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[Vertigo_1]

The Uncanny wrote...

Vertigo_1 wrote...

Damnit Uncanny... Ninjad!

*Drops Infiltrator cloak*

*Gives Vertigo a cookie*

*Reinstates Infiltrator cloak* 

Thanks! 

[Eternal Dust]

LiquidGrape wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

I'm sorry. What were you saying? I was too busy drooling at Catwoman.

mmm Michelle Pfeiffer....

Want to hear her...roar?

MEOWWW!

[The Uncanny]

Siansonea II wrote...

Oh hey Canny!—wait, where'd she go? *looks around*

*Drops Infiltrator cloak*

*Gives Sian a hug*

*Reinstates Infiltrator cloak* 

[shepskisaac]

octoberfire wrote...
I'm sorry. What were you saying? I was too busy drooling at Catwoman.

mmm Michelle Pfeiffer....

Michelle OOZES hotness as Catwoman. And this is coming from a 100% gay man.

[ArawnNox]

octoberfire wrote...

Gah, I need sanctuary here. The FemShep + Ashley thread is a hot zone right now

Thats why I'm here. Sensible posts about character development go unnoticed (e.g. mine), over there.

Edit: Got caught up and noticed the mention of the other thread getting locked. I suppose Chris' warning was simply a "we're locking threads, play nice" courtosey.

Modifié par ArawnNox, 16 juin 2011 - 05:14 .

[Siansonea]

IsaacShep wrote...

octoberfire wrote...
I'm sorry. What were you saying? I was too busy drooling at Catwoman.

mmm Michelle Pfeiffer....

Michelle OOZES hotness as Catwoman. And this is coming from a 100% gay man.

Nothing about sexuality says you can't recognize the inherent sexiness of the gender you're not attracted to. How else would we heterosexuals make ourselves sexy? Catwoman IS sexy. A new f/f option could take a few notes from her playbook, that's for sure. 

[Eternal Dust]

Siansonea II wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

octoberfire wrote...
I'm sorry. What were you saying? I was too busy drooling at Catwoman.

mmm Michelle Pfeiffer....

Michelle OOZES hotness as Catwoman. And this is coming from a 100% gay man.

Nothing about sexuality says you can't recognize the inherent sexiness of the gender you're not attracted to. How else would we heterosexuals make ourselves sexy? Catwoman IS sexy. A new f/f option could take a few notes from her playbook, that's for sure. 

Catwoman for f/f in ME3!!!

[Siansonea]

ArawnNox wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Gah, I need sanctuary here. The FemShep + Ashley thread is a hot zone right now

Thats why I'm here. Sensible posts about character development go unnoticed (e.g. mine), over there.

Well, you should repost them here! We'd all like to discuss the options, and we're all respectful of others' right to have a different preference for same-sex implementation. There have been some great posts in this thread. DrBobcat did a wonderful post about MaleShep/Kaidan a couple of pages back, anyone who missed it should really check it out.

[LiquidGrape]

General question: if previous characters are elaborated upon to express romantic interest in a Shepard of either sex, would you prefer it if this be dealt with explicitly or implicitly?

As in, would you favour a scene in which Miranda explains why she wouldn't previously pursue a relationship with a female Shepard, or one in which the subject isn't rendered an issue?

[The Uncanny]

LiquidGrape wrote...

General question: if previous characters are elaborated upon to express romantic interest in a Shepard of either sex, would you prefer it if this be dealt with explicitly or implicitly?

As in, would you favour a scene in which Miranda explains why she wouldn't previously pursue a relationship with a female Shepard, or one in which the subject isn't rendered an issue?

The latter. I don't see why it should be an issue.

[Eternal Dust]

The Uncanny wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

General question: if previous characters are elaborated upon to express romantic interest in a Shepard of either sex, would you prefer it if this be dealt with explicitly or implicitly?

As in, would you favour a scene in which Miranda explains why she wouldn't previously pursue a relationship with a female Shepard, or one in which the subject isn't rendered an issue?

The latter. I don't see why it should be an issue.

I also prefer the latter. Making a big scene out of it would just seem forced.

[Siansonea]

LiquidGrape wrote...

General question: if previous characters are elaborated upon to express romantic interest in a Shepard of either sex, would you prefer it if this be dealt with explicitly or implicitly?

As in, would you favour a scene in which Miranda explains why she wouldn't previously pursue a relationship with a female Shepard, or one in which the subject isn't rendered an issue?

