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[ElitePinecone]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also if those spoilers are true I hope to god a certain someone isn't a s/s romance option. They clearly think my Shep is a monster and they can go kick rocks. ****. 

Word. In that choice the odds are completely stacked against them. Something like 99% against them. 

I'm going to find that *such* a difficult choice, if it's in the final game. Frankly I hope it isn't, because I hate scripted deaths. 

But if one of them is indeed an s/s option, I'll know who to save. 

Plus we can always persuade them that Shepard isn't a monster. It's not entirely their fault that Kai Leng is so sly. 

[Ryzaki]

The only sad thing about the "choice" is that if I try to let Shep stay still and let both parties die Shep dies.

Now that's BS. Shepard should be able to crawl the hell away while going "Bye b******! Survival of the fittest!"

[FoxHound109]

ElitePinecone wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Also if those spoilers are true I hope to god a certain someone isn't a s/s romance option. They clearly think my Shep is a monster and they can go kick rocks. ****. 

Word. In that choice the odds are completely stacked against them. Something like 99% against them. 

I'm going to find that *such* a difficult choice, if it's in the final game. Frankly I hope it isn't, because I hate scripted deaths. 

But if one of them is indeed an s/s option, I'll know who to save. 

Plus we can always persuade them that Shepard isn't a monster. It's not entirely their fault that Kai Leng is so sly. 

I don't want to spoil anything, but the other choice is the logical one for about a billion reasons, not least being the the other choice would be infinitely more useful to Shepard in the war. This "choice" is bullsh*t, to be honest. A completely unfair and cheap jab by the writers to force drama on the player by giving them an emotional choice and a logical one, but in the worst means possible. UGH!

[Ryzaki]

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And if that choice between the VS and character X stays?

LOL VS will die in droves. Character X is a fan favorite. VS has a hilariously low chance of being saved. (and no I'm not saying no one will save him/her but I'm of the mind it'll be like the amount of people who saved Kaidan vs Ashley with the VS having Kaidan's percentage.)
 

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Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 novembre 2011 - 05:37 .

[ElitePinecone]

@Fox - yeah, I know who the other option is. It's still going to be difficult.

I don't think any of my Shepards would be that cold and calculating about who lives and dies.

[FoxHound109]

Ryzaki wrote...

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Careful! We're moving into spoiler territory now! Make sure you mark your post appropriately for others! 

As far as being a fan favorite: even if character X wasn't a fan favorite, I can list about ten reasons off of the top of my head as to why character X would be the logical choice for Shepard. Fan favorite or not, it's clearly the better option of the two. If is this true, Bioware really failed to create a truly difficult choice.

[FoxHound109]

ElitePinecone wrote...

@Fox - yeah, I know who the other option is. It's still going to be difficult.

I don't think any of my Shepards would be that cold and calculating about who lives and dies.

The problem for me is that I don't think of it in cold and calculating ways. I just think my Shep would be really hurt at being mistrusted by choice one so many times and then being WELL YOU KNOW. Plus, my Shep has close ties to choice one and choice two, so thinking logically about is pretty all he's got left to make that decision.

[Ryzaki]

ElitePinecone wrote...

@Fox - yeah, I know who the other option is. It's still going to be difficult.

I don't think any of my Shepards would be that cold and calculating about who lives and dies.

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You have soft bellied paragon Sheps don't you.  

Most of my Sheps if they're really stuck in that situation will pick the most useful squaddie. The Reapers *must* be defeated so that others can be spared the pain of watching someone they know die. So yes they will pick the must valuable character. 

And that's for my paragons too. 

That said if this was between Garrus and Character X I'd have a problem. After saving character X my Shep'd start cutting his wrists and listening to Linkin Park while screaming CRAWLING IN MY SKIIIIIINNN like a emo prat. 

Does help that character X has trusted you through thick and thin, is the reason Shep has his position and no matter what has always believed in Shep while the other does *spoiler* like a ******. Like really I didn't like the VS before. I absolutely detest them now. 


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Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 novembre 2011 - 05:38 .

[ElitePinecone]

Seeing as both of my main Sheps are either romantically involved with character one, or want to be (depending on whether they're available)....

I think character X is gonna bite the dust. A shame, if it stays in.

