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[jeweledleah]

IsaacShep wrote...

If any of the old characters is revealed as bi with a fitting explanation why they weren't available before, then no consistency would suffer. Or perhaps there doesn't need to be any kind of an explanation actually. It's not like FemShep knows that Ashley (for example) was hitting on ManShep so she doesn't need to ask "why were you hitting on my alternate reality male self in ME1 an not on me?" ;P In FemShep's universe, the developement of the relationship between FemShep & Ashley may simply be different.

no, that would be character inconsistency.  because that means Ashley I get with my malesheps is not the same Ashley that I get with my femsheps.  I would like for it to be the same Ashley.  and while we are at it, it would have been lovely if they had actualy tracked paragoning/ renegading characters.  for character consistency.  different development is fine as long as it fits into an overal narative.  so if Ashley didn't say anything to femshep before, there has to be a reason.  good one.  becasue I, the player know.

but again, if they cannot even keep the characters consistent within a single playthrough...  and concidering some of the spoilers and behaviors that directly contracdict prior characterisation... what I want and what I'll get are unforutnately not the same thing

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

no, that would be character inconsistency.  because that means Ashley I get with my malesheps is not the same Ashley that I get with my femsheps.

No, it's your Shep that's not the same and Ashley like any human being will react differently when interacting with male or a female. The differences may be minimal, but may change significantly their interaction and how it proceeds.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 20 novembre 2011 - 02:13 .

[wolf99000]

slimgrin wrote...

wolf99000 wrote...

I am a bi girl and I have no problem with a gay character from what I have seen its mostly the straight people more guys than girls that dont want it but the main thing is from what we know now the full gay option is in the game already

I'm a straight male and I've encouraged a gay character for over two years now. But the gay/bi community here doesn't want that. They would rather Bioware compromise, and make the magic Bi-button a feature....WTF?? 

I would not say they dont want it I think the whole bi thing comes in when we are talking about the VS as they have already got a fully gay man and women in game from what has come out

[jeweledleah]

IsaacShep wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

no, that would be character inconsistency.  because that means Ashley I get with my malesheps is not the same Ashley that I get with my femsheps.

No, it's your Shep that's not the same and Ashley like any human being will react differently when interacting with male or a female. The differences may be minimal, but may change significantly their interaction and how it proceeds.

and that difference and the reason for it should be adressed.  becasue she does flirt and fall for maleshep.. by default,  you actualy have to turn down her romance rather then trigger it.

[jlb524]

slimgrin wrote...

Why is the gay community here so afraid of a gay character? Why isn't anyone asking for that?

Afraid of gay characters?  

No, some around here just want the same amount of romance options that straight PCs get (i.e., everyone that's an LI) and think it's ridiculous to allow full freedom with these romance except with gender.

I'm not sure why this is difficult for you to understand.  We don't care if we have to *shock* share the LIs with the other gender PC.

Modifié par jlb524, 20 novembre 2011 - 02:25 .

[Chromie]

jlb524 wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Why is the gay community here so afraid of a gay character? Why isn't anyone asking for that?

Afraid of gay characters?  

No, some around here just want the same amount of romance options that straight PCs get (i.e., everyone that's an LI) and think it's ridiculous to allow full freedom with these romance except with gender.

I'm not sure why this is difficult for you to understand.  We don't care if we have to *shock* share the LIs with the other gender PC.

You do know because of the magic Bi button you have that option? Slim is saying why not have characters who are always gay,bi or straight why is that too much to ask for? Is it not better than ruining the character that was created?

[jlb524]

Ringo12 wrote...
You do know because of the magic Bi button you have that option? Slim is saying why not have characters who are always gay,bi or straight why is that too much to ask for? Is it not better than ruining the character that was created?

What magic bi button are you talking about?

Besides DA2, no other game has had all bi LIs.

So, no we don't have that option in any game that isn't DA2.

Well, let me ask you:  is it too much to ask for having characters that aren't total flakes and care about the PCs personality, morality, etc.?   Is it not better than ruining the character that was created?

*as an aside, it's ridiculous to say making characters 'bisexual' ruins them*

[slimgrin]

jlb524 wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...
You do know because of the magic Bi button you have that option? Slim is saying why not have characters who are always gay,bi or straight why is that too much to ask for? Is it not better than ruining the character that was created?

What magic bi button are you talking about?

Besides DA2, no other game has had all bi LIs.

So, no we don't have that option in any game that isn't DA2.

Well, let me ask you:  is it too much to ask for having characters that aren't total flakes and care about the PCs personality, morality, etc.?   Is it not better than ruining the character that was created?

*as an aside, it's ridiculous to say making characters 'bisexual' ruins them*

Look, it's simple. I don't want every romancable character to be Bi. Why do you want this? Why does it make sense from a story perspective? 

[Xilizhra]

Look, it's simple. I don't want every romancable character to be Bi. Why do you want this? Why does it make sense from a story perspective?

Sexual orientation has nothing to do with a story perspective if the story isn't about sexual orientation, which no Bioware game is.

[jlb524]

slimgrin wrote...
Look, it's simple. I don't want every romancable character to be Bi. Why do you want this? Why does it make sense from a story perspective? 

