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[King Minos]

Hairy man chest rubbing hair man chest isn't my thing but I really don't care, I will try both just to satisfy my curiosity and see what happens man on man or woman on woman. I have created alot of Sheps with a broad range of different choices, hopefullyeach Shepard will be a different experience which would extend the life of Mass Effect 3 for me. How would Ashley feel if Shepard dumped her for vega or Garrus? What about Liara dumped for Ashley?

[Ravensword]

Chun Hei wrote...

Bioware says that the s/s romances will be activated on how we have treated them in the past but I have been replaying my games and I find it difficult to understand what they mean. Tali loves male Shepard no matter what but it now matters how female Shepard treated her?

Well, your FemShep damn well better be treating her right.:happy:

In a way I find that funny since that means that the Tali s/s romance would be "more realistic" and "better written" than the o/s Talimance that has Tali standing in Engineering singing "I Wanna Be Your Dog" to herself all day. That irony would be delicious considering the attitudes of SOME Talimancers.

This is one of the reasons why I'm looking forward to a s/s Talimance. It makes me wonder if any ManShep that never romanced Tali in ME2 will be able to romance her in ME3. If that's the case and Tali is available for FemShep as well then that means that romance dialogue will be copy/pasted.

-snip-

Garrus already respects my male Shepard so I cannot wait to buy some glow in the dark condoms and recreate the scene from "Skin Deep." Glow in the dark claw hammer action!

Go on... oh, wait.

Modifié par Ravensword, 01 novembre 2011 - 12:51 .

[darthoptimus003]

one of my femsheps wants tali another wants miri and the 3rd stays with liara still wished 1@2 had s/s romances that b awsome like ash alot hints why manshep is still wit her i support s/s for tali miri and ash in me3 and also 1@2

[ElitePinecone]

@Chun Hei

Actually everything I've read about the romances says it's based on how you treat them in ME3, not ME2.

And remember that not every ME2 option will be available for re-romancing. I guess we'll have to wait and see what happens in the game to see who is available.

[MACharlie1]

I honestly can't imagine a Shepard being able to romance a Tali who handed in her father's evidence...then again we were able to romance her after withholding the Geth data in ME1....

[Chun Hei]

Ravensword wrote...

This is one of the reasons why I'm looking forward to a s/s Talimance. It makes me wonder if any ManShep that never romanced Tali in ME2 will be able to romance her in ME3. If that's the case and Tali is available for FemShep as well then that means that romance dialogue will be copy/pasted.

I do not think that IF Tali is a s/s romance that a male Shepard will be able to start a new romance with her. The comic at the start of the game will allow the player to say that Tali is already his lover. By saying that players WILL be able to start new romances with established LIs I believe Bioware has confirmed that at least some of the previous cast of LIs will be "retcon" as "bi" (Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!).

Of coure ElitePinecone has pointed this out before I believe. I do not want to plagarize.

[Quething]

MACharlie1 wrote...

I honestly can't imagine a Shepard being able to romance a Tali who handed in her father's evidence...then again we were able to romance her after withholding the Geth data in ME1....

That's a weird decision. Because you can do it to be a jerk, of course, which some people do. But you can also do it in complete indifference to Tali's feelings (because you don't think a girl's affection for her father is a legit reason to not seek justice for horrific war crimes), or even out of love for Tali (because you know how much the Fleet means to her and don't want her exiled). I can see Tali coming around to affection for a Shep who burned her at the trial. Maybe not within the timeframe of ME2->3, depending, but I don't think it's a lockout.

[Chun Hei]

I thought Tali died if you turned in the evidence of her father. She did in my game and that is what I blamed it on.

[bleetman]

She doesn't gain loyalty status if you turn over the evidence, but that isn't an automatic death sentence. It does make her survival a hell of a lot less likely, however. She's no Grunt or Zaeed, who can manage their suited role (holding the line at the end) without the bonus granted by being loyal. As far as Tali goes, I can't really imagine how you'd orchastrate her survival without her being loyal.

(Conversely, it's possible for a loyal character to snuff it if they're given an unsuitable role (Jacob in the vents, say), or in the final section if you took away too many resilient characters when they're holding the line. I lost Mordin to that part one time since I sent Zaeed off with the crew and took Garrus with me, which apparently didn't leave enough shoot-shooty types behind to cover everyone else.)

Modifié par bleetman, 01 novembre 2011 - 02:27 .

[jlb524]

Chun Hei wrote...
Bioware says that the s/s romances will be activated on how we have treated them in the past but I have been replaying my games and I find it difficult to understand what they mean. Tali loves male Shepard no matter what but it now matters how female Shepard treated her?

