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[KawaiiKatie]

ElitePinecone wrote...

I'm just saying: people are immediately conjuring Kelly as the worst case scenario, when she was actually only half-developed in the first place. If Bioware were going to do a non-squadmate romance, they'd want to do it right.

But, isn't that exactly the point? Kelly was only half-developed, something Bioware wanted to do "right" but didn't really get the chance to implement properly. How do we know that same-sex romances won't be the same? Something that Bioware wants to do ideally, but in the end we only end up with Kelly's "Easter egg" of a romance?

I certainly don't blame anyone who conjures Kelly as a worst-case scenario (I know I do!) because Kelly really is a prime example of our worst fear... besides being cut from the game entirely, of course.

[xassantex]

li's ... how erotic will it get ?

[jlb524]

IsaacShep wrote...

It would be if BioWare revealed the LIs on February 14

They did that this past year with DA2.

They said, characters X, Y, Z will be LIs.

They didn't specify who was an s/s LI though.

I bet they'd do the same with ME3 XD

[Maugrim]

KawaiiKatie wrote...

ElitePinecone wrote...

I'm just saying: people are immediately conjuring Kelly as the worst case scenario, when she was actually only half-developed in the first place. If Bioware were going to do a non-squadmate romance, they'd want to do it right.

But, isn't that exactly the point? Kelly was only half-developed, something Bioware wanted to do "right" but didn't really get the chance to implement properly. How do we know that same-sex romances won't be the same? Something that Bioware wants to do ideally, but in the end we only end up with Kelly's "Easter egg" of a romance?

I certainly don't blame anyone who conjures Kelly as a worst-case scenario (I know I do!) because Kelly really is a prime example of our worst fear... besides being cut from the game entirely, of course.

The point is that Kelly was never designed to be a full fledge romance.  She's just a little side dish, a fling.  The facts are that she can be almost as deep as some of the other romances, idiotic and tired **** shaming jokes to the contrary.  No one else cared enough to feed my damn fish that's for sure.  What was cut was that there was at least one other additional quasi-romance in Kenneth, while I imagine some interaction may have been cute out they wouldn't have been full LI under any conditions.  People who equate the two are comparing apples and kumquats (oranges being too similar for this analogy).

Frankly this reminds me of the time Maelora and other naysayers were saying that there would be no s/s LI in DA2 besides someone like Kelly and that Isabela would be retconned to straight.   We all know how that turned out! While I doubt we will be getting all bi LI (though it hasn't been ruled out, it's just not necessarily true).  Bioware may not always move as fast as we like but I've never seen em go backwards on s/s inclusion since KOTOR.

Modifié par makenzieshepard, 24 octobre 2011 - 11:19 .

[jlb524]

I'd say ME2 was a step back as far as s/s inclusion goes.

[mesmerizedish]

jlb524 wrote...

I'd say ME2 was a step back as far as s/s inclusion goes.

Fenris: "Sadly true."

[mesmerizedish]

[EDIT] double post >.>

Modifié par ishmaeltheforsaken, 24 octobre 2011 - 11:31 .

[Seagloom]

Mass Effect and Mass Effect 2 were both steps back as far as I'm concerned. I agree with Makenzie on s/s romances when it comes to women, but on the male side there was Sky in Jade Empire, then nothing until DAO introduced Zevran. BioWare has been uneven enough about s/s content that I'm not comfortable counting on anything.

[shepskisaac]

makenzieshepard wrote...

While I doubt we will be getting all bi LI (though it hasn't been ruled out, it's just not necessarily true).

Me too BUT. If the characters available for new romances are Vega, New Female, Liara, Kaidan, Ash & Joker, then I actually could see 'all bi' scenario technically. After all "some, but not all" & "not all characters will be available for s/s romance" statements would still be true if we include continued romances with characters that won't be returning as squadmates/won't be on the Normandy, and thus rather surely won't be available for any kind of new romance.

makenzieshepard wrote...

Bioware may not always move as fast as we like but I've never seen em go backwards on s/s inclusion since KOTOR.

Considering Jade Empire had a gay male romance, it definitely did felt like ME took a step forward regarding s/s romances. BTW, which team developed JE? Was it ME/KOTOR team or the DA team?

Modifié par IsaacShep, 24 octobre 2011 - 11:38 .