Why does it have to make sense from a story perspective when the other things I keep mentioning like appearance, morality, personality, etc. (and you keep ignoring this point) don't make sense because LIs completely ignore them?

You know why I want this...I've told you probably 4 times already.  If these romances aren't restricted by anthing else but gender I don't see why that shouldn't be removed as well so I can just romance whichever LI I want and fits better with my character w/o the gender check getting in the way.

Modifié par jlb524, 20 novembre 2011 - 02:42 .

[shepskisaac]

jeweledleah wrote...

and that difference and the reason for it should be adressed.  becasue she does flirt and fall for maleshep.. by default,  you actualy have to turn down her romance rather then trigger it.

But this explanation doesn't have take ManShep's universe into account at all. Only what happens in FemShep's universe. Ashley doesn't know that in ManShep's universe she did flirt with with him from the beginning.

[TMA LIVE]

Speaking of all options being Bi, do you mind being treated exactly the same as the opposite sex? I already feel slightly against being treated exactly the same, even on a friendship path. Which is why I prefer slight differences, and why I like how Merrill's romance is slightly different depending on gender.

Though cutting corners might be enough for some people, and I'm no expert, but I don't think a gay man treats another gay man like he would a woman, nor a gay woman treating another gay woman like she was a man. Thus I think there should be slight differences.

Anyways, the only other thing I wouldn't like about "All LI's our Bi" is the nagging of 6 LI's trying to get a piece of me, all because I'm being a nice guy.

And who's Steve and Sam? New crewmembers?

Modifié par TMA LIVE, 20 novembre 2011 - 02:58 .

[Goneaviking]

jeweledleah wrote...

IsaacShep wrote...

jeweledleah wrote...

no, that would be character inconsistency.  because that means Ashley I get with my malesheps is not the same Ashley that I get with my femsheps.

No, it's your Shep that's not the same and Ashley like any human being will react differently when interacting with male or a female. The differences may be minimal, but may change significantly their interaction and how it proceeds.

and that difference and the reason for it should be adressed.  becasue she does flirt and fall for maleshep.. by default,  you actualy have to turn down her romance rather then trigger it.

Perhaps she saw Kaidan flirting with femShep and decided she didn't want to be the homewrecker coming onto someone that already had a relationship? When the two of them were reunited following the fall of Earth the situation had changed considerably, in an end-of-life-as-we-know-it scenario all those rules about respectable behaviour may not seem quite so important.

For my part, I don't see the big deal. People change, so do characters. Perhaps she just wasn't attracted to femShep early on and then saw something that made her interested later on? It's not a big deal, regardless of how objectionable some people may see it.

Modifié par Goneaviking, 20 novembre 2011 - 02:59 .

[Xilizhra]

Speaking of all options being Bi, do you mind being treated exactly the same as the opposite sex? I already feel slightly against being treated exactly the same, even on a friendship path. Which is why I prefer slight differences, and why I like how Merrill's romance is slightly different depending on gender.

If it's appropriate for my gender, I don't mind, though extra acknowledgement is always nice.

[syllogi]

slimgrin wrote...

Look, it's simple. I don't want every romancable character to be Bi. Why do you want this? Why does it make sense from a story perspective? 

And I simply want every romanceable character to be available for romance, no matter what gender I choose to play.  Because I choose LIs based on their personality, not by their pixelated hypothetical sexual reproductive organs.  Why  do you want to restrict my choices?  Why do you think it hurts the story?

[TMA LIVE]

Xilizhra wrote...

Speaking of all options being Bi, do you mind being treated exactly the same as the opposite sex? I already feel slightly against being treated exactly the same, even on a friendship path. Which is why I prefer slight differences, and why I like how Merrill's romance is slightly different depending on gender.

If it's appropriate for my gender, I don't mind, though extra acknowledgement is always nice.

It's just that I like to see differences besides a sex change with the protagonist. I liked that as a female, I got to see another side of a character then as a male. Like with Kaidan, who treats you completely differently for being a chick. Or with Jacob, and learning how you can really get under his skin. Or Thane calling you a nick name.

However, as a straight gamer playing Male-Shep, I'd get creeped out if Thane started calling me "Siha", aka a Goddess, because I was being nice to him. Or Jacob calling me the perfect man.

[jeweledleah]

Goneaviking wrote...

Perhaps she saw Kaidan flirting with femShep and decided she didn't want to be the homewrecker coming onto someone that already had a relationship? When the two of them were reunited following the fall of Earth the situation had changed considerably, in an end-of-life-as-we-know-it scenario all those rules about respectable behaviour may not seem quite so important.

For my part, I don't see the big deal. People change, so do characters. Perhaps she just wasn't attracted to femShep early on and then saw something that made her interested later on? It's not a big deal, regardless of how objectionable some people may see it.

as long as it actualy gets aknowledged by the game and the characters rather then being waved away as alternate universe.  except for the respectable behavior part.  it didn't matter with maleshep, so it doesn't work as an excuse for femshep.

there are already so many inconsistencies to the characters already, its like the last thing I have left to cling to.

