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[dewayne31]

umm can someone pm me this info...now i'm curious

[FoxHound109]

Red by Full Metal Jacket wrote...

FoxHound109 wrote...

Except...

Do we? We only see 5 seconds of Vega, tops.

Enough to know he's not really a dudebro. Thus far at least.

[Quething]

@Backlash: Apart from everything else, that combined with the not-squadmate thing makes me worry pretty strongly about the "look, you dudebros never have to talk to or touch the dirty queers" undertones. It feels uncomfortably like pandering to the "get your ****** off my Garrus, you can have your own new sick perv characters that I can just ignore/airlock" crowd.

[Collider]

bleetman wrote...

Well. That's... not exactly what I was hoping for. If those're the only ones available my enthusiasm regarding the inclusion of s/s romance is going to wane a little, regardless of how good they turn out to be.

Doesn't seem like any of the ME2 love interests are s/s. Tali even mentions finding men attractive.
Makes sense, most of them are temps.

[jlb524]

bleetman wrote...

Well. That's... not exactly what I was hoping for. If those're the only ones available my enthusiasm regarding the inclusion of s/s romance is going to wane a little, regardless of how good they turn out to be.

How could can they be with everything else they have to do?

And considering they won't be part of the 'core' romances I doubt they'll get as much dev attention.

[FoxHound109]

Meh. I know the romance could probably be even better than the regular ones, but I don't think I'd care for Shepard to romance anybody that didn't really go on missions with him and fight right beside him.

[Quething]

Collider wrote...

Bioware can claim whatever they want, but Liara with female Shepard is same sex.

BioWare can't claim Liara's not a woman and then also claim she's sufficient female s/s love interest to meet the needs of fairness.

FoxHound109 wrote...

Meh. I know the romance could probably be even better than the regular ones, but I don't think I'd care for Shepard to romance anybody that didn't really go on missions with him and fight right beside him.

Yeah, Main!Shep doesn't date noncoms, period. It's part of her most basic bit of characterization. One of many reasons why just one LI is a pretty poor sop.

Modifié par Quething, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:13 .

[Quething]

dp <_<

Modifié par Quething, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:12 .

[jlb524]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Meh. I know the romance could probably be even better than the regular ones, but I don't think I'd care for Shepard to romance anybody that didn't really go on missions with him and fight right beside him.

That's how I feel.

meh

[FoxHound109]

Quething wrote...


@Backlash: Apart from everything else, that combined with the -snip- makes me worry pretty strongly about the "look, you dudebros never have to talk to or touch the dirty queers" undertones. It feels uncomfortably like pandering to the "get your ****** off my Garrus, you can have your own new sick perv characters that I can just ignore/airlock" crowd.

Yeah, this. I know it's an unfair assessment to make on my part, but I suppose at the core of the problem is exactly what you said. It makes it feel less like they would include a real M/M romance and more like smokes and mirrors to satisfy both sides.

[Comsky159]

I don't remember seeing any S/S/romance in general spoilers anywhere New transcript or something?

Anyway assuming truth at this point I'll be banking with Foxhound's theory on the previous page, it would make sense and no-one would have any legitimate reason to whine. On another note, gay exclusive would be extremely refreshing. For once Bioware wouldn't just be recycling character romances to keep everyone happy, and as a result they'll feel a lot more genuine imo.

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

bleetman wrote...

Well. That's... not exactly what I was hoping for. If those're the only ones available my enthusiasm regarding the inclusion of s/s romance is going to wane a little, regardless of how good they turn out to be.

Doesn't seem like any of the ME2 love interests are s/s. Tali even mentions finding men attractive.
Makes sense, most of them are temps.

So pretty much we're down to VS & Vega as the only possible s/s LIs that may still happen?

Quething wrote...

that makes me worry pretty strongly about the "look, you dudebros never have to talk to or touch the dirty queers" undertones.

This

Modifié par IsaacShep, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:15 .

[Collider]

With all due respect...from what I know and seen, it's hardly AT ALL reasonable to start suggesting that Bioware doesn't respect gays right now. It's a little infuriating to see this.

Modifié par Collider, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:16 .

[FoxHound109]

Quething wrote...

BioWare can't claim Liara's not a woman and then also claim she's sufficient female s/s love interest to meet the needs of fairness.

Only if they come to their senses.

Modifié par FoxHound109, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:15 .

[shepskisaac]

Collider wrote...

With all due respect...from what I know , it's hardly AT ALL reasonable to start suggesting that Bioware doesn't respect gays right now.