[Quething]

IsaacShep wrote...

If the characters available for new romances are Vega, New Female, Liara, Kaidan, Ash & Joker,

Heh, "New Female." Bisexual turian vanguard, man! Keep the dream alive

Idle thought: does Mordin qualify as a positive portrayal of an ace character? As far as envelope-pushing goes, that's closer to the edge, but I'm not sure if the fact that he's an alien and his whole species is that way disqualifies him (given that sounds an awful lot like the discount lesbian asari).

[Maugrim]

I did forget about Sky, m/m romances have always been iffier that's true enough. Not that I was all the impressed with that in the first place, considering the hoops you have to jump through to get to it.

[shepskisaac]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I did forget about Sky, m/m romances have always been iffier that's true enough. Not that I was all the impressed with that in the first place, considering the hoops you have to jump through to get to it.

And the "Yeah I'm reall straight, it's only you that made me think of a guy this way first time ever nevermind I'm 30+ something and whatnot" nonsense...

[ElitePinecone]

I just think that imagining the worst possible scenario for s/s - when we have next to no information, and what information we do have points away from Kelly-esque quality - is being unreasonably pessimistic.

Bioware have been working on them for months. They were announced and included as a major new feature. Kelly was only ever devised as one part of a series of small crew interactions, most of which were cut. Developers had to finish the Kelly content at home, in their own time, just to get her into the game!

I don't think they're even in the same league, and the comparison isn't valid.

[Seagloom]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I did forget about Sky, m/m romances have always been iffier that's true enough. Not that I was all the impressed with that in the first place, considering the hoops you have to jump through to get to it.

Indeed. It wasn't handled well. It also came across awkward, for want of a better term. As if he needed convincing. Silk Fox's s/s romance felt more natural. In any case, it was a first attempt, so I try not to criticize BioWare too harshly over it. Hopefully there won't be any steps backward with ME3 and any other games going forward. If they can do it right two games in a row, I might start embracing that rarest of my personal traits: optimism.

Modifié par Seagloom, 24 octobre 2011 - 11:54 .

[Abispa]

Quething wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

If the characters available for new romances are Vega, New Female, Liara, Kaidan, Ash & Joker,

Heh, "New Female." Bisexual turian vanguard, man! Keep the dream alive

Idle thought: does Mordin qualify as a positive portrayal of an ace character? As far as envelope-pushing goes, that's closer to the edge, but I'm not sure if the fact that he's an alien and his whole species is that way disqualifies him (given that sounds an awful lot like the discount lesbian asari).

Repeat after me, loudly and slowly:

KROGAN PRINCESS SENTINEL!

Fight for the Krogan love, dammit!

[Abispa]

makenzieshepard wrote...

I did forget about Sky, m/m romances have always been iffier that's true enough. Not that I was all the impressed with that in the first place, considering the hoops you have to jump through to get to it.

Sky is the Bioware yin to Juhani yang, or something like that. I imagine people hearing about the potential for some s/s love only to be disappointed.

[Quething]

Wouldn't that be yang to yin? Or is it reversed for queer LIs?

You're right, though, a tech class krogan would be even better

[Xilizhra]

You're right, though, a tech class krogan would be even better

*still wishes we'd gotten Okeer instead of Grunt*

Modifié par Xilizhra, 25 octobre 2011 - 01:20 .

[AngelicMachinery]

Quething wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

If the characters available for new romances are Vega, New Female, Liara, Kaidan, Ash & Joker,

Heh, "New Female." Bisexual turian vanguard, man! Keep the dream alive

I would love and Cherish this.

[silentassassin264]

AngelicMachinery wrote...

Quething wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

If the characters available for new romances are Vega, New Female, Liara, Kaidan, Ash & Joker,

Heh, "New Female." Bisexual turian vanguard, man! Keep the dream alive

I would love and Cherish this.

As would I.

[Uhh.. Jonah]

jlb524 wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

It would be if BioWare revealed the LIs on February 14

They did that this past year with DA2.

They said, characters X, Y, Z will be LIs.

They didn't specify who was an s/s LI though.

I bet they'd do the same with ME3 XD

I cannot wait that long. That's so far away for me. 

[Cootie]

*holds breath*

[ladyofpayne]

No news about secret BI?

[Ravensword]

Everyone?