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...
Speaking of all options being Bi, do you mind being treated exactly the same as the opposite sex? I already feel slightly against being treated exactly the same, even on a friendship path. Which is why I prefer slight differences, and why I like how Merrill's romance is slightly different depending on gender.

Small differences are reasonable.  They don't have to write two completely different paths for each gender.  They surely don't write multiple paths for different moralities, etc.

TMA LIVE wrote...
Though cutting corners might be enough for some people, and I'm no expert, but I don't think a gay man treats another gay man like he would a woman, nor a gay woman treating another gay woman like she was a man. Thus I think there should be slight differences.

Video game romances don't get detailed enough to even worry about that.  The scant couple of romance dialogs that you do get focus on the characters and things that happened in game and not much else.

TMA LIVE wrote...
Anyways, the only other thing I wouldn't like about "All LI's our Bi" is the nagging of 6 LI's trying to get a piece of me, all because I'm being a nice guy.

I don't think it's as bad as having 3 LIs that you have zero interest in b/c they are dudes trying to get a piece of you while the ones you would potentially be interested in are out of reach.  Anyway, not all LIs pursue the PC.

[slimgrin]

TeenZombie wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Look, it's simple. I don't want every romancable character to be Bi. Why do you want this? Why does it make sense from a story perspective? 

And I simply want every romanceable character to be available for romance, no matter what gender I choose to play.

In real life? Or the game? Big difference.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:12 .

[jlb524]

TMA LIVE wrote...

It's just that I like to see differences besides a sex change with the protagonist. I liked that as a female, I got to see another side of a character then as a male. Like with Kaidan, who treats you completely differently for being a chick. Or with Jacob, and learning how you can really get under his skin. Or Thane calling you a nick name.

However, as a straight gamer playing Male-Shep, I'd get creeped out if Thane started calling me "Siha", aka a Goddess, because I was being nice to him. Or Jacob calling me the perfect man. 

Those comparisons aren't very good because Kaidan, Thane, Jacob weren't LIs for ManShep.  Interactions with those guys are pretty similar between ManShep and FemShep that chooses not to pursue a romance with them.

What you asked is if the romance paths for male and female should differ, not should romance paths differ from non-romance paths.   

jeweledleah wrote...
as long as it actualy gets aknowledged by the game and the characters rather then being waved away as alternate universe.  except for the respectable behavior part.  it didn't matter with maleshep, so it doesn't work as an excuse for femshep.

there are already so many inconsistencies to the characters already, its like the last thing I have left to cling to.

Why do you have issues with 'alt universes'?  

Every Shepard's ME story is an alt universe.  Why do you care about what could possibly happen in someone else's game?

I don't see how your complaints are justified on as long as the characters are consistent within your own universe.

Modifié par jlb524, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:17 .

[wolf99000]

slimgrin wrote...

jlb524 wrote...

Ringo12 wrote...
You do know because of the magic Bi button you have that option? Slim is saying why not have characters who are always gay,bi or straight why is that too much to ask for? Is it not better than ruining the character that was created?

What magic bi button are you talking about?

Besides DA2, no other game has had all bi LIs.

So, no we don't have that option in any game that isn't DA2.

Well, let me ask you:  is it too much to ask for having characters that aren't total flakes and care about the PCs personality, morality, etc.?   Is it not better than ruining the character that was created?

*as an aside, it's ridiculous to say making characters 'bisexual' ruins them*

Look, it's simple. I don't want every romancable character to be Bi. Why do you want this? Why does it make sense from a story perspective? 

the whole point of mass effect is that we make shepard what we want her to be bioware have said about me3 end shepards story the way you want so perhaps the real option bioware should look at is make every li open to any kind of romance

Modifié par wolf99000, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:25 .

[syllogi]

slimgrin wrote...

TeenZombie wrote...

slimgrin wrote...

Look, it's simple. I don't want every romancable character to be Bi. Why do you want this? Why does it make sense from a story perspective? 

And I simply want every romanceable character to be available for romance, no matter what gender I choose to play.

In real life? Or the game? Big difference.

What do you think.  

If you call people in your everyday life "romanceable characters," then perhaps you should get out more often.

[fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb]

This isn't going to end well.

[TMA LIVE]

jlb524 wrote...

I don't think it's as bad as having 3 LIs that you have zero interest in b/c they are dudes trying to get a piece of you while the ones you would potentially be interested in are out of reach.  Anyway, not all LIs pursue the PC.

I get what you mean. There should be more options, and more then one, for a gay player. If you don't like Zev, too bad. If you don't like Leli, too bad. And if you're not given them period, then you're screwed. Unless you hack.

But all of them if there's 7, like ME2? I don't like. Or worse if it's 8. I don't like the concept of the entire ship after Shep. If it's down to 4 per gender, I can believe that, and it's less nagging.

And in some cases, I do think some characters should be exclusive to a gender for story reasons. Like with Morrigan and the child you can have with her. Or becoming Queen with Al.

[slimgrin]

fdgvdddvdfdfbdfb wrote...

This isn't going to end well.

It will because I'm done. No doubt Sian wants me to leave her thread anyway.

Modifié par slimgrin, 20 novembre 2011 - 03:28 .