Hmmm, that's is a good question. For me, I'd want it to be addressed, but it doesn't have to be spelled out in huge letters. It could be something as simple as Shepard saying "This is new" and the LI saying "It's new for me too, how about it?" Or you know, something that's actually written well. 

[shepskisaac]

LiquidGrape wrote...

General question: if previous characters are elaborated upon to express romantic interest in a Shepard of either sex, would you prefer it if this be dealt with explicitly or implicitly?

As in, would you favour a scene in which Miranda explains why she wouldn't previously pursue a relationship with a female Shepard, or one in which the subject isn't rendered an issue?

Openly for me. Like Tali admitted she was shy and like Garrus admitted he just didn't consider it before. This way it's just part of the story. Like I've said many times, Kaidan admits to FemShep he didn't realize she preferred her own gender (in the Liara-Kaidan-FemShep triangle scene), so he shold tell the same to ManShep when explaining why he didn't hit at him. It doesn't have to be any big issue. But it should be addressed IMO.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 16 juin 2011 - 05:16 .

[The Uncanny]

Siansonea II wrote...
It could be something as simple as Shepard saying "This is new" and the LI saying "It's new for me too, how about it?" Or you know, something that's actually written well. 

No, I like that. 

That would be fine. It would deal with it and not make a big thing of it all in a couple of lines.

[LiquidGrape]

Personally, I don't think the matter should be blown out of proportion. There's really no need for it.
Some playful addressing the subject, like Sian suggested, however, I could see working to great effect.

[ArawnNox]

Siansonea II wrote...

ArawnNox wrote...

octoberfire wrote...

Gah, I need sanctuary here. The FemShep + Ashley thread is a hot zone right now

Thats why I'm here. Sensible posts about character development go unnoticed (e.g. mine), over there.

Well, you should repost them here! We'd all like to discuss the options, and we're all respectful of others' right to have a different preference for same-sex implementation. There have been some great posts in this thread. DrBobcat did a wonderful post about MaleShep/Kaidan a couple of pages back, anyone who missed it should really check it out.

Well, in summation of what I said over there, a good, well written, well developed character will change in response to the story and the characters they interact with. (Using how Liara goes from wide-eyed curious innocence to hardened information broker as an example) This is true of people as well as literary characters. People can and do change their opinions, beliefs, and values over time. Sometimes they can be quite drastic in a short time.

Okay, I'm not summerizing anymore, so let me see if I can remember what else I mentioned.

In another thread discussing Jacob, I hit upon the realization that his character is disliked because he's static. He's already over his daddy issues as the game begins and his values aren't impacted after his loyalty mission. I mention him as a way to reinforce the character change and development. (Feel free to correct me on this, but that's what I recall).

Finally, I brought up how sexuality is just a part of what makes up a character and in no way needs to define them or their personality. Take Maya from Evangelion. She's gay and gay for Ritsuko. This never comes up over the course of the series (it may in other forms of the series or in the movies, I'm not sure). Her crush on her boss is never mentioned and it doesn't define her in that "Oh, have I mentioned I'm gay/bi/straight" trope.

Really, I'll take whatever Bioware offers us for s/s romances and be happy that we got one at all. I seem to be one of the minority who can enjoy the Bioware RPGs for what they are, rather than hate on them for what they arn't (like the hate for DA2. I cant go into those forums anymore, it's getting so out of hand).

There. Discuss! ^^

[Lenimph]

I agree with the last one. It shouldn't be an issue because Shep wouldn't know otherwise.

[Erani]

LiquidGrape wrote...

Personally, I don't think the matter should be blown out of proportion. There's really no need for it.
Some playful addressing the subject, like Sian suggested, however, I could see working to great effect.

I agree with this. No need to make a big deal out of it imo.

[ArawnNox]

Siansonea II wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

General question: if previous characters are elaborated upon to express romantic interest in a Shepard of either sex, would you prefer it if this be dealt with explicitly or implicitly?

As in, would you favour a scene in which Miranda explains why she wouldn't previously pursue a relationship with a female Shepard, or one in which the subject isn't rendered an issue?

Hmmm, that's is a good question. For me, I'd want it to be addressed, but it doesn't have to be spelled out in huge letters. It could be something as simple as Shepard saying "This is new" and the LI saying "It's new for me too, how about it?" Or you know, something that's actually written well. 