I guess the thing about forcing a choice so early on (isn't it on Mars?) is that it alters some of the other game missions where having either character one or X changes stuff a lot.

E.g. there's a sidequest about character X, and character one changes.. uh.. the mission where you return to a location from ME.

[FoxHound109]

No, the choice is MUCH later than mars. Mars is a whole 'nother problem involving a "Fembot" (I ROFFLE every time I type that out). It's much later if you look at the events surrounding it.

I hope this changed for the final product. I understand that the game has to have hard choices, but this choice is pretty sh*t...along with that OTHER choice that involves a commando that shall go unexplained. Absolutely awful in ever way. Not because they're hard, but because it's, honest to God, bad writing!

Modifié par FoxHound109, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:19 .

[Ryzaki]

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ElitePinecone wrote...

Seeing as both of my main Sheps are either romantically involved with character one, or want to be (depending on whether they're available)....

I think character X is gonna bite the dust. A shame, if it stays in.

I guess the thing about forcing a choice so early on (isn't it on Mars?) is that it alters some of the other game missions where having either character one or X changes stuff a lot.

E.g. there's a sidequest about character X, and character one changes.. uh.. the mission where you return to a location from ME.

It does add replay value though. Especially if the amount of banter stays like we saw in the leaked demo. 

I'd love if you lost some things due to killing off the one you didn't save, maybe the VS family gets pissed or you lose valuable intel due to killing off character X that could've saved lives, stuff like that. 

Though yes sacrificing the VS on my Shep that romanced them is gonna be awkward. I really hope they don't notice you crawling for the other and then start screaming or anything. That'll be really awkward. (Though it could be powerful if done right). 

@Fox: speak for yourself. I think it's mc Awesome writing.  
 
 
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Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 novembre 2011 - 05:40 .

[FoxHound109]

Ryzaki wrote...

Though yes sacrificing the VS on my Shep that romanced them is gonna be awkward.

The problem I have with this is that, from what I've read...

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The V.S. is very much willing to sacrifice YOU on the word of Udina, of all people. It's kind of hard for me to show them mercy when they turn that easily

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Modifié par FoxHound109, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:24 .

[jeweledleah]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Though yes sacrificing the VS on my Shep that romanced them is gonna be awkward.

The problem I have with this is that, from what I've read...

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and this is why I hope to everything that's holy AND unholy that this bul**** scene and the other bull**** scene never makes it into the actual game.  becasue it sounds a little too much like - lets give in to the haters and give them some more fuel and vindication for their hate.  and as for the promices we made to the fans?  those silly muppets, they actualy thought we were serious when we said they would be rewarded? 

seriously before the tweet and the post from Jesse, I could have sworn that it was fanfiction written by a renegade, certain character hater.

Modifié par jeweledleah, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:29 .

[FoxHound109]

Oh, awesome! I can make the text dark gray and people can't read it unless they highlight it! SPOILER TAGS FOUND!

Anyway, why I think this choice is going to be absolutely stupid...

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Other than being the L.I. I just can't see a good reason to save the V.S. Worse yet, even IF the V.S. is your Shepard's L.I. of choice, I don't know about you but I would feel pretty betrayed that they would basically THREATEN TO KILL ME and side with other people they don't even know. Not the least because BOTH Ashley and Kaidan KNOW Udina and know he's not trustworthy even if when he isn't indoctrinated.

Heck, the Specter status is useless at this point anyway. It's not like the council is going to be able to do anything of importance at this point since everyone is already alerted to the Reaper invasions. His/her rank is useless. At MOST he/she might have access to certain information and data banks that are classified by the council.

Couple that with who the V.S. has to compete with and it isn't even a choice at all. Liara was the only one who searched for Shepard's body, she put herself at incredible risk to save him, she's been there for him time and time again, and she has too many good qualities to pass up. She's an incredibly powerful biotic capable of deflecting sniper bullets with her biotic shields IN-STORY, her abilities IN-GAME are kind of over the top (Warp, singularity, AND biotic ammo?), she has been shown to be capable of handling herself extremely well against a very powerful Asari specter, AND she's the Shadow Broker. She has more information in her data banks than probably the Alliance and council put together. I would argue that only the Illusive Man could probably compete with her in the field of information.