From what I know of the ME2 Tali romance (which is just what I've heard as I've never played it), her romance can only be triggered if you gain her loyalty in her mission.  So it does depend on how you treated her in ME2.  It doesn't depend on how you treated her in ME1, as someone mentioned.   Which is a bit odd considering that's when she apparently got the hots for you.  I'd imagine that most people who romanced her in ME2 were nice to her in ME1, though.

Ravensword wrote...
This is one of the reasons why I'm looking forward to a s/s Talimance. It makes me wonder if any ManShep that never romanced Tali in ME2 will be able to romance her in ME3. If that's the case and Tali is available for FemShep as well then that means that romance dialogue will be copy/pasted.

I would say that if they are going to allow new romances to start up with old Lis for s/s that they would also add that in for o/s romances.  Why not?

Regarding the copy/paste thing, I don't think that's necessarily a bad thing.  I'm not sure if 'copy/paste' is what they actually do in the case of bisexual LIs...they might develop both simultaneously for all we know.  They can do that given that the romances aren't really gendered.

Modifié par jlb524, 01 novembre 2011 - 02:56 .

[jtav]

Correct, and it goes for all LIs. You must gain their loyalty and not lose it in any confrontations. Jack also requires you not to have casual sex with her.

[SilentNukee]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

I thought Tali died if you turned in the evidence of her father. She did in my game and that is what I blamed it on.

Yeah - I thought everyone who wasn't loyal died?

Not all the time, there's a chart that tells you exactly the outcome to everything whether they're loyal or not.

[Quething]

It's actually pretty easy to keep Tali alive if disloyal if most of the rest of the team is loyal. Leave her on the line with loyal Zaeed, Garrus and Grunt and take, say, Mordin and Kasumi to the baby Reaper, you should be fine. Actually if you don't have Zaeed/Kasumi you only need three loyal squadmates to get the whole team out alive, IIRC. With Zaeed/Kasumi I think you need four or five (I don't recall correctly - that was from before we understood the HtL math completely. You need six loyal without DLC, seven loyal with). Anyway Butcher!Shep burned her at the trial (Butcher!Shep is psychologically incapable of non-scorched-earth responses to war crimes) and didn't lose anyone the first time around, I had to go back and replay it to get the teammates I wanted dead to actually die (and now I don't even remember who, which will be interesting in ME3).

But yes, you need loyalty for a romance, which IMO actually makes the romances a bit questionable in most cases - like, did I just buy your love, or what? It's one of the few things Jacob has going for him, that there does seem to be some flirtation and attraction even in the earlier conversations.

Also Nukee that Fluttershy is frighteningly hypnotic.

Modifié par Quething, 01 novembre 2011 - 03:25 .

[Destroy Raiden_]

Not really at least in my game an unloyal Miranda or anyone really who isn't taken anywhere with me the whole game will still be dead when fleeing for the ship you see some of the collectors begin to hunt shep down and their body not long after. I've actually had Miranda die on base and Jack just disappear the only ones who are immune to disloyalty are Zaeed and Kasumi sense they were DLCs anyway. I never get loyalty for Zaeed and will skip Kasumi's and neither die.

[lazuli]

Montezuma IV wrote...

Chun Hei wrote...

I thought Tali died if you turned in the evidence of her father. She did in my game and that is what I blamed it on.

Yeah - I thought everyone who wasn't loyal died?

Check out this thread for a detailed analysis of the Suicide Mission.  You can use it to determine who lives and who dies.  It's definitely not as simple as loyal = alive, disloyal = dead.

Edit: Wow.  Lots of horrendous misconceptions about the Suicide Mission being propagated here.  I guess its mechanics aren't exactly common knowledge, even on BSN.  Hmm.

Modifié par lazuli, 01 novembre 2011 - 04:06 .

[Abispa]

Only good things can happen if you let Grunt run the fire team if you've done NONE of the loyalty missions. Weeeeeeeeeeee!

[ElitePinecone]

jlb524 wrote...

I would say that if they are going to allow new romances to start up with old Lis for s/s that they would also add that in for o/s romances.  Why not?

Yeah, it's always a distinct possibility. 

But I interpreted "some LIs being available for re-romancing" as 'Ashley or Kaidan". 

ME2 was relatively recent compared to the first game (they could always argue 'just go back and play the o/s romance again if you want to'); the audience for ME2 was much larger and on more consoles (while PS3 players never got to play ME) and the fact that there are six LIs in ME2 rather than the three in ME makes me think it'd be harder to do. 

How would they pick which ME2 squaddies to make available? All of them? People would **** and moan on the BSN with the fury of a thousand suns. Just look at how many people scream about Garrus being their bro, and you'd get the idea. The freak-out over Anders was bad enough, and people didn't even really like him - certainly not to the 'I love you, bro, you're awesome' extent. The dudebro crowd would go insane. 