I agree with this. It doesn't need to be a big "coming out" scene, but it shouldn't be entierly hand-waved either.

[ArawnNox]

IsaacShep wrote...

LiquidGrape wrote...

General question: if previous characters are elaborated upon to express romantic interest in a Shepard of either sex, would you prefer it if this be dealt with explicitly or implicitly?

As in, would you favour a scene in which Miranda explains why she wouldn't previously pursue a relationship with a female Shepard, or one in which the subject isn't rendered an issue?

Openly for me. Like Tali admitted she was shy and like Garrus admitted he just didn't consider it before. This way it's just part of the story. Like I've said many times, Kaidan admits to FemShep he didn't realize she preferred her own gender (in the Liara-Kaidan-FemShep triangle scene), so he shold tell the same to ManShep when explaining why he didn't hit at him. It doesn't have to be any big issue. But it should be addressed IMO.

The rejecting Kaiden scenes are pretty well handled, too as he takes it as "miss-reading signals". Its something I'm familiar with: "Oh, hey, I think she likes me! Oh, wait, she's just being nice...."

[The Uncanny]

Lenimph wrote...

I agree with the last one. It shouldn't be an issue because Shep wouldn't know otherwise.

That's a really good point. Sometimes people just fall for each other even if they've known each other for years. There isn't any real need to say 'Hey... why didn't we jump into bed together at point x?'

It didn't happen then. It happened now. Simple as that.

[bleetman]

I shouldn't think it'd be necessary to spell it out, but it's probably worth addressing. What I wouldn't want to see is a character explaining why they're available now in terms of contrasting it with opposite-gender-Shepard. As in, an explanation tied into the plot events and only if necessary, rather than one ostentatiously being there to explain why man-Shepard got to jump their bones the last time, but fem-Shepard didn't. Or the other way around. I wouldn't want, say, Miranda explaining the situation just for the sake of it, for no other reason than because she was available for men in ME2 but not for women, and this is an irregularity that must be justified.

That didn't feel like it made much sense as I wanted it to. Meh.

The Uncanny wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

I agree with the last one. It shouldn't be an issue because Shep wouldn't know otherwise.

That's
a really good point. Sometimes people just fall for each other even if
they've known each other for years. There isn't any real need to say
'Hey... why didn't we jump into bed together at point x?'

It didn't happen then. It happened now. Simple as that.

Right! Like that, yes.

Modifié par bleetman, 16 juin 2011 - 05:33 .

[ArawnNox]

The Uncanny wrote...

Lenimph wrote...

I agree with the last one. It shouldn't be an issue because Shep wouldn't know otherwise.

That's a really good point. Sometimes people just fall for each other even if they've known each other for years. There isn't any real need to say 'Hey... why didn't we jump into bed together at point x?'

It didn't happen then. It happened now. Simple as that.

And I think that's much more... meaningful? Powerful? Real? Than a "we met and fell in lover over the course of a 30-60 hour game"

I very much enjoy the idea of a romance blossoming from, "We knew each other for a long time, fought side by side, shed blood, argued through misunderstandings, and came to rely on eath other." At least, thats how I envision a fem!shep/Ashley romance happening.

[Siansonea]

For me also, I'd like for Shep to be able to make overtures to non-receptive NPCs, and get shot down. I'd like to role-play Shepard as being able to express interest in a character, and have the character be able to refuse Shepard's advances if Shepard isn't his/her type—for whatever reason. I don't think it should always be a sexuality issue either. Some people might not like Shepard's shady dealings with Cerberus, or the Alliance background, or maybe they have an issue with a decision that Shepard made that affected them, directly or indirectly. I know that would be complicated from a programming standpoint, but it would be very engaging, I think. Plus I have a douchebag/Renegade/Ladies' Man Infiltrator who really should be hitting on everything in a skirt, and he's been a tad too much of a "serial monogamist" in the first two games. 

[jlb524]

LiquidGrape wrote...

General question: if previous characters are elaborated upon to express romantic interest in a Shepard of either sex, would you prefer it if this be dealt with explicitly or implicitly?

As in, would you favour a scene in which Miranda explains why she wouldn't previously pursue a relationship with a female Shepard, or one in which the subject isn't rendered an issue?

I'm not sure it should be an issue, simply b/c Female Shepard doesn't know Miranda was available to romance this "Male Shepard" person in ME2.