Then throw in the fact that, gameplay wise, Ashley is a soldier who can probably be sufficiently replaced by Vega/Shepard and Kaidan is a biotic who probably won't compare to Liara/Shepard and you more or less realize that choosing the V.S. over Liara would be absolute insanity.

This is utterly cheap thought process from the Bioware writers. Choices are only choices if they actually have an impact and either choice has equal weight. These choices are completely unbalanced. It's bad writing.





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Modifié par FoxHound109, 07 novembre 2011 - 08:32 .

[Sherbet Lemon]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Ryzaki wrote...

Though yes ....

The problem I have with this is that, from what I've read...

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WAIT......

WHAT???

Dude, I have no issue with the **...but..no way if that's true!!!  :/ 

Modifié par Village Idiot, 07 novembre 2011 - 09:42 .

[FoxHound109]

Bah, I can't get the color of the text to change! GRR!

Also, guys, if you're going to quote me, just snip out the spoilerific parts since people might not see the BIG RED spoiler tags on the quotes.

[ElitePinecone]

FoxHound109 wrote...
along with that OTHER choice that involves a commando that shall go unexplained

Yeah, I didn't understand this in the slightest. 

Unless there's a character called Commando. 

Although - if character Y isn't around due to ME2, a random commando could be their replacement. 

It sucks though, because then it implies we're forced to lose Y even if they're alive. 

[Sherbet Lemon]

Yeah, sorry.  I realized after I posted and edited.  So sorry... 

[ElitePinecone]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Oh, awesome! I can make the text dark gray and people can't read it unless they highlight it! SPOILER TAGS FOUND!

Anyway, why I think this choice is going to be absolutely stupid...

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Yeah, I do understand this process. 

And having character one do what they do based on an extremely untrustworthy source seems incredibly stupid. 

No amount of change in a few years could ever, ever justify trusting that slimy person who has already betrayed us once. 

So I agree that a case could be made that character one is vastly inferior to the other choice when you stack them side by side. Not just in what they've done story-wise, but their ability and power in the universe. 

But screw it, if I'm romancing character one I'll save them regardless. Let Shep be blinded by love for once. 

... that is, unless One's writing is terrible and their motivations stupid. I can forgive being duped by KL, less so the slimy guy, but it'd be worse if One developed their suspicions on their own. 

[FoxHound109]

ElitePinecone wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...
along with that OTHER choice that involves a commando that shall go unexplained

Yeah, I didn't understand this in the slightest. 

Unless there's a character called Commando. 

Although - if character Y isn't around due to ME2, a random commando could be their replacement. 

It sucks though, because then it implies we're forced to lose Y even if they're alive. 

Even worse is that the choice makes no sense. Why would I pick X over Commando/Y when X has proven to be an incredible liability? FAIL, Bioware! EPIC FAIL!

[Ryzaki]

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@Fox: I had forgotten that part. The VS can screw themselves. Choosing Udina over Shepard? Well screw you too.

That character X is such a better choice is just icing on the cake.
 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 novembre 2011 - 05:42 .

[FoxHound109]

What utterly annoys me is that I went through THREE separate gameplays trying my best to avoid Ashley ninjamancing me so I could keep her with me at all times in ME 3. This is REALLY annoying. =|

[Ryzaki]

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FoxHound109 wrote...

What utterly annoys me is that I went through THREE separate gameplays trying my best to avoid Ashley ninjamancing me so I could keep her with me at all times in ME 3. This is REALLY annoying. =|

Everyone can *finally* die. 

Off comes the plotshield.  

That said she can still come with you...you just gotta get rid of one of the most valuable squaddies in the game. 


And this site needs spoiler tags. 

Modifié par Ryzaki, 08 novembre 2011 - 05:43 .

[Maugrim]

Ok people remember spoiler warnings are kinda useless you actually hide the spoiler with the proper color tag so it disappears and you have to highlight to read.  Just like this see how it works now!

The proper square to select on the text color menu is the upper right one.  Also don't quote spoiler taged stuff because the color code is stripped.

[brain_damage]

THE COLOR TAGS ARE NOT WORKING FOR ME

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And here I was, hoping that the VS would be a s/s romance option. Well right now I don't care and it doesn't matter, because the VS is going to die a violent death while I save the one person who has constantly helped Shepard, trusted them and even saved their lives. You're really hard to love, VS. And I didn't even like Liara in the first game. 



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