Plus, one or the other VS is guaranteed to be alive. ME2's squad situation is far more malleable, and we don't even know whether half of them will turn up as cameos or full squadmates. The writing is also easier (I think) for the VS - we've had three years of being apart, career changes in their lives, plus the horrible awkwardness that was Horizon. Plenty of grounds for things to emerge. 

Just my thoughts and baseless speculation. 

[FoxHound109]

The only member I had trouble keeping alive is Mordin. Even loyal his mortality rate is obscene. D:

Speaking of loyalty and romance, I realized the other day that I have never been ninjamanced in Mass Effect 2. Come to think of it, I actually have absolutely no idea of how to even start a romance between my manShep and any of the female crew members. Not that he would, since he clearly belongs to Vega.

How DOES one start a romance in ME 2? It was pretty easy on the first game and it's almost blatant in the DA series, but ME 2 had me scratching my head.

[ElitePinecone]

It's much harder, since the dialogue cues are more obvious ("I want you").

Tali requires you to respond positively to her spiel about linking suits, Miranda has a few opportunities (I think) and Jack asks you right out whether you want to have sex or whether you're interested in her romantically.

The only one I think I did have trouble with was Samara, there's a dialogue option in there that I remember picking which made my Shep say something weird.

[Ravensword]

Chun Hei wrote...

I do not think that IF Tali is a s/s romance that a male Shepard will be able to start a new romance with  her. The comic at the start of the game will allow the player to say  that Tali is already his lover. By saying that players WILL be able to  start new romances with established LIs I believe Bioware has confirmed  that at least some of the previous cast of LIs will be "retcon" as "bi"  (Bwa ha ha ha ha ha ha ha!).

Of coure ElitePinecone has pointed this out before I believe. I do not want to plagarize.

So if the player didn't choose to romance her in ME2 or in this comic then ge's lost his chance to do so, no? So if she's made available to FemShep then it might be solely in ME3 alone. Or does the comic allow you to choose s/s romances as well? I don't know much about the comic.

FoxHound109 wrote...

The only member I had trouble keeping alive is Mordin. Even loyal his mortality rate is obscene. D:

That's why you send Mordin back to the Normandy to escort the crew.

Modifié par Ravensword, 01 novembre 2011 - 08:20 .

[ElitePinecone]

Ravensword wrote...

So if the player didn't choose to romance her in ME2 or in this comic then ge's lost his chance to do so, no? So if she's made available to FemShep then it might be solely in ME3 alone. Or does the comic allow you to choose s/s romances as well? I don't know much about the comic.

The Genesis comic (the only one that exists at the moment) only works for ME decisions being imported into ME2. You decide things like the ME romance option, whether you saved the Council, etc.

For ME3, Bioware have said that they'll use 'previously on Mass Effect' videos to catch up new players, rather than have them make choices which seem a bit random. I'd assume that most of the early trial content will be about establishing the universe.

It's *possible* that new games in ME3 could choose some basic background details when creating a character (similar to DA2's choice about the Warden's actions), but I don't think it'd extend to romance options.

If Tali, say, were available as an s/s option in ME3, then I'd presume she'd also be an o/s option. It's always possible she could be an o/s option again without being an s/s option.

But I don't think she'll be either.

[Ravensword]

ElitePinecone wrote...

Ravensword wrote...

So if the player didn't choose to romance her in ME2 or in this comic then ge's lost his chance to do so, no? So if she's made available to FemShep then it might be solely in ME3 alone. Or does the comic allow you to choose s/s romances as well? I don't know much about the comic.

The Genesis comic (the only one that exists at the moment) only works for ME decisions being imported into ME2. You decide things like the ME romance option, whether you saved the Council, etc.

For ME3, Bioware have said that they'll use 'previously on Mass Effect' videos to catch up new players, rather than have them make choices which seem a bit random. I'd assume that most of the early trial content will be about establishing the universe.

It's *possible* that new games in ME3 could choose some basic background details when creating a character (similar to DA2's choice about the Warden's actions), but I don't think it'd extend to romance options.

If Tali, say, were available as an s/s option in ME3, then I'd presume she'd also be an o/s option. It's always possible she could be an o/s option again without being an s/s option.

But I don't think she'll be either.

I know about the Genesis comic. I just thought that they were gonna make something similar to the Genesis comic for ME3.

I'm hoping that she's both an o/s and an s/s option. The question is, why do you think that she won't be a romance option for Shepard in ME3?

[ladyofpayne]

After I heard Sbarge, I am sure Kaidan is Gay. Yeah.