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[ElitePinecone]

elektrego wrote...
 the idea that "Vigilante" might be Liz Bayhnem, who after seeing what ExoGeni did on Feros, went to fight the wrongdoings of the big corporations

Hm, that's an interesting idea, I'd never even considered that. Then again, she's not that good with a pistol 

A new female character has been hinted heavily, we aren't sure if she's human or alien but I presume one or more of the new female characters would be s/s LIs. 

Wasn't there another woman in armour on one of the PC Power Play covers? I think I posted it in the General forum a few weeks ago. 

[ElitePinecone]

elektrego wrote...
Regarding the cover: Wasn't that the article about multiplayer? I thought those were characters specifically for that.

Oh, of course - yeah. Still, I hope we get some more character reveals soon. The whole "marketing has a precise schedule and tiny details are going to be dripped out over four months to maintain hype" is starting to annoy me. 

[Quething]

I sort of wonder who they're hyping for, at this rate. I mean, you're not going to draw in new customers with ten seconds of footage or one offhand mention of a returning NPC that nobody outside the existing fanbase has ever even heard of. And existing BioWare fans, ME2 fans particularly, are largely already sold, right? If they really want people to get interested they're going to have to start talking about... like, actual features and story hooks, at some point pretty soon.

Modifié par Quething, 26 octobre 2011 - 12:03 .

[Ravensword]

Quething wrote...

I sort of wonder who they're hyping for, at this rate. I mean, you're not going to draw in new customers with ten seconds of footage or one offhand mention of a returning NPC that nobody outside the existing fanbase has ever even heard of. And existing BioWare fans, ME2 fans particularly, are largely already sold, right?

I'm sold.

[Chun Hei]

I wonder if there is going to be a huge focus on celebrity voice actors. Even for returning characters. That way the ME fans will be intrigued by the return of a once minor character while the sci-fi/gaming media focuses on some well known hot actor/actress being the VA for him/her. I do expect at least some fans to be upset that the changed VAs though.

[Chun Hei]

elektrego wrote...

So, the idea of Chakwas got me thinking and I would actually love someone like Bailey or Hackett for some of my maleSheps. Both are quite interesting male characters in my eyes. Though that is highly unlikely, someone a little older would be a nice addition to the choices.

On the female side, I found one of the femSheps I made recently taking an interest in Lizbeth Bayhnem and I wanted to ask, if someone knows what the status is on that "vigilante" character, that has been going around some time ago. The picture of that stunt woman/actress kind of reminded me of her and the idea that "Vigilante" might be Liz Bayhnem, who after seeing what ExoGeni did on Feros, went to fight the wrongdoings of the big corporations kind of intrigues me, though I am probably horribly wrong. But I said it anyway to maybe get some thoughts on that.

Interesting. If that corporation is run by the richest man in the galaxy (Miranda's dad) that could allow Liz to be a fill-in for a dead Miranda or an add on character for some interesting banter (if we get it this time).

[who would know]

You know, as time wears on since the announcement of M/M, and with the recent revelations that Vega's chances of being gay are slimmer than I'd once imagined, my excitement is waning. My attitude towards this is becoming more and more "too little, too late". The content is just so absent from the first two games.

Also: I don't mean to be choosy (okay, I do) but my interest in this is entirely dependent on what our options are. I'm in the middle of playing a gay Shepard, but I'm only playing a non-femShep because of the promised M/M, and it's hard to persevere when so much is still up in the air.

I'm way more interested and invested in my femShep, anyway. Probably will import her first. She's non-heterosexual, but single so far.

Modifié par who would know, 26 octobre 2011 - 06:19 .

[Athayniel]

elektrego wrote...

It's been a couple of years, she might have improved her skills a little ;-)
Especially after seeing awesome FemShep - "I wanna be like that <3"
Since I started to dream about that while playing female Shepard, I would really like her as an s/s LI and that's why I mentioned it in here.

Regarding the cover: Wasn't that the article about multiplayer? I thought those were characters specifically for that.

I've always been a fan of Lizbeth Baynham ever since my first ME1 playthrough, and she's always been on my list of NPCs I'd like to see again along with Emily Wong and Shiala. And remember that she actually hit what she was aiming for. If Shepard's shields hadn't been at full...

One of my favourite SB videos is Ms Wong on her girl's night out. It's good to see someone in the universe who works hard and still finds the time to have fun. She's the antithesis of all the grimness in the setting. Also... she's dancing with two other women... the possibilities....

As an aside, the "vigilante" is mostly considered to be a character in one of the live-action trailers that have been made, not specifically an in-game character.

Modifié par Athayniel, 26 octobre 2011 - 09:01 .

[Athayniel]

Quething wrote...

I sort of wonder who they're hyping for, at this rate. I mean, you're not going to draw in new customers with ten seconds of footage or one offhand mention of a returning NPC that nobody outside the existing fanbase has ever even heard of. And existing BioWare fans, ME2 fans particularly, are largely already sold, right? If they really want people to get interested they're going to have to start talking about... like, actual features and story hooks, at some point pretty soon.