True. However, if the only m/m LI is really a non-squadmate, will you think BioWare didn't do it on purpouse so that bigoted players don't have to even deal with them/take on missions?

[Irkalla]

Still waiting for a PM with the link to the new romance bits..IF it exists. Sounds too good to be true.

[FoxHound109]

Collider wrote...

With all due respect...from what I know , it's hardly AT ALL reasonable to start suggesting that Bioware doesn't respect gays right now.

We're not really saying that they don't. Respect is a sort of personal thing, but when it comes to business they will do whatever it takes to make the most money. It has nothing to do with a lack of respect, it's just how businesses work. If they feel they can use one non-essential crew member to satisfy the need of S/S-ers and anti-S/Sers then they're going to do it.

[Collider]

IsaacShep wrote...

Collider wrote...

With all due respect...from what I know , it's hardly AT ALL reasonable to start suggesting that Bioware doesn't respect gays right now.

True. However, if the only m/m LI is really a non-squadmate, will you think BioWare didn't do it on purpouse so that bigoted players don't have to even deal with them/take on missions?

We don't know if the VS or Vega is S/S. At all. In fact, it seems the chances for them have gotten BETTER, not worse.

And think about the role of this M/M guy on the team. Shepard HAS to bring him along.

[Collider]

FoxHound109 wrote...

Collider wrote...

With all due respect...from what I know , it's hardly AT ALL reasonable to start suggesting that Bioware doesn't respect gays right now.

We're not really saying that they don't. Respect is a sort of personal thing, but when it comes to business they will do whatever it takes to make the most money. It has nothing to do with a lack of respect, it's just how businesses work. If they feel they can use one non-essential crew member to satisfy the need of S/S-ers and anti-S/Sers then they're going to do it.

I honestly don't know how you could say he's non essential. That's like saying Joker is non essential.

[Quething]

Collider wrote...

With all due respect...from what I know and seen, it's hardly AT ALL reasonable to start suggesting that Bioware doesn't respect gays right now. It's a little infuriating to see this.

Who's saying that? Because I don't see that anywhere here.

I do see a lot of really reasonable concerns about whether their execution of their attempts to show their respect for us as customers will be satisfactory or problematic. Which, given the track record of the industry in general and BioWare in particular, and what we've heard so far, is completely fair and warranted.

Modifié par Quething, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:21 .

[dewayne31]

Irkalla wrote...

Still waiting for a PM with the link to the new romance bits..IF it exists. Sounds too good to be true.

i second that but i saw something bout miranda's romance in her thread last night or earlier today

[Blacklash93]

Beggers can't be choosers, as they say.

As long as the romances are as fleshed out as the squadmate ones, I see no reason to raise hell, although I can understand how people would see this as pandering to the anti-S/S crowd.

Regardless, I'd be heartbroken if Vega wasn't an option!

Modifié par Blacklash93, 10 novembre 2011 - 01:22 .

[FoxHound109]

Collider wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

Collider wrote...

With all due respect...from what I know , it's hardly AT ALL reasonable to start suggesting that Bioware doesn't respect gays right now.

True. However, if the only m/m LI is really a non-squadmate, will you think BioWare didn't do it on purpouse so that bigoted players don't have to even deal with them/take on missions?

We don't know if the VS or Vega is S/S. At all. In fact, it seems the chances for them have gotten BETTER, not worse.

And think about the role of this M/M guy on the team. Shepard HAS to bring him along.

Bringing him on the shuttle doesn't really count though, because it's highly doubtful that you'll trigger a romance with him in mid flight. You'll probably have to go looking for him on the Normandy when you're back inside.

I'm not sure about Vega and V.S.'s chances getting better here, to be honest.

[Collider]

Quething wrote...

Collider wrote...

With all due respect...from what I know and seen, it's hardly AT ALL reasonable to start suggesting that Bioware doesn't respect gays right now. It's a little infuriating to see this.

Yeah, um... who's saying that? Because I don't see that anywhere here.

I do see a lot of really reasonable concerns about whether their execution of their attempts to show their respect for us as customers will be satisfactory or problematic. Which, given the track record of the industry in general and BioWare in particular, and what we've heard so far, is completely fair and warranted.

I am seeing people suggest that Bioware has made the romances to cater to the bigots.

[PMC65]

dewayne31 wrote...

Irkalla wrote...

Still waiting for a PM with the link to the new romance bits..IF it exists. Sounds too good to be true.

i second that but i saw something bout miranda's romance in her thread last night or earlier today

I think people are now just making stuff up. I'll wait until either Bioware confirms or in-game.