

Cheez

[AdmiralCheez]

jeweledleah wrote...

Ive met a single woman that made me go... holly hell, this woman is pure sex.  and then I concidered the actual deed and went.. nope, not really interested.  just pure artistic apreciation.

bi-sexuality exists and its more common then people think, but so do purely straight and purely gay people.  ever hear of gay guys incapable of functioning with a woman without an aid of viagra or something of that nature?  I've actualy met a few.

Oh, definitely.  People just tend to want to fit stuff into neat little categories all the time.  With something as messy as human nature, it hardly ever works out that way.

[shepskisaac]

thatguy212 wrote...

Isn't Kinsey the guy to show that in general Women are more likely to be Bisexual rather than Straight or Gay and Men are more likely to be Straight or Gay rather than be Bisexual? or am i thinking of someone else

Maybe not more likely but from all I've read and know and my personal experiences, I think guys simply know rather very clearly & early in their lives what they really like. Admitting it to other people is a different thing, but as I may be inclined to believe a woman who says she didn't realize she was bisexual/lesbian until later in her life (let's say late 20s/30s), I just don't believe when guys say it.

[bas_kon]

IsaacShep wrote...

thatguy212 wrote...

Isn't Kinsey the guy to show that in general Women are more likely to be Bisexual rather than Straight or Gay and Men are more likely to be Straight or Gay rather than be Bisexual? or am i thinking of someone else

Maybe not more likely but from all I've read and know and my personal experiences, I think guys simply know rather very clearly & early in their lives what they really like. Admitting it to other people is a different thing, but as I may be inclined to believe a woman who says she didn't realize she was bisexual/lesbian until later in her life (let's say late 20s/30s), I just don't believe when guys say it.

That's not true, at least not according to my experience, I'm a bisexual male and didn't know it 'till I was 19. And it's pretty easy to understand, since we men are not only taught to like women but also compelled to, by everyone around us, adult or child, even before having actual sexual desires. When you don't have any preference by nature, is easy for them to create it while you're still a learning child, like when they told you not to put your finger in your mouth after touching the ground because it's yucky. 

And yes, now I think I was always atrated to men, but didn't think they could give me the pleasure a woman could or that I could love one without one or both of us losing our masculinity. At that time, I'd only dated girls and I actually thought m/m was yucky, because I was taught to think so. Then, I got drunk, slept with my best mate and we liked it, thus we repeated again and again, so we were together for 4 years. And then I started to date my wife. Not everyone knows their sexuality early, particularly not bisexuals since it's harder for us not to be influenced by others in that matter while we are kids. I can't speak about gay guys...

[shepskisaac]

bas_kon wrote...

[...] and didn't know it 'till I was 19 [...]

That is still early. In my example, I was talking about people in their mid-late 20s/30s, or even later. And then again, you admit yourself eventually you do know you were always attracted to men.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 23 octobre 2011 - 11:06 .

[Ravensword]

AdmiralCheez wrote...

I am going to get in trouble for this, but after reading the Tali posts here I posted "Tali for f/f in ME3" in the Tali thread.

Sorry, guys. I couldn't help myself. But I legit want Tali as an s/s option.

You're my hero.

[Quething]

Well, it's a bit harder for guys to overlook their body's physical reaction, too.

Xilizhra wrote...

I do wonder if this has to do with Tali being a lot like ME1 Liara (I mean no disrespect, I love them both) except not initially bisexual/pansexual/whatever, which may be a selling point to some of the more annoying fans.

I'd never thought about that before, but that's a really good point.

As for Vega? Bears and the manly gay stereotype haven't permeated the wider culture to the same extent that the effeminate gay stereotype has. And so far as I know, there is no "manly bi" stereotype. So I suspect Vega being queer would still be a meaningful deviation from norm and shake some people's preconceptions up a bit.