Well... we're still four and half months from release, there won't be a marketing push this far out from launch, especially before the holiday period. Putting info about the game out now will just lead people to believe the game is coming out in time for Christmas which is not an impression they will want to make. They will wait until the new year to release anything to a wider audience than the rabid BioWare fans who actively visit their site looking for ME3 news. Even so I don't think s/s relationships or the romances in general are something they would make any sort of deal about in their marketing. It's something the afficcionadoes care about but it's not a major feature to draw in newcomers.

Chun Hei wrote...

I wonder if there is going to be a huge focus on celebrity voice actors. Even for returning characters. That way the ME fans will be intrigued by the return of a once minor character while the sci-fi/gaming media focuses on some well known hot actor/actress being the VA for him/her. I do expect at least some fans to be upset that the changed VAs though.

I could easily see that being the case. It makes a lot of sense.

*edit* Who would you like to hear voicing new gay and lesbian characters specifically? Who's be a name that resonates with a broader audience but not so expensive to hire as to be unavailable? Olivia Wilde maybe? Or has TRON Legacy put her out of the price range so to speak?

Modifié par Athayniel, 26 octobre 2011 - 09:06 .

[Athayniel]

elektrego wrote...

voices that turn me on: Alan Rickman on the male side, Anna Torv on the female side, Though Rickman would probably be rather expensive, but totally worth it, imo.

Would you want Anna Torv speaking in her native Aussie accent the way Yvonne does with Miranda?
*edit* you can hear it if you search youtube for "Anna Torv wraps a goat". I'm not kidding. And that wasn't a pun.

Modifié par Athayniel, 26 octobre 2011 - 09:43 .

[ElitePinecone]

elektrego wrote...

Athayniel wrote...


Would you want Anna Torv speaking in her native Aussie accent the way Yvonne does with Miranda?
*edit* you can hear it if you search youtube for "Anna Torv wraps a goat". I'm not kidding. And that wasn't a pun.

It's more the general timbre of her voice that enchants me, I would be fine either way.  I generally love accents and as a non-native speaker, every english accent has the exotic quality for me, that normally makes it attractive to us. 

I find Australian accents in games kinda grating, especially when they're exaggerated (or, heavens forbid, people start talking about the outback and kangaroos). It's probably because I hear them every day, but accents like Miranda's were oddly jarring.  

who would know wrote...
My attitude towards this is becoming more and more "too little, too late". The content is just so absent from the first two games.

While I understand this view, I think it's a little unfair to request (or any synonym of the term you want to use) the inclusion of s/s for two games, then express dissatisfaction when they're finally announced. I agree, I'd be as mad as anyone here if the content was half-baked, a gimmick, a throwaway for appeasement, watered-down or otherwise inferior. I would. 

Yes, s/s romances were possibly excluded from previous games because of risk-averse project management, cautious design decisions or a fear of the content turning away potential consumers - or perhaps it was a timing issue, or an issue of audience. I'm as dissatisfied with that as you are. 

But I don't think it's wise to look a gift horse in the mouth (and there's my weirdly placed metaphor for the day). Bioware don't have any obligation to provide anything in their games beyond what they think will sell well and will be used by as many people as it takes to justify the investment of *x* number of zots.
 
I'm all for righteous disappointment that the content wasn't there for the first two games, and I'd be the first person waving a pitchfork and torch if the s/s romances in ME3 are manifestly substandard. But until we get some more information, I think it's just a little harsh to shoot down what seems like a well intentioned move by Bioware just because they didn't include something in the past. 

Game development is a numbers business, and we don't actually have many numbers. It's been proven through this thread and others that a significant market and audience exists for this content, but developers aren't under any obligation to include it just because we say it's a good idea. That it's there at all in ME3 is, in my book, a good step forward for mainstream gaming. 

[Athayniel]

ElitePinecone wrote...

elektrego wrote...

Athayniel wrote...


Would you want Anna Torv speaking in her native Aussie accent the way Yvonne does with Miranda?
*edit* you can hear it if you search youtube for "Anna Torv wraps a goat". I'm not kidding. And that wasn't a pun.

It's more the general timbre of her voice that enchants me, I would be fine either way.  I generally love accents and as a non-native speaker, every english accent has the exotic quality for me, that normally makes it attractive to us. 

I find Australian accents in games kinda grating, especially when they're exaggerated (or, heavens forbid, people start talking about the outback and kangaroos). It's probably because I hear them every day, but accents like Miranda's were oddly jarring. 

Anna Torv's accent seems very mild, you can hear the difference in some vowel sounds but otherwise her accent is not that pronounced.

who would know wrote...
My attitude towards this is becoming more and more "too little, too late". The content is just so absent from the first two games.

While I understand this view, I think it's a little unfair to request (or any synonym of the term you want to use) the inclusion of s/s for two games, then express dissatisfaction when they're finally announced. I agree, I'd be as mad as anyone here if the content was half-baked, a gimmick, a throwaway for appeasement, watered-down or otherwise inferior. I would. 

Yes, s/s romances were possibly excluded from previous games because of risk-averse project management, cautious design decisions or a fear of the content turning away potential consumers - or perhaps it was a timing issue, or an issue of audience. I'm as dissatisfied with that as you are. 

But I don't think it's wise to look a gift horse in the mouth (and there's my weirdly placed metaphor for the day). Bioware don't have any obligation to provide anything in their games beyond what they think will sell well and will be used by as many people as it takes to justify the investment of *x* number of zots.
 
I'm all for righteous disappointment that the content wasn't there for the first two games, and I'd be the first person waving a pitchfork and torch if the s/s romances in ME3 are manifestly substandard. But until we get some more information, I think it's just a little harsh to shoot down what seems like a well intentioned move by Bioware just because they didn't include something in the past. 

Game development is a numbers business, and we don't actually have many numbers. It's been proven through this thread and others that a significant market and audience exists for this content, but developers aren't under any obligation to include it just because we say it's a good idea. That it's there at all in ME3 is, in my book, a good step forward for mainstream gaming.

It's interesting to note that Mass Effect not having a toolset and being player moddable contributes to the call for inclusiveness in the vanilla game. VO issues aside the DA:O toolset has reduced people's disappointment with particular characters being unavailable for s/s romance because they knew that mods would exist soon that enabled it. But that seems to be tied to the target platform for a particular game. DA is heavily focused on the PC whereas ME is a console game first.

Modifié par Athayniel, 26 octobre 2011 - 12:53 .

[who would know]

@Pinecone: I'm not trying to shoot anything down. I'm well over it not being in the first two games. More than anything, I'm lamenting the lack of info, because whether or not I even want to bother with this current Shep, weirdly enough, hinges very much on what BioWare is cooking up for him in ME3.

For example, my motivation to play him would return 100% if, say, Vega was confirmed as a gay romance option. Or, if I knew that he would have options. Not an option, but options. After all, hetero guySheps have had 5 potential love interests so far, and that's using the strict definition of the term. More loosely, they've had 7. That's practically a smorgasbord. And ME3 will offer even more.

Yet the possibility still lingers that the M/M romance will be just that: one token romance. And if we don't like it? Tough. Really, if a hetero guyShep can't pick from 7+ LIs, he's better off alone. But as far as we know, what my Shep has been holding out for may not even be something he will want to pursue. It kind of kills my motivation. I'd be good even if I just knew we'd be getting a variety.

Because otherwise, I gotta say, the vanilla male ME experience leaves me pretty cold.

[shepskisaac]

This belongs here:

By Shoko86!



My GayShep needs them both to be available in ME3!!! :wub:

Modifié par IsaacShep, 26 octobre 2011 - 01:50 .

[ElitePinecone]

Yeah, I agree about the info. I don't think we'll get any new knowledge any time soon, but it's definitely needed.

[jlb524]

who would know wrote...
More than anything, I'm lamenting the lack of info, because whether or not I even want to bother with this current Shep, weirdly enough, hinges very much on what BioWare is cooking up for him in ME3.

That's why I'm holding off on creating a new Shepard until after ME3 comes out.

I'm guessing we won't really know anything until then.

[Russalka]

I predict Bioware will give no clues until the release and some Russian or German game magazine will spoil it beforehand.

[shepskisaac]

Russalka wrote...

I predict Bioware will give no clues until the release and some Russian or German game magazine will spoil it beforehand.

Something will obviously leak before the game's release, it always does.

[Chun Hei]

I will spoil it now!

EVERYBODY WILL BE "BI" IN MASS EFFECT 3!!

That is because I plan to hold the Bioware staff hostage and force them to listen to Abispa reading Vogon poetry until they give in to my demands!

[thatguy212]

elektrego wrote...

So, the idea of Chakwas got me thinking and I would actually love someone like Bailey or Hackett for some of my maleSheps. Both are quite interesting male characters in my eyes. Though that is highly unlikely, someone a little older would be a nice addition to the choices.

On the female side, I found one of the femSheps I made recently taking an interest in Lizbeth Bayhnem and I wanted to ask, if someone knows what the status is on that "vigilante" character, that has been going around some time ago. The picture of that stunt woman/actress kind of reminded me of her and the idea that "Vigilante" might be Liz Bayhnem, who after seeing what ExoGeni did on Feros, went to fight the wrongdoings of the big corporations kind of intrigues me, though I am probably horribly wrong. But I said it anyway to maybe get some thoughts on that.

nonexistent, there never was a character named vigilante, that was just the part the actress played in the live action trailer

[jlb524]

Nyoka wrote...

I remember a tweet saying revealing this would be a huge spoiler so we get nothing. I think they didn't say anything about LIs before ME2 either.

I remember seeing vids of Sheploo hooking up with Miranda and Jack.  Plus, Hudson confirmed that Thane/Jacob were LIs for female Shepard in a